Proposal: Draisaitl for a cheaper 1 C with a + maybe

[showtime8]

Instead of trying to move Draisaitl, why wouldn't the focus be on getting rid of Nugent-Hopkins?

If the Oilers view Draisaitl as a true 2nd line centre (or playing with McDavid), then you can't think that RNH getting 6mill will work.

I'd be looking for a good #3 and some sort of depth up front.

If I were the Oilers, I'd be trying to hit up Vegas to get Cody Eakin, Merrill & a couple of the million draft picks that they're hoarding.

It opens up just over 2 mill in cap space and still gives you a capable #3 along with some depth on the back end.

Just throwing it out there, but Draisaitl is the type of guy you want long term.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Terribad....

Draisaitl >>> Turris

Sekera > Phaneuf (when taking cap hit into account)

The Futures do next to nothing for Edmonton.

Agreed. There's no 'well the cap hits even out and you lose the best player BUT' deal with Draisaitl. Adding Phaneuf is just gross.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Instead of trying to move Draisaitl, why wouldn't the focus be on getting rid of Nugent-Hopkins?

If the Oilers view Draisaitl as a true 2nd line centre (or playing with McDavid), then you can't think that RNH getting 6mill will work.

I'd be looking for a good #3 and some sort of depth up front.

If I were the Oilers, I'd be trying to hit up Vegas to get Cody Eakin, Merrill & a couple of the million draft picks that they're hoarding.

It opens up just over 2 mill in cap space and still gives you a capable #3 along with some depth on the back end.

Just throwing it out there, but Draisaitl is the type of guy you want long term.

The focus won't be on either one short term. There's absolutely no reason the Oilers should move either one until the McDavid contract kicks in next season.

Even then the Oilers can keep RNH should they choose to. I think he's most likely dealt next offseason as opposed to a losing deal on Draisaitl (for any number of the fabricated reasons listed in this thread)

Eakin and Merrill? What? Eakin was one of the worst players in the NHL this past season when you compare money to on ice performance and Merrill wouldn't make the lineup over Klefbom/Russell/Sekera/Nurse on the left side. Those targets don't make sense.

 

[showtime8]

The focus won't be on either one short term. There's absolutely no reason the Oilers should move either one until the McDavid contract kicks in next season.

Even then the Oilers can keep RNH should they choose to. I think he's most likely dealt next offseason as opposed to a losing deal on Draisaitl (for any number of the fabricated reasons listed in this thread)

Eakin and Merrill? What? Eakin was one of the worst players in the NHL this past season when you compare money to on ice performance and Merrill wouldn't make the lineup over Klefbom/Russell/Sekera/Nurse on the left side. Those targets don't make sense.

Eakin did have a bad year. I'll agree with that. But is that a sign to come or is that an anomaly? Merrill is depth. Add something else then.

All I'm saying is that RNH is the guy that should be moved.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Eakin did have a bad year. I'll agree with that. But is that a sign to come or is that an anomaly? Merrill is depth. Add something else then.

All I'm saying is that RNH is the guy that should be moved.

Eventually, yes.

There was a lot of speculation last year that the Oilers and Wild were discussing RNH for Matt Dumba. That's the kind of deal I'd be interested in, rather than depth.

 

[TFHockey]

Eventually, yes.

There was a lot of speculation last year that the Oilers and Wild were discussing RNH for Matt Dumba. That's the kind of deal I'd be interested in, rather than depth.

Dumba has one more year at 2.55 AAV and then he is RFA. Likely to get a hefty raise. I don't think RNH lands him but I could be wrong. Would be great to land him.

Obviously the Oil can't retain.

 

[Blotto71]

Agreed. There's no 'well the cap hits even out and you lose the best player BUT' deal with Draisaitl. Adding Phaneuf is just gross.

Unless Edmonton is going to take a package of picks and prospects they are unlikely to find a team that would deal for Draisaitl unless the cap hits evened out. And there are some teams who would absolutely insist it even out (if they couldn't somehow come out ahead).

Again, I'm basing my posts on the original poster's comments and the suggestion that this is all based on Draisaitl wanting more than $8 million a season. But I will emphasize again, Edmonton would not "win" any deal involving Draisaitl because he would be the best player in the deal.

Regarding the value of RNH, I don't think there's any way he returns a Dumba without a significant add. Maybe there could be a deal around Draisaitl for Dumba +, but I don't see the + being the 1C the OP was looking for at the start of the thread.

 

[yababy]

Unless Edmonton is going to take a package of picks and prospects they are unlikely to find a team that would deal for Draisaitl unless the cap hits evened out. And there are some teams who would absolutely insist it even out (if they couldn't somehow come out ahead).

Again, I'm basing my posts on the original poster's comments and the suggestion that this is all based on Draisaitl wanting more than $8 million a season. But I will emphasize again, Edmonton would not "win" any deal involving Draisaitl because he would be the best player in the deal.

Regarding the value of RNH, I don't think there's any way he returns a Dumba without a significant add. Maybe there could be a deal around Draisaitl for Dumba +, but I don't see the + being the 1C the OP was looking for at the start of the thread.

Use your head. Oilers just cap dumped Eberle with a lopsided $ deal to N.Y. I. and Draisaitl is many times the player.
Teams would line up to take on a big Drai cap hit and purge lesser pieces.

 

[tempest2i]

Trading nuge doesn't magically make it acceptable to pay Draisaitl 9M a year.

Draisaitl should not be traded. The only reason he is currently unsigned is due to a contract dispute. Let's not pretend that trading nuge is going to get Draisaitl signed or anything thing like that.

 

[Blotto71]

Use your head. Oilers just cap dumped Eberle with a lopsided $ deal to N.Y. I. and Draisaitl is many times the player.
Teams would line up to take on a big Drai cap hit and purge lesser pieces.

So you think Draisaitl could get dealt for a lesser piece? And you're telling me to use my head? Pretty sure any Draisaitl deal would be a completely different animal relative to the Eberle deal.

 

[showtime8]

Trading nuge doesn't magically make it acceptable to pay Draisaitl 9M a year.

Draisaitl should not be traded. The only reason he is currently unsigned is due to a contract dispute. Let's not pretend that trading nuge is going to get Draisaitl signed or anything thing like that.

But in the cap world, it's very hard to have your 3rd line centreman being paid as a high 2nd liner.

That's all I was thinking in regards to moving RNH.

The smart thing would be to keep Draisaitl and move RNH. It doesn't necessarily have to be this year, but definitely by next off-season. Trouble is, you have to pay Draisaitl now.

 

[tempest2i]

But in the cap world, it's very hard to have your 3rd line centreman being paid as a high 2nd liner.

That's all I was thinking in regards to moving RNH.

The smart thing would be to keep Draisaitl and move RNH. It doesn't necessarily have to be this year, but definitely by next off-season. Trouble is, you have to pay Draisaitl now.

There's nothing "trouble" in paying Draisaitl. He's a good player and he will be paid accordingly. His struggles early will keep the number down lower than Leon and his agent would prefer it to be.

But again, to drive this point home: trading Nuge is a stupid idea and won't help with Leon's contract negotiations.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Unless Edmonton is going to take a package of picks and prospects they are unlikely to find a team that would deal for Draisaitl unless the cap hits evened out. And there are some teams who would absolutely insist it even out (if they couldn't somehow come out ahead).

Again, I'm basing my posts on the original poster's comments and the suggestion that this is all based on Draisaitl wanting more than $8 million a season. But I will emphasize again, Edmonton would not "win" any deal involving Draisaitl because he would be the best player in the deal.

Regarding the value of RNH, I don't think there's any way he returns a Dumba without a significant add. Maybe there could be a deal around Draisaitl for Dumba +, but I don't see the + being the 1C the OP was looking for at the start of the thread.

Well that's just too damn bad.

The only - ONLY - reason Edmonton would consider trading Draisaitl is because it's very difficult to win having north of $22 million tied up in two players if Drai's agent plays insane hardball and asks for $9.5 over the long term. Edmonton isn't a charity and isn't going to take Phaneuf's contract back just to make a deal work for Eugene Melnyk.

You want to really talk about what it would take for Ottawa to get Leon? An extended Turris, Chabot, and your 1st this year with no strings or protection whatsoever. Edmonton still gives up the best player, but gets properly compensated for doing so and properly incentivized for doing so.

If Ottawa 'absolutely insisted' on the salaries evening out, then there's no incentive for Edmonton to make a trade. That's kind of the point here, and I'm not sure that you're grasping that Edmonton has absolutely no reason to take Dion Phaneuf off your hands.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Ew, not many want Phaneuf.

I mean this with utmost sincerity, I would not take Dion Phaneuf off of waivers. Not because of the player - he's an adequate #3 at this stage in his career - because his cap hit is absolutely toxic for what he brings.

 

[Mersss]

Eventually, yes.

There was a lot of speculation last year that the Oilers and Wild were discussing RNH for Matt Dumba. That's the kind of deal I'd be interested in, rather than depth.

Let me get this traight

Your Gm set the market trading Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson.

Now you want to trade a worse player in RNH for a betetr D in Dumba? That won't happen. RNH isn't worth that kind of ransom ESPECIALLY considering production and price tag!

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Let me get this traight

Your Gm set the market trading Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson.

Now you want to trade a worse player in RNH for a betetr D in Dumba? That won't happen. RNH isn't worth that kind of ransom ESPECIALLY considering production and price tag!

There might be a planet out there where Matt Dumba is a better hockey player than Adam Larsson but it sure isn't this one.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Let me get this traight

Your Gm set the market trading Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson.

Now you want to trade a worse player in RNH for a betetr D in Dumba? That won't happen. RNH isn't worth that kind of ransom ESPECIALLY considering production and price tag!

1). There is no such thing as a "set" market based on one trade. In that circumstance you had a high end player with question marks about character (I'm not talking Evander Kane level, but a divisive personality no less) going for the equally important, but less shiny shutdown D man. That move was made out of desperation, and we had an over abundance of skilled forwards.

2). Dumba couldn't identify his own zone if you showed it to him on a whiteboard and gave him 3 guesses. Larsson is a year or two away from being Vlassic v2.0. Dumba isn't nearly as effective.

 

[yababy]

Let me get this traight

Your Gm set the market trading Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson.

Now you want to trade a worse player in RNH for a betetr D in Dumba? That won't happen. RNH isn't worth that kind of ransom ESPECIALLY considering production and price tag!

Oilers were the 2nd worse team in the league when the Hall/Larsson trade went down. They're not so desperate now

 

[McSuper]

Let me get this traight

Your Gm set the market trading Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson.

Now you want to trade a worse player in RNH for a betetr D in Dumba

? That won't happen. RNH isn't worth that kind of ransom ESPECIALLY considering production and price tag!

[MOD]

Maybe hire Larsson next of season to teach Dumba where the defensive zone is . Dumba offensive game looks good but you have to be joking about who the better player is . The there RNH vs Hall again Hall is a good offensive player but like Dumba he doesn't know the meaning of defensive . I would rather have RNH 2 way game over Hall .

Funny how the Oilers got bash for posting about offensive forward that had no 2 way game . They trade these players away and we got fans of the same teams trying to sell us on 1 dimension offensive players . Oilers improved by almost 40 points last year with Larsson . I would bet my life on it that Dumb would not of helped us improve that much

 

[Sol]

Again, wouldn't Nuge be the #2C or is he officially a bust?

He's officially a bust.

 

[tempest2i]

He's officially a bust.

He's not a bust by any metric.

 

[TFHockey]

He's officially a bust.

Wow, you have actually no idea about RNH, do you?

If you want to talk about 1OA busts you'd have to talk about Yakupov. RNH is about as far away from that kind of player as you can get.

The only reason to trade Nuge is for some cap relief after McDavid's contract kicks in. He provides a lot of options for the coach and can center the 2nd line if Draisaitl is moved to McDavid's wing. Otherwise RNH plays 3C and PK. The Oilers are really happy with RNH. He does everything they ask of him. They'd rather keep him if possible.

The only drawback is that $6 million contract. Can't blame the player for signing it though. MacT paid for potential, not performance.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

He's officially a bust.

I think you need to check your definition of bust

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2011e.html

For his draft year he is
3rd in games played
4th in goals
1st in assists
2nd in total points

Yeah keep saying he's a bust

Sure he's not the best player from the draft but he is a good player who will be in the league for a long time.

 

[Meanashell11]

I think you need to check your definition of bust

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2011e.html

For his draft year he is
3rd in games played
4th in goals
1st in assists
2nd in total points

Yeah keep saying he's a bust

Sure he's not the best player from the draft but he is a good player who will be in the league for a long time.

Exactly right Lenny. People who call RNH a bust have no clue what they are talking about.

 

[Meanashell11]

There might be a planet out there where Matt Dumba is a better hockey player than Adam Larsson but it sure isn't this one.

QFT!