Draisaitls 128 point campaign.

[McFlash97]

Only player in the past 30 years to average 1,6ppg over a full season besides Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr and McDavid. That is what you call elite company.

 

[Coffey]

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But anyone can do that playing with McDavid

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Oilers should be winning Presidents trophies with that kind of firepower. But it ain't happening. Not yet anyway

Winning a Cup too - at least for this year, the East is just way too strong this year IMO

But anyone can do that playing with McDavid

Not anyone can do that with McDavid. Though maybe a Kucherov or upcoming player like Jack Hughes or Connor Bedard could

But thats besides the point. Draisaitl is awesome and I love watching him play - but the criticism that hed not accomplish these same feats away from McDavid is fair and one I think commonly gets deflected as 'anyone can do that' when neither are mutually inclusive

 

[McVespa99]

They beat the sharks. I wouldn’t go bragging about it.

They beat the Avs a couple days before....

 

[PuckG]

EP is definitely turning into an elite 2-way player but you gotta admit, Vancouver media is one of the reasons their fanbase is depressed by season end every year. They spew straight nonsense out of their mouth past December (because theyve usually been eliminated already by then) till the next season starts making their fans believe the team is actually good.

They’re so good at it that even the GM/team believe them as well. And so continues the cycle of mediocrity…

 

[Kerberos]

but the criticism that hed not accomplish these same feats away from McDavid is fair and one I think commonly gets deflected as 'anyone can do that' when neither are mutually inclusive

The problem with these criticisms is I notice they usually come from fans of teams where Marner and Matthews, or MacKinnon and Rantanen etc. play a vast majority of their time together and they refuse to acknowledge, or conveniently ignore, that great players often play with other great players. On its surface, the hypothetical inferences are a lazy argument that often forgo any context whatsoever.

It's a little reductive for some to suggest that a player like Matthews, for instance, would replicate Drai's success on the same team as McDavid when he's a vastly inferior playmaker and PP producer. He could, but it's not the certainty that so many would have others believe. It's also unfair to expect that Drai's production would fall off a cliff on another team when his underlying metrics don't suggest that his success is dependent on McDavid.

 

[dirtydanglez]

lets see what he can do in the playoffs without the flames trying to cut him down at the ankles.

 

[3074326]

He's a PP merchant. Pedestrian at 5 v. 5.

Imagine saying this publicly thinking you have a good point.

Why look this dumb so willingly? It's a f***ing horrendous take. Embarrassing.

 

[Siludin]

Tied with Kucherov for second best season in the 2000s but with more goals so he will be sorted higher

Now just imagine how Kucherov would have done if he played with McDavid!

 

[zenthusiast]

How many ESP did he actually get anyway

 

[dwonger]

Now just imagine how Kucherov would have done if he played with McDavid!

On another line? Much less points. On the same line? Still less. Kuch has much better linemates then both Drai and McDavid.

 

[authentic]

Only on a few designated sports webpages. In the major newspapers it s a small footnote in the sports section.

Scoring is higher now than it was in 2018-19. That alone you could argue Kucherov slightly ahead.

 

[BayStBullies]

We need some sort of forum dedicated to the Oilers.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

but what's his +/-

the only stat that matters

 

[McFlash97]

Now just imagine how Kucherov would have done if he played with McDavid!

Kucherov only played with Hedman, Stamkos, Point, Miller, Palat etc etc.

I can't sense the sarcasm... but I can sense a dumb take !

 

[Muffin]

Imagine saying this publicly thinking you have a good point.

Why look this dumb so willingly? It's a f***ing horrendous take. Embarrassing.

I mean he's not wrong this season, Draisaitl was pretty pedestrian this year 5 on 5, by his standard anyways.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Drai is a good player but scoring is the highest it’s been in 30 years this season.

 

[yukoner88]

Drai is a good player but scoring is the highest it’s been in 30 years this season.

Whether scoring has been up or down.

Draisaitl has been at the top of the pack for a number of seasons.

 

[Skolman]

Can someone explain to me why even strength points are worth more than powerplay points?

 

[CycloneSweep]

I mean he's not wrong this season, Draisaitl was pretty pedestrian this year 5 on 5, by his standard anyways.
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This season he has spent more time on his own line “much worse linemates than normal” and he fought an injury for a good portion of the season.
Still impressive with all that he was 13th in 5v5 points.

 

[MessierII]

Drai is a good player but scoring is the highest it’s been in 30 years this season.

Why doesn’t everyone else just go out and get 128 points then?

 

[Sniper99]

You Leafs fans are just choked because you realize there is no argument left that Matthews is better than Drai

we're not all that bad as the guy you quoted.

 

[El Travo]

Can someone explain to me why even strength points are worth more than powerplay points?

I'd imagine the logic is because most of the game is played 5v5 and it's the harder to put up points that way than on the powerplay. That being said, points are points and there's something to be said about a guy you're scared of any time you take a penalty. Being able to consistently punish players for taking penalties is a luxury that not every team has.

 

[Tillain]

No kidding.

Look at the Oilers fans in this thread as well. Truly some of the most toxic posts you'll find, regularly made by Oilers fans.










So much insecurity, so much toxicity. So many goofs.

Funny. I could say the same about Avs fans in this thread.

 

[KevinRedkey]

He's in the discussion for 2nd best player in the world (after McDavid obviously) IMO.