Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[Zaddy]

If the Oilers pick Brown over Jost, Bean, Sergachev, etc... then they deserve to not make the playoffs for another decade. Brown is overrated because of his size. Shouldn't go before the 12th pick IMO.

Disagree. Brown was overrated because of his size early in the season but the way he finished the year was impressive. I think there's a good case for him to be ranked in the top6.

 

[Raab]

Well it will suck to me to see Calgary or Van acquire one of Chtlychrun or Juolevi. I would say Van would be wanting to acquire a d looking at the offensive young guns in Calgary and Edmonton.

I would not select Chychrun at #4 but the size of him is scary for the future players battling against him.

Yes like I say Dubois would be a great fit in Edmonton. They can ease him on the 3rd line nice today and toss him up on the top 6 the odd time finding chemistry for the future.

I'm more scared of Calgary or Van taking Sergachev to be honest. Good size, good skating, physical, top ohl dman. I think if we pass on him we regret it for a long time.

 

[Raab]

Disagree. Brown was overrated because of his size early in the season but the way he finished the year was impressive. I think there's a good case for him to be ranked in the top6.

I dunno, if him and Jost were the same size who do you think would be rated higher? I'm not saying he's a bad player, just that if he was 6'1 and 190lbs he'd be outside the top 10. I prefer to stay away from players like that and pick the more skilled guy who is an average size.

 

[lakai17]

I thought Button would have Brown in his top 15

Brown can skate for sure. I see him getting picked up in the top 20 definitely, possibly around the 15 range.

 

[belair]

Well it will suck to me to see Calgary or Van acquire one of Chtlychrun or Juolevi. I would say Van would be wanting to acquire a d looking at the offensive young guns in Calgary and Edmonton.

I would not select Chychrun at #4 but the size of him is scary for the future players battling against him.

Yes like I say Dubois would be a great fit in Edmonton. They can ease him on the 3rd line nice today and toss him up on the top 6 the odd time finding chemistry for the future.

Calgary has Giordano and Brodie on the roster long-term, so their need for scoring probably has a major effect on who they are taking.

Vancouver could go either way, but I think with the Sedins getting on in age they'll be taking one of Dubois/Tkachuk if available.

 

[Zaddy]

I dunno, if him and Jost were the same size who do you think would be rated higher? I'm not saying he's a bad player, just that if he was 6'1 and 190lbs he'd be outside the top 10. I prefer to stay away from players like that and pick the more skilled guy who is an average size.

I think Brown has a lot of similarities with Draisaitl and Draisaitl is 6'1 and went 3rd overall so yeah, I do think Brown would still be in the top10 even if he was smaller.

 

[lakai17]

Calgary has Giordano and Brodie on the roster long-term, so their need for scoring probably has a major effect on who they are taking.

Vancouver could go either way, but I think with the Sedins getting on in age they'll be taking one of Dubois/Tkachuk if available.

My speculation is if Chia is drafting Dubois.

Then I see Tkachuk or Chychrun going to Calgary. If not offense then they will go Chychrun or Sergachev. Gio and Brodie great mentors for any d they draft if they go for a d.

Van will take anyone. I could see them going for Juolevi or whatever defence they prefer. Just a toss up on who they flavour.

 

[MinimaMoralia]

My speculation is if Chia is drafting Dubois.

Then I see Tkachuk or Chychrun going to Calgary. If not offense then they will go Chychrun or Sergachev. Gio and Brodie great mentors for any d they draft if they go for a d.

Van will take anyone. I could see them going for Juolevi or whatever defence they prefer. Just a toss up on who they flavour.

I agree with this. Tkachuk makes sense for the Flames, I can see Burke really digging his 'truculence'. He's going to be a pain to play against. Vancouver needs help pretty much everywhere, total toss up which way they go. I still think it's a tragi-comedy they fell so far.

 

[Raab]

I think Brown has a lot of similarities with Draisaitl and Draisaitl is 6'1 and went 3rd overall so yeah, I do think Brown would still be in the top10 even if he was smaller.

I disagree with that assessment. I havent seen the playmaking out of Brown that Draisaitl had. If Brown had Draisaitls "vision" then he'd be a lock for the top 3 and would be the clear cut choice at 4. For me he still needs work on his playmaking and his shot is questionable.

 

[Aceboogie]

I don't know what Bennett has done that makes him worth less then Draisaitl. Bennetts two line mates most of the time we're Brandon Bolling and Josh Jooris. You put him with another guy like Taylor Hall and I think he would have put up more points then Draisaitl this year. Way to early to really call anything from the 2014 draft.

Team need 100% wed be effed if we took Bennett over a big guy like Drasaitl. Drasaitl is everything we need and more. Bennett could eaisly become a great player and even outproduce LD, but the game LD plays is something we desperately, desperatly need

 

[Zaddy]

I disagree with that assessment. I havent seen the playmaking out of Brown that Draisaitl had. If Brown had Draisaitls "vision" then he'd be a lock for the top 3 and would be the clear cut choice at 4. For me he still needs work on his playmaking and his shot is questionable.

Brown is a good playmaker, just not quite as good as Draisaitl. On the other hand he is a much better goalscorer than Draisaitl and no, Browns shot is not questionable at all, he has a lethal shot. The way both use their size to shield the puck is what really makes them look similar. Worth to keep in mind is that the top10 or even top13 of this draft is much stronger than that of 2014. I'm pretty sure Brown would've been a top5 pick in 2014.

 

[Raab]

Team need 100% wed be effed if we took Bennett over a big guy like Drasaitl. Drasaitl is everything we need and more. Bennett could eaisly become a great player and even outproduce LD, but the game LD plays is something we desperately, desperatly need

I don't think we'd be effed. I can't imagine how hard it would be for teams to contain Bennett and Hall or Bennett and Mcdavid on a rush together. Especially if we got a dman who could pass the puck. On top of that Bennett and Mcdavid have been friends forever. I mean a Hall-Bennett-Maroon line wouldn't look that bad IMO. Or even a Bennett-Mcdavid-Kassian/Maroon line. Which would leave us with the Hall-RNH-Eberle top line again.

 

[lakai17]

Brown is a good playmaker, just not quite as good as Draisaitl. On the other hand he is a much better goalscorer than Draisaitl and no, Browns shot is not questionable at all, he has a lethal shot. The way both use their size to shield the puck is what really makes them look similar. Worth to keep in mind is that the top10 or even top13 of this draft is much stronger than that of 2014. I'm pretty sure Brown would've been a top5 pick in 2014.

Really??

Notables outside the top 5 picks in 2014:

Ehlers, Nylander, Larkin, Fabbri

To a lesser extent:

Milano, Pasta, Ritchie, Virtanen, Arvidsson

 

[Zaddy]

Really??

Notables outsude the top 5 picks in 2014:

Ehlers, Nylander, Larkin, Fabbri

To a lesser extent:

Milano, Pasta, Ritchie, Virtanen, Arvidsson

I'm not talking about a re-draft, I'm talking about the draft at the time. Brown would've been in contention for a top4 spot with Bennett, Dal Colle and Fleury most likely. Pretty likely Flames would've liked Brown over Bennett at #4.

 

[Raab]

I'm not talking about a re-draft, I'm talking about the draft at the time. Brown would've been in contention for a top4 spot with Bennett, Dal Colle and Fleury most likely. Pretty likely Flames would've liked Brown over Bennett at #4.

I really don't think he would have. Maybe you've seen him more then me but I see a guy who has poor puck handling, average skating, average shot, half decent one timer, average playmaking. I really don't see more then a 2nd line center at best. IMO Couturier looked much better in his draft year and that would be Browns max upside. He just looks so awkward out there while he's playing.

 

[belair]

I really don't think he would have. Maybe you've seen him more then me but I see a guy who has poor puck handling, average skating, average shot, half decent one timer, average playmaking. I really don't see more then a 2nd line center at best. IMO Couturier looked much better in his draft year and that would be Browns max upside. He just looks so awkward out there while he's playing.

To be fair, he was a 6'6' 220lb 17 year old. If you told me that and used the word 'awkward' to describe him, I'd hardly be shocked. But if you told me that 'awkward' 17-year old scored 74 points in 59 games in a league filled with guys two and three years older than him, I'd be a bit more surprised.

 

[Raab]

To be fair, he was a 6'6' 220lb 17 year old. If you told me that and used the word 'awkward' to describe him, I'd hardly be shocked. But if you told me that 'awkward' 17-year old scored 74 points in 59 games in a league filled with guys two and three years older than him, I'd be a bit more surprised.

I'll tell you this, I'm a hell of a lot more impressed by Sergachev then Brown from what I've seen of Windsor. No way Brown should go before Sergachev.

 

[belair]

I'll tell you this, I'm a hell of a lot more impressed by Sergachev then Brown from what I've seen of Windsor. No way Brown should go before Sergachev.

Well a big part of Logan Brown's stock rising isn't about what he's done, it's about what he could do. Sergachev is a good LHD prospect with a good set of tools. Brown is a giant at 17 and has shown good offense. 6'6 centers in the NHL are few and far between and the ones that can actually produce are even fewer.

 

[lakai17]

Dubois interesting stats this season:

Scored 80 points in the 36 games his team won.

Scored just 19 points in 26 losses.

When he is on he is on.

 

[lakai17]

I'll tell you this, I'm a hell of a lot more impressed by Sergachev then Brown from what I've seen of Windsor. No way Brown should go before Sergachev.

I notice you are high on Sergachev for valid reasons I will not argue. I will be satisfied with Juolevi, Sergachev or Dubois definitely.

I am just wanting to know your opinion on Dante Fabbro? I am very high on Fabbro myself where I would gamble on him as early as around the #10 selection.

Well I am curious also on other hfoil posters opinion on him.

 

[McDoused]

Well a big part of Logan Brown's stock rising isn't about what he's done, it's about what he could do. Sergachev is a good LHD prospect with a good set of tools. Brown is a giant at 17 and has shown good offense. 6'6 centers in the NHL are few and far between and the ones that can actually produce are even fewer.

Yup it's all about potential. It's amazing how many people sour on prospects because they want them to be a more finished prospect as opposed to what they could develop into.

 

[Raab]

Well a big part of Logan Brown's stock rising isn't about what he's done, it's about what he could do. Sergachev is a good LHD prospect with a good set of tools. Brown is a giant at 17 and has shown good offense. 6'6 centers in the NHL are few and far between and the ones that can actually produce are even fewer.

Thats the problem. He's a huge Gamble. And its not like he's Ryan Getzlaf who was a very skilled puck handler even with the big body who needed to work on his skating a bit. He's a guy who has average puck handling skills at the junior level, and is just about average everywhere else. To me he projects to be a 3rd liner. Sean Couturier with less offence is what I see. On the other side of the argument you have Sergachev that has everything you'd want in a franchise dman. Passing on Sergachev for Brown would be like the Coyotes trading OEL to resign Hanzal. It's just dumb and if the Oilers do it they deserve to miss the playoffs for another decade.

 

[Zaddy]

I'll tell you this, I'm a hell of a lot more impressed by Sergachev then Brown from what I've seen of Windsor. No way Brown should go before Sergachev.

Is this based off the early-mid portion of the season or the end of the year? Because the Brown from early on and late in the year + U18's was a completely different player. I didn't see the hype with him at all either in my early viewings of Windsor and subsequently had him ranked somewhere in my 20's. He has improved leaps and bounds since then and looks way more comfortable with his body now than before and has started to use it to his advantage, playing what I would call "authoriative" hockey.

 

[Halibut]

Dubois interesting stats this season:

Scored 80 points in the 36 games his team won.

Scored just 19 points in 26 losses.

When he is on he is on.

Or he racks up points against weak competition. Two ways to look at that stat.

 

[Raab]

I notice you are high on Sergachev for valid reasons I will not argue. I will be satisfied with Juolevi, Sergachev or Dubois definitely.

I am just wanting to know your opinion on Dante Fabbro? I am very high on Fabbro myself where I would gamble on him as early as around the #10 selection.

Well I am curious also on other hfoil posters opinion on him.

I could see Fabbro going as high as 13th. I think there are 12 guys in front of him that I like better. For me the debate should be between Brown, Macleod, Fabbro at that 13th spot. Keep in mind I haven't seen much of Bellows, Rubtsov, or Tufte. His team mate Jost I'm really high on. Reminds me a lot of RNH, if you could take him at 8th or lower he'll probably end up the steal of the draft.