Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[Aceboogie]

I also do not think its out of the picture for Columbus to trade down or just pass on Puljarvi all together. There has been some rumblings of them passing on Pulj for a center. The odds are probably super slim

Imagine the reaction on HFOil and HF in general if Oilers were to miss the top 3 picks for once, but then still wind up with JP.

 

[Spawn]

I also do not think its out of the picture for Columbus to trade down or just pass on Puljarvi all together. There has been some rumblings of them passing on Pulj for a center. The odds are probably super slim

Imagine the reaction on HFOil and HF in general if Oilers were to miss the top 3 picks for once, but then still wind up with JP.

Where are these rumblings? Or is it just wishful thinking on the part of Oiler fans on the prospects board.
Edit: Found this from Elliotte Friedman

5. Much of the trade speculation around the upcoming draft surrounds Edmonton at number four, but is it possible things really begin with Columbus one pick higher?

The conventional wisdom is the Blue Jackets will go with Jesse Puljujarvi there, as Toronto and Winnipeg are expected to take Auston Matthews and Patrik Laine one-two.

Columbus needs centres as much as anything. If the Jackets believe Puljujarvi can play there long-term, it’s a no-brainer. If not, could they trade down a couple spots, add an asset and still get, say, Logan Brown? Might be something to consider.

Doesn't sound like he thinks they'd pass on him for someone else at 3. They'd just trade down. But also doesn't sound like theres any actual info there, just speculation from Friedman.

 

[NeverForget06]

Where are these rumblings? Or is it just wishful thinking on the part of Oiler fans on the prospects board.

Elliot Friedman mentioned this topic in his "30 thoughts" series that he does on Sportsnet. Here is the quote:

"Much of the trade speculation around the upcoming draft surrounds Edmonton at number four, but is it possible things really begin with Columbus one pick higher?

The conventional wisdom is the Blue Jackets will go with Jesse Puljujarvi there, as Toronto and Winnipeg are expected to take Auston Matthews and Patrik Laine one-two.

Columbus needs centres as much as anything. If the Jackets believe Puljujarvi can play there long-term, it’s a no-brainer. If not, could they trade down a couple spots, add an asset and still get, say, Logan Brown? Might be something to consider."

http://http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-panthers-chart-bold-new-direction/

 

[Aceboogie]

Where are these rumblings? Or is it just wishful thinking on the part of Oiler fans on the prospects board.

Just random stuff on twitter (but some of the guys have a little cred). I know Stauffer just was saying he was reading a credible Columbus blogger hinting at this. Its stuff less "legit" than Subban rumors, or even the rumors Oilers would take Reinhart 1st overall

I dont think its all the far fetched. JP is a really good prospect but Im sure there are question marks about offensive instinct and upside. I dont think hes a slam dunk pick like Laine or Matthews are. I think he has enough question marks where a GM might really like one of the other top 6 prospects to take him over them

I remember in 2012 Grigenko was a top 3 pick and him going outside top 3 was kinda weird to think about and top 5 was a given. Surprising things happen at the draft

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Elliot Friedman mentioned this topic in his "30 thoughts" series that he does on Sportsnet. Here is the quote:

"Much of the trade speculation around the upcoming draft surrounds Edmonton at number four, but is it possible things really begin with Columbus one pick higher?

The conventional wisdom is the Blue Jackets will go with Jesse Puljujarvi there, as Toronto and Winnipeg are expected to take Auston Matthews and Patrik Laine one-two.

Columbus needs centres as much as anything. If the Jackets believe Puljujarvi can play there long-term, it’s a no-brainer. If not, could they trade down a couple spots, add an asset and still get, say, Logan Brown? Might be something to consider."

http://http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-panthers-chart-bold-new-direction/

I would be fine with this, depending on the cost for moving up.

 

[Aceboogie]

Doesn't sound like he thinks they'd pass on him for someone else at 3. They'd just trade down. But also doesn't sound like theres any actual info there, just speculation from Friedman.

At this point its kind of all speculation. I think the risk in trading down is what you can get to trade down and if you risk missing your guy by trading down too far

It all depends on who theyd want. Say they want Dubios (just an example). Would Edmonton really give up that much to trade up? especially considering they might trade down?

Ok move on to Vancouver, are they really willingly to give up a lot? maybe a 2nd round pick? But if CLB does pick up a 2nd, they do so by risking team in 4th takes their guy

Move on to Calgary, they might get 5th, 2nd, 3rd, but they then risk 2 teams above them picking their guy. So on and so forth

Im not sure if the juice is worth the squeeze for them. Well see, who knows. Fun to talk about, probably wont happen

 

[Aceboogie]

Im going to guess if both Columbus and Vancouver like the same guy, Chiarelli will be severly pumping that players tires.

We are now in the silly season of the draft. The players arent playing much anymore. Its going to be all scouting past games where things get over analyzed. If tkachuk dominates the mem cup his stock could take off. I think in this draft especially there will be alot of posturing by GMs in slots 4-8

 

[Pablo Aimar]

Im going to guess if both Columbus and Vancouver like the same guy, Chiarelli will be severly pumping that players tires.

We are now in the silly season of the draft. The players arent playing much anymore. Its going to be all scouting past games where things get over analyzed. If tkachuk dominates the mem cup his stock could take off. I think in this draft especially there will be alot of posturing by GMs in slots 4-8

I am gong to guess that Chiarelli has no ****ing idea who either of those teams likes, unless he is the first human with actual telepathic abilities.

 

[Aceboogie]

I am gong to guess that Chiarelli has no ****ing idea who either of those teams likes, unless he is the first human with actual telepathic abilities.

He sure as hell better know who those teams like. Hes the GM of the Oilers. He should be on the phone as much as he can

If media can get an idea about teams draft boards, the friggen GM better have an idea too

 

[Halibut]

I hate trading down. There are such few good examples in NHL draft history when a team tries down and it works out better for them.

You have to really not be a fan of what's available to move down. Nobody gives up much to move up a few spots.

 

[Faelko]

I wonder how much this poll would change if done again?

What wing is Tkachuk primarily?

 

[Mr Positive]

I also do not think its out of the picture for Columbus to trade down or just pass on Puljarvi all together. There has been some rumblings of them passing on Pulj for a center. The odds are probably super slim

Imagine the reaction on HFOil and HF in general if Oilers were to miss the top 3 picks for once, but then still wind up with JP.

I dont see why the odds would be so slim. Less likely, sure, but not slim. It would not even be top ten in a list of high profile draft slides in years past. It would be tiny compared to the Seth Jones slide

They need centers. Not wingers. It would be worse than when we picked Yak actuslly if they took a winger. It's also hard to compare players in Europe to those in the CHL.

Of course they could also trade the pick. That rarely happens. That would be a slim chance.

 

[MoneyGuy]

He sure as hell better know who those teams like. Hes the GM of the Oilers. He should be on the phone as much as he can

If media can get an idea about teams draft boards, the friggen GM better have an idea too

Do you mean the 95 per cent of media members who are mostly guessing and passing it off as inside knowledge or the 5 per cent who actually have solid intell?

 

[CornKicker]

He sure as hell better know who those teams like. Hes the GM of the Oilers. He should be on the phone as much as he can

If media can get an idea about teams draft boards, the friggen GM better have an idea too

normally id say this is ridiculous no team is giving out intel but this is benning we are talking about you could call him up and pretend you are selling vacumn and get the info out of him

 

[Hockey Nightmare]

Getting the sense they're going for Tkachuk. His ppg combined with his size and gritty style of play is too good to be ignored.

 

[CupofOil]

Not to turn this into a trade proposal thread. But maybe us swapping picks with Vancouver is in the cards. Situation: Vancouver wants Tkachuk, Chiarelli talks up Tkachuk before the draft (as hes been doing), Vancouver makes a push for Tkachuk

The deal

To Vancouver:
4th+ Reinhart (+ pick?)

To Edmonton:
5th + Tanev

The value of difference between top 10 picks is subjective. Some GMs may value a 4th and 7th nearly the same base don estimation of prospects. But one GM might like a highly ranked prospect so much that gap between 4th and 5th is high

That's insane overpayment by the Canucks. Either you're really underrating Tanev, overrating Reinhart or overrating the value gap between the 4th and 5th picks.

In any event, I'm hoping for Tkachuk/Dubois (preferrably Tkachuk as I think he's a perfect fit for McDavid) or trade the pick outright for a high end puckmover. I don't like the idea of trading down for more picks at all, that's a rebuilding type of move and a waste of a valuable asset.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I noticed something about the WHL.

If you're taking an overager, there are two things that can correlate with NHL success:

1. Over 50 goals.

OR

2. At least a PPG for points and PIMs.

1. Dryden Hunt - signed with Florida
2. Jack Walker - draft eligible
3. Chase Witala - signed with Marlies
4. Cole Sanford - eligible to be signed
5. Trevor Cox - eligible to be signed
6. Jon Martin - signed by Sharks
7. Chad Butcher - draft eligible? Not sure.


I think Sanford, Butcher and Cox are too small. Martin/Witala/Hunt are off the market.

Jack Walker anyone? Fulfills all of the criteria and is draft eligible. Anyone watched this kid play?

As for OHL....

1. Dylan Sadowy - Sharks draft pick, currently unsigned
2. Mathew Santos - signed by Grand Rapids
3. Gabe Guertler - unsigned.

Guertler is too small. Sadowy is the prime jewel here if the Sharks let him into the draft.

Jack Walker and Dylan Sadowy - keep your eye on them folks.

 

[Seachd]

He sure as hell better know who those teams like. Hes the GM of the Oilers. He should be on the phone as much as he can

If media can get an idea about teams draft boards, the friggen GM better have an idea too

I'd also agree that Chiarelli has no idea. I don't know why anyone would tell a rival GM the truth.

I'm not sure what you mean about the media getting an idea about teams' draft boards. The media never has a clue, and if they do, they don't tell us (i.e. Bob McKenzie saying right before an off-the-board pick is made that "I think this team likes Player X here").

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

He sure as hell better know who those teams like. Hes the GM of the Oilers. He should be on the phone as much as he can

If media can get an idea about teams draft boards, the friggen GM better have an idea too

The media doesn't really though. They just make educated guesses

 

[snipes]

Anyone making the drive to Red Deer to catch any Memorial Cup action? Maybe get an up close look at Tkachuk live.

Clague for the Brandon Wheat Kings is also worth going to view as a potential pick at #32.

 

[Aceboogie]

That's insane overpayment by the Canucks. Either you're really underrating Tanev, overrating Reinhart or overrating the value gap between the 4th and 5th picks.

In any event, I'm hoping for Tkachuk/Dubois (preferrably Tkachuk as I think he's a perfect fit for McDavid) or trade the pick outright for a high end puckmover. I don't like the idea of trading down for more picks at all, that's a rebuilding type of move and a waste of a valuable asset.

Assumption jimbo really over values one of Tkachuk or pld

 

[Aceboogie]

I'd also agree that Chiarelli has no idea. I don't know why anyone would tell a rival GM the truth.

I'm not sure what you mean about the media getting an idea about teams' draft boards. The media never has a clue, and if they do, they don't tell us (i.e. Bob McKenzie saying right before an off-the-board pick is made that "I think this team likes Player X here").

GMs do have some idea. GMS aren't even the ones who do most of the scouting. It's the scouting department. Scouting departments can get ideas about other teams boards based on discussions. This is why blues scouts had to be so secerative when scouting parayko. And thats just for a 3Rd guy. think it's fairly common for GMs to have some idea.

Draft time is all posturing by GMs to manipulate other GMs. Every time you see a GM either hype the he'll out of a prospect or downplay another it's done with purpose

 

[Leafed]

Remember to vote in the HF Boards Team Board Mock Draft.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2079759

Poll ends tomorrow

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Anyone making the drive to Red Deer to catch any Memorial Cup action? Maybe get an up close look at Tkachuk live.

Clague for the Brandon Wheat Kings is also worth going to view as a potential pick at #32.

I will be scouting the whole tournament and will be able to give feedback and updates to anyone who wants it

 

[Draiskull]

Once this hits 1000 posts I hope the next thread would include Puljujarvi in the poll.
Tkachuk and Dubois seem to have closed the gap between 3 and 5