Rumor: Dreger: Belief that Mason McTavish is going to be traded

[Bobby Ryan Getzlaf]

So there is no reason to percieve a problem, except for the reasons listed. I didn't claim he wanted out, or he hated the state of California, or that he lost his will to play for Anaheim. I said there were rough, or rocky, patches concerning a third overall pick a few seasons ago to where we are now. I can point to a minor spats with other star players and their teams that played a part in them leaving the team, even years earlier.

A few seasons, as in possibly more than two. Core pieces can be moved. Even the extended contract negotiations stretches it to two. I'll concede that before that, I might have remembered hearing "teams are interested in McTavish" or fans here were sure they were going to trade for him in an off season or something. That's no different than, say, Nylander or Pettersson when they held out for longer than the offseason to get their raises.

You should probably go do some research before posting because he just signed his extension 9 months ago. How does that equate to two years? Is math different from where you’re from? And there were no talks of him being traded until Zegras was traded and then the vultures swarmed, stating that Zegras was traded and McTavish negotiations went long and therefore he might be on the block as well. Also, people making trade proposals on HF does not equate to him being available in real life. Any proposals on here before the end of last season were just fans of other teams hoping they could get a young, promising player. (Because that’s what the consensus was at that time).

 

[seanlinden]

Wonder if the Leafs could make something work around Carlo.

Obviously he doesn't have the appeal/cachet/value of the 9th overall pick that Ottawa does, but when you look at what they're potentially losing on the right side (Trouba & Gudas), and what they've got on the left (LaCombe, Mintyukov, Zellweger); and the fact that he's 29; it is a somewhat solid fit.

Not sure what else the Leafs could / would give up to make the add. I suspect the interest in Macelli and/or Robertson is very low. Colorado's 1st rounder might have some upside in that they're not under a time crunch to use it in trade.

Of course St. Louis for Parayko would make a ton of sense as well. Anaheim is probably more desirable than Buffalo.

Maybe Dallas for Robertson?

 

[goach]

I'd love him in Buffalo. I think he's a tank in right situation

 

[Leo2Cutter]

Wonder if the Leafs could make something work around Carlo.

Obviously he doesn't have the appeal/cachet/value of the 9th overall pick that Ottawa does, but when you look at what they're potentially losing on the right side (Trouba & Gudas), and what they've got on the left (LaCombe, Mintyukov, Zellweger); and the fact that he's 29; it is a somewhat solid fit.

Not sure what else the Leafs could / would give up to make the add. I suspect the interest in Macelli and/or Robertson is very low. Colorado's 1st rounder might have some upside in that they're not under a time crunch to use it in trade.

Of course St. Louis for Parayko would make a ton of sense as well. Anaheim is probably more desirable than Buffalo.

Maybe Dallas for Robertson?

Carlo wouldn’t be a starting point at all…. And I’d hope we pass on Parayko idea

 

[The Duck Knight]

Wonder if the Leafs could make something work around Carlo.

Obviously he doesn't have the appeal/cachet/value of the 9th overall pick that Ottawa does, but when you look at what they're potentially losing on the right side (Trouba & Gudas), and what they've got on the left (LaCombe, Mintyukov, Zellweger); and the fact that he's 29; it is a somewhat solid fit.

Not sure what else the Leafs could / would give up to make the add. I suspect the interest in Macelli and/or Robertson is very low. Colorado's 1st rounder might have some upside in that they're not under a time crunch to use it in trade.

Of course St. Louis for Parayko would make a ton of sense as well. Anaheim is probably more desirable than Buffalo.

Maybe Dallas for Robertson?

Carlo might get Zellweger, not McTavish.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Wonder if the Leafs could make something work around Carlo.

Obviously he doesn't have the appeal/cachet/value of the 9th overall pick that Ottawa does, but when you look at what they're potentially losing on the right side (Trouba & Gudas), and what they've got on the left (LaCombe, Mintyukov, Zellweger); and the fact that he's 29; it is a somewhat solid fit.

Not sure what else the Leafs could / would give up to make the add. I suspect the interest in Macelli and/or Robertson is very low. Colorado's 1st rounder might have some upside in that they're not under a time crunch to use it in trade.

Of course St. Louis for Parayko would make a ton of sense as well. Anaheim is probably more desirable than Buffalo.

Maybe Dallas for Robertson?

Carlo is a struggling 3rd pairing defenseman on a 1 year contract before UFA.

He isn't the starting point for McTavish. He's the throw-in piece on top of the main piece.

Carlo + 2027 Colorado 1st isn't enough.

Something like Carlo + Cowan + 2027 COL 1ST is in the ballpark. Maybe that's not quite enough or maybe a bit too much, or maybe just right. But it's close-ish to fair value IMO.

 

[Rec T]

Carlo might get Zellweger, not McTavish.

That's what I was thinking after reading their proposal. Even that might be too much from Anaheim. Zell may not have a huge amount of value to PV at the moment...but apart from being a RHD vet neither should Carlo for reasons that others have said multiple times.

 

[tomd]

Carlo for a 4th would work in a separate deal.

 

[Quack Shot]

What would a 3 team trade with Ducks, Sens, Dallas look like?

Ducks: Get Robertson
Sens: Get McTavish

 

[tomd]

What would a 3 team trade with Ducks, Sens, Dallas look like?

Ducks: Get Robertson
Sens: Get McTavish

I don't think there is any way the Ducks could make the cap work.

 

[Karelia Hurricanes]

What would a 3 team trade with Ducks, Sens, Dallas look like?

Ducks: Get Robertson
Sens: Get McTavish

Stars get: 25th overall, the Ducks first next year, a prospect from the Ducks like Luneau, and Zetterlund maybe?

 

[Bobby Ryan Getzlaf]

What would a 3 team trade with Ducks, Sens, Dallas look like?

Ducks: Get Robertson
Sens: Get McTavish

I don’t think the Ducks can afford him. Isn’t it said that he’s looking for $12 or $14 million?

 

[Icebreakers]

Stars get: 25th overall, the Ducks first next year, a prospect from the Ducks like Luneau, and Zetterlund maybe?

For Jason Robertson? lmao thats an insulting offer. This is a win now team. If they cant extend Robertson hes going for a haul of picks and they are going to turn it into high impact roster players.

 

[Leo2Cutter]

I don't think there is any way the Ducks could make the cap work.

Ya that would be a reckless move right now…

 

[Karelia Hurricanes]

For Jason Robertson? lmao thats an insulting offer. This is a win now team. If they cant extend Robertson hes going for a haul of picks and they are going to turn it into high impact roster players.

Trust me, I'd rather cut the middle man out and deal directly with them. I'd gladly give up the 9th overall, 25th overall, and a roster player for Robertson.

 

[mphmiles]

Honestly I wouldn't see the Ducks having much interest in MacTavish anyway. He's not better than any of the top 3 centers they already have.

 

[mphmiles]

It would never happen, but in a twist of irony I think MacTavish for an extended Drysdale could make a lot of sense for both sides. Anaheim really needs RD help as it doesn't seem like Trouba, Gudas, or Carlson will be back, and Philly has a giant hole down the middle. Both guys with huge pedigrees whose luster has worn off a bit in the last year or two.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I don't think there is any way the Ducks could make the cap work.

I don’t want paycheck Robertson anyways

 

[robbieboy3686]

It would never happen, but in a twist of irony I think MacTavish for an extended Drysdale could make a lot of sense for both sides. Anaheim really needs RD help as it doesn't seem like Trouba, Gudas, or Carlson will be back, and Philly has a giant hole down the middle. Both guys with huge pedigrees whose luster has worn off a bit in the last year or two.

Glassdale, no thanks.

 

[duckpuck]

I think the 9th pick is being over valued here. The 9th pick is not guaranteed to be a difference maker and, even if that turns out to be the case, it is typically 2-3 years before that player makes the NHL. Best case is you get a player like Zegras (who dropped) or a prospect like McQueen. But there's also a decent chance you get a Ladislav Schmid.

McTavish today is useful player/immediate contributor with upside remaining. And he seemingly has a reason to want to stay in Ottawa long term, which is no small thing. As a duck fan, I'd much rather have McT (immediate contributor on on a decent long term deal) than the ninth pick, yet lots of people are suggesting he's not worth even that.

 

[westc2]

Wonder if the Leafs could make something work around Carlo.

Obviously he doesn't have the appeal/cachet/value of the 9th overall pick that Ottawa does, but when you look at what they're potentially losing on the right side (Trouba & Gudas), and what they've got on the left (LaCombe, Mintyukov, Zellweger); and the fact that he's 29; it is a somewhat solid fit.

Not sure what else the Leafs could / would give up to make the add. I suspect the interest in Macelli and/or Robertson is very low. Colorado's 1st rounder might have some upside in that they're not under a time crunch to use it in trade.

Of course St. Louis for Parayko would make a ton of sense as well. Anaheim is probably more desirable than Buffalo.

Maybe Dallas for Robertson?

Parayko's reaasoning for rejecting the trade was that he doesn't want to leave St. Louis, not that he didn't want to go to Buffalo. So it's really up to him if he decides he's ready to move.

 

[quacktastic93]

Minus player. Worst on his team.
40-50 points four seasons in.
Scratched a few times.
16th on the team in TOI.
Got less ice time last season than any season since his rookie year.

I won't pretend I watch Ducks games, but I'll eat my hat if you get a top 10 pick here.

23 year old who missed camp, when we had a whole new coach and system this year, led the team in points I believe last year, also battled some injuries aswell. He had a down year to a degree I will admit, but the picture you are painting is not fair at all IMO. Plus if he is as bad as you and some others want him to be, why would anyone want to trade for him? And why would a team trade him when his value is at its lowest lol.

 

[Kwelve]

23 year old who missed camp, when we had a whole new coach and system this year, led the team in points I believe last year, also battled some injuries aswell. He had a down year to a degree I will admit, but the picture you are painting is not fair at all IMO. Plus if he is as bad as you and some others want him to be, why would anyone want to trade for him? And why would a team trade him when his value is at its lowest lol.

I don't think he's bad and I honestly don't know the player very well. Just based on his stats, I'll be surprised if he nets a top 10 pick though.

 

[seanlinden]

Carlo is a struggling 3rd pairing defenseman on a 1 year contract before UFA.

He isn't the starting point for McTavish. He's the throw-in piece on top of the main piece.

Carlo + 2027 Colorado 1st isn't enough.

Something like Carlo + Cowan + 2027 COL 1ST is in the ballpark. Maybe that's not quite enough or maybe a bit too much, or maybe just right. But it's close-ish to fair value IMO.

Yeah... and McTavish is a struggling 3rd line centre who's not great defensively, losing the job in the middle to Ryan Poehling, and paid $7m....

Obviously, I'm being a little overdramatic, but almost universally in hockey trades, you're hoping to get more out of the player you're acquiring, than he was giving his current team.

As for the suggestion of Cowan, I don't see that happening given the difficulty of trying to find the perfect role to try and develop McTavish... you'd really want/need him to be your 2nd line centre where you have a really good 2-way 3rd line centre. Boston with Zacha and Lindholm strikes me as a great spot for him.

Maybe something like Carlo, Maccelli, and Colorado's first. Again, it lacks the "big name" or truly exciting asset; but it gives them 3 pieces that are very useful, and likely fit very well into their group.

Carlo the big right shot D; not a great puckmover, but Anaheim has a ton of those.

Maccelli a smaller, highly skilled 25 year old playmaking winger - may look really good alongside the young, reasonably big bodies they have in the form of Sennecke, Gauthier, Carlsson, McQueen; especially considering Kreider and Killorn are both 35 a year away from UFA.

1st Round pick is Colorado's next year, so again not exciting like 9OA, but gives the Ducks greater timeline to use it as universally accepted currency.


In the grand scheme of things, it's a lot to give up for a guy that could be a really difficult fit on a lot of teams. Heck, the comparison between Maccelli & McTavish is isolation isn't exactly flattering. They've both played about 300 games in their careers thus far.

McTavish 304 games, 77 goals, 181 pts. Maccelli 295 games, 51 goals, 169 points. If you give Maccelli another 9 games, you're talking about a differential of approximately 7 points over 304 games.

- Maccelli's statline 71 GP, 14 goals, 39 points; -23 rating (4th worst on team). Avg 14:34/game.
- McTavish's statline 75 GP, 17 goals, 41 points, -15 (tied for worst on team)

Maccelli actually outproduced McTavish at even strength (31 points to 30); while playing a little bit less per game, and of course a few less games.

While Mctavish's 24-25 was a lot better than Maccelli's both are kind of "trading" on "this is what I did a couple of years ago".

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Yeah... and McTavish is a struggling 3rd line centre who's not great defensively, losing the job in the middle to Ryan Poehling, and paid $7m....

Obviously, I'm being a little overdramatic, but almost universally in hockey trades, you're hoping to get more out of the player you're acquiring, than he was giving his current team.

As for the suggestion of Cowan, I don't see that happening given the difficulty of trying to find the perfect role to try and develop McTavish... you'd really want/need him to be your 2nd line centre where you have a really good 2-way 3rd line centre. Boston with Zacha and Lindholm strikes me as a great spot for him.

Maybe something like Carlo, Maccelli, and Colorado's first. Again, it lacks the "big name" or truly exciting asset; but it gives them 3 pieces that are very useful, and likely fit very well into their group.

Carlo the big right shot D; not a great puckmover, but Anaheim has a ton of those.

Maccelli a smaller, highly skilled 25 year old playmaking winger - may look really good alongside the young, reasonably big bodies they have in the form of Sennecke, Gauthier, Carlsson, McQueen; especially considering Kreider and Killorn are both 35 a year away from UFA.

1st Round pick is Colorado's next year, so again not exciting like 9OA, but gives the Ducks greater timeline to use it as universally accepted currency.


In the grand scheme of things, it's a lot to give up for a guy that could be a really difficult fit on a lot of teams. Heck, the comparison between Maccelli & McTavish is isolation isn't exactly flattering. They've both played about 300 games in their careers thus far.

- Maccelli's statline 71 GP, 14 goals, 39 points; -23 rating (4th worst on team). Avg 14:34/game.
- McTavish's statline 75 GP, 17 goals, 41 points, -15 (tied for worst on team)

Maccelli actually outproduced McTavish at even strength (31 points to 30); while playing a little bit less per game, and of course a few less games.

While Mctavish's 24-25 was a lot better than Maccelli's both are kind of "trading" on "this is what I did a couple of years ago".

Maccelli isn't nearly as valuable as Cowan though, so I think Ducks say no.

I would suggest replacing Cowan with Ben Danford if you prefer, but that's just another right-handed D prospect that doesn't have top-pairing potential. The Ducks have 3 or 4 of those kids all coming up very very soon and will all need waivers by next summer.