Confirmed with Link: Draisaitl re-signs 8y 8.5M AAV

Fourier

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No way the cap goes up $5M next season. NHLPA had to invoke the escalator clause for it to go up $2M this season.

Cap is $75M for 2018-19. It might not hit $80M before 2022-23.

Chia will have to earn his money. Lots of little deals every season. Cutting players loose and moving on will become the norm.

Still don't think RNH is an Oiler past the TDL.

The NHLPA has invoked the escalator clause at 5% every year except two. One of those years was this year where they set it at 1.35%. The drop from 5% to 1.35% took about $2.7M off the cap. The $CDN also dropped last year taking about another $250K off the cap. So with a flat dollar and the usual escalator the cap would have been $78M. This year the dollar is up so instead of reducing the cap by $250k the dollar would likely add $1M if it stayed where it is right now.

The new Adidas deal kicks in this year (This adds about $600K). That should be a plus. We also have a new arena in Detroit which should add about $500K.

The amount of escrow will be down a fair bit this year since teams have on average a few million more in cap space than they did last year. So it is reasonable to assume that the NHLPA will go with at least 1.35% again. If they do and the dollar stays wher it is or goes higher a $4.5-6M increase could happen with the top end being quite possible if the Canadian teams have another strong year. .

The wild card is Vegas. We have no idea how they figure into the cap.

If the cap is at $78M or less I'd say the chances of Nuge staying are slim.
 
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Raab

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Actually it was 5 years ago. And his cap hit would have been a lot higher if he could only sign for 8 years instead of 12.

And we couldn't have done a bridge deal if Drai was not willing to sign a bridge deal. Even if we did and he is top 10 in scoring again next season, his new cap hit starts with a $10

No chance man, theres like 4 players in the entire league that make more then 10M. Most likely is he signs for around 9M but we know we actually have one of the best centers in the league behind Mcdavid and get more UFA years out of it.
 

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Actually it was 5 years ago. And his cap hit would have been a lot higher if he could only sign for 8 years instead of 12.

And we couldn't have done a bridge deal if Drai was not willing to sign a bridge deal. Even if we did and he is top 10 in scoring again next season, his new cap hit starts with a $10

I find it funny that people seem to compare everything to Crosby (same with McDavid). Crosby is a very injured player who signed until he is 37. He clearly took advantage of the loophole now closed in the NHL to bring down the cap hit on the later years. If he signed for only 8 years his cap hit would be like 10.5 mill or even more. Given how low the cap was when he signed, that is really pretty high.
 

Raab

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I find it funny that people seem to compare everything to Crosby (same with McDavid). Crosby is a very injured player who signed until he is 37. He clearly took advantage of the loophole now closed in the NHL to bring down the cap hit on the later years. If he signed for only 8 years his cap hit would be like 10.5 mill or even more. Given how low the cap was when he signed, that is really pretty high.

Look at the contracts in the league. We paid top dollar for Drasaitl theres like 10 guys that make 8.5M or more and all of them are pretty much first ballot hall of famers. The two maybes of the group are Subban, and Stamkos. And I'd trade Draisaitl for either.
 

Senor Catface

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this is 100% correct... where the problem lies though, is assuming that drai is on par with the players mentioned above.... eichel, latthews, pasta, and laine are all on a different (higher) tier than drai

Are you talking about Pastrnak? Are you trolling?
 

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Some times I wonder if some of you guys ever actually watch the games. Ive seen more drive and intensity in a season and a half from Draisatl than I ever saw from Eberle and Nuge. I believe Hall had drive too but he could never learn to control his emotions and that hurt the team at times. Draisatl acts and performs like he's always committed to getting better. The other three you're trying to compare him to looked like they got very comfortable with the way things were. I think it's pretty obvious what's different with Draisatl and I don't think he's even remotely close to the risk those guys were.

Oh good, more insulting of other posters' ability to watch a hockey game. Good grief. Eberle and Nuge both slowed down and stopped taking as many risks to create offense, but it was well after they had earned their contracts. Prior to their big contracts, Eberle was known for his ability to get open and find the net almost at will and RNH was coming off of a stellar rookie season where he looked as dynamic as any centre in the league offensively.

Frankly, I question your memory if you seem to think that these players seemed uncommitted at the time they signed their contracts. And I question what games you're watching if you think Draisaitl had no games poor games where he looked gassed, or, dare I say it, overly 'comfortable'.

We signed a damn good young player but we're definitely taking on a lot of risk in the hopes that he blows up even more in coming years. Only on HFBoards is this a controversial statement.
 

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It's not a terrible deal but it's certainly not a good one for the Oilers. The reality is he's not a top ten player but now he's payed like one. Nobody who isn't going to contend for Hart's year in and year out should ever get a top 10 contract for a second deal. Chiarelli is a pretty awful contract negotiator he never gets a value contract, not even when a guy is going onto he's second contract. If you overpay everybody it's going to be tough to compete. I suppose it's why he value's picks so much, because he knows the only value contracts he can get are the ones he doesn't have to negotiate.

Draisaitl will be worth he's deal i'd bet but not immedietly and he didn't have the resume to garner it. I look at two guys in Kopitar and Johansen and i can't understand why he got 8.5. Kopitar is an obvious comparable who got 10.5 last year, reportedly what Draisaitl's camp wanted, and right off the bat it's obvious he's well behind in Kopitar in terms of pay scale. Kopitar has had years and years of production comparable to Draisaitl's year last season, was the #1 center doing it, had less help, won two cups, is obviously better defensively, and most importantly was eligible to become a UFA. It's not even close for Draisaitl to ask for what he got, right off the hop it's clear he's worth 2 million less without considering UFA status, and when you add that in it should have been 1 to .5 less per year.

The you look at Johansen who was 2 years and not 5 from UFA status, had just as good of a playoffs and is a #1 center who's produced around Draisaitl's rate for years. Yet Draisaitl is getting paid more. Why? Factor in UFA status and it's clear he should of been paid a bit less.

At the end of the day the Oilers overpaid Draisaitl by 1 million. Will it cripple them? No. Will Draisaitl probably be worth it? I'd say so. However in a league where RFA control is supposed to get you some cap space and other teams have locked in comparable players for far better market value it hurts the Oilers.

This team has been unable to sign many value contracts beyond ELC's and the one's they have were largely risky propositions. Klefbom was a great signing but i think that was in the works prior to Chiarelli and was certainly a gamble. Larsson is a great deal but the Oilers paid a dear price in Hall to get him. Maroon was a stroke of genius and is great value but he's on his last year. Talbot's a great deal but it was a gamble at the time. Sekera and Russell are certainly not value contracts. Nuge, Lucic, Kassian, Letestu, Strome aren't value deals. Jokinen maybe is but he was a buyout for Florida for a reason and he's also on a 1 year deal. The Oilers also have buyout money for Pouliot, Korpikoski on the books and Fayne in the minors. The team is going to have to make some killer deals for Nurse, Benning, Caggiula, Slepyshev, Brossoit, Strome, and hopefully Brossoit moving forward to have any chance of supplying the core with a quality supporting cast and Chiarelli hasn't proven astute in doing so. He's a good GM and i like he's aggressiveness but man he sure caves in contract negotiations, hopefully that's a trend limited to the teams stars.
 

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Well, he's a 1st line center with or without McDavid. Such players get paid in the cap world. Now it's up to the management to draft well and find cheap serviceable veterans to fill the roster.

I'd say with McDavid, Draisaitl, Lucic, Sekera, Larsson and Klefbom signed long-term, the Oilers should be a perennial playoff team. Whether they win it all depends on the quality of players they are surrounded with.
 

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For this contract to be worth it even next year I'd say we need 70 points (top 15-20 in league) while anchoring his own line, and top-15 2-way center in the league-type play from him.

Basically he needs to be peak Mikko Koivu with slightly better point production while in a 2C role.

Will he do it? Probably not.
 

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For this contract to be worth it even next year I'd say we need 70 points (top 15-20 in league) while anchoring his own line, and top-15 2-way center in the league-type play from him.

Basically he needs to be peak Mikko Koivu with slightly better point production while in a 2C role.

Will he do it? Probably not.

You know what actually needs to do?

1. Show up to camp healthly and in shape
2. Do what the coaches tell him to do
3. See (2)
 

tehbrewtal

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I like it. Got Drai locked up for what will likely be his prime years. Plus, after being an awful team for so long and finally finding success, I don't think trying to lowball the crap out of your star players is a great thing to do. I guess HFOil loved Tambellini's "do nothing because you're afraid of making an expensive mistake" approach to managing that worked out so well.
 

harpoon

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I saw much more fight, determination, skill and ability to improve with him than in the previous set of players that were given long term deals. I'm not as concerned with the risk as I was with some of that group.
Like the deal if you want, its your prerogative, but don't pretend that this board wasn't awash with praise for 'the previous set of players' when those deals were signed too. It was going to be Stanleys for years. Drai probably asked for an extra million based strictly on the way the city and fans treated that 'previous set of players'.
 

VainGretzky

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1 million to much imo . But down the road it might look pretty good just hope Cap keeps rising so we can keep the likes of Puljujarvi and Nurse
 

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I have to...............???

Chiarelli once again demonstrating he's worth **** all when it comes to negotiating the big deals.

This is a bad contract with zero comparables for Draisaitl's camp to argue he's worth this amount. Pisses me off to no end that the GM down the highway dealing with the exact same agent with a player with essentially identical stats was able to lock up their player for under 7 million.

We better hope the cap increases big time over the next couple of years. Once McDavid's deal kicks in we are going to be an absolute world of hurt.

But hey... remember when people were arguing that wasting a year of Draisaitl's ELC didn't matter because we were saving a year on his RFA eligibility? lol

I have to agree.........looking at Chia past history ..........he does have a habit of overpaying for star players.........even in his Boston days.
 

Mr Positive

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I have to agree.........looking at Chia past history ..........he does have a habit of overpaying for star players.........even in his Boston days.

yeah it's funny how Chia has a habit of making his team into a winner, which makes players look good so they can negotiate for more cash. If MacT was GM of the Oilers we would have probably missed the playoffs again, and then we really could have saved some AAV on Drai. Damn you, Chia!
 

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Everyone was *****ing about Klefboms contract too. Drai and McD locked for the next 8 years is awesome, time for Chia to fill in the gaps and bring home some cups.:handclap:
 

PBandJ

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Trying to nickel and dime elite players like Draisaitl sounds like a good way to sour him on the organization.
 

Mr Positive

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Talbot isn't locked in. That's where my worry is.

The biggest reason the McDavid and Draisaitl contracts are okay is the top 4 being so cheap. Too bad about Russell.

We'd only need, what, an extra 3 million to re-sign Talbot? Cap growth will cover that.

For guys like Strome, Nurse, and Benning, we will be low balling them more and going for bridge deals, and that's how it should be. You pay up for top guys, and you play it safe with your depth.

Russell is good value for a 2nd pairing guy. Even if he falls to the 3rd pairing, the Nurse and Benning bridge deals would cover the length of that contract. Our D will be a bargain defense for a long time. By the time Larsson and a young guy like Nurse/Benning need a new deal in 3-4 years, Sekera and Russell are off the books. The cap has been laid out really well by Chia.
 

harpoon

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One of my favourite moments in the playoffs was seeing Draisatl sitting on the bench after the game five loss seething with anger after the rest of the guys head back to the locker room. Then the next game he goes out and gets five points in a blow out win. He's a winner.
Is he going to be a big winner with $75 million in the bank?
Just asking cause, you know, complacency setting in has been a common criticism directed at 'the previous set of players' by members of this board.
Comparing him to the guys who peaked here after two or three years is ridiculous, imo.
Tell me again how many years Drai has been in the league and how confident you are that we haven't already seen 'peak'.
 

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