Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I don't think selecting one of the three is the big issue though. Choosing one of the three over the consensus #4 pick is essentially diminishing the value of that asset. If we can trade down with a team who has Dubois/Tkatchuk as their #4, I think that's course of action. If they're in the #7-10 range, even better.

The worst possible thing that could happen is...

EDM Joulevi/Sergachev/Chychrun
VAN Dubois
CGY Tkachuk

Making the trade...

??? Dubois
VAN Tkachuk
CGY ???

EDM Juolevi/Sergachev/Chychrun + an asset

The more I'm hearing and the more I think about it, I'm convinced we'll be trading down to get one of those defenders if the option to do so is there. The organization is just so thin at all positions, but atleast we have a pair of young stud forwards in Draisaitl and McDavid, but no stud young defenders. We have Nurse, but if he tops out as a second pairing player, then what?

 

[Staghorn]

Because that's worked so well so far?

Trade the pick (including trading down) or pick the best d-man.

Does anyone think there will be a big or lucrative market for trading down? I would trade down to 8-12 because one of the top 3 DMen should still be there.... But what asset would make it worth it? or what kind of DMan do you get for the 4th straight up?

I just like the idea of a gritty Tkatchuk skating alongside McDavid for years to come. Solid asset that may not be worth the downgrade and + you get... I think there is a VERY high likelihood that Tkatchuk plays in the NHL long term. Too much going for him to wash out now. The other options or DMen? not so sure what you get there.

 

[McOvechking]

Does anyone think there will be a big or lucrative market for trading down? I would trade down to 8-12 because one of the top 3 DMen should still be there.... But what asset would make it worth it? or what kind of DMan do you get for the 4th straight up?

I just like the idea of a gritty Tkatchuk skating alongside McDavid for years to come. Solid asset that may not be worth the downgrade and + you get... I think there is a VERY high likelihood that Tkatchuk plays in the NHL long term. Too much going for him to wash out now. The other options or DMen? not so sure what you get there.

I've discussed this in the trade rumours thread, but I think there is a chance 4th + Eberle get traded for Barrie + 10th, which fits exactly what you're talking about here. Acquire a top pairing offensive RHD and still walk away with a top 10 pick in a deep draft.

Edit: Am I naive in thinking there really isn't much difference between 10th and 4th in this draft?

 

[rosemount289]

Why is everyone ...............???

I've discussed this in the trade rumours thread, but I think there is a chance 4th + Eberle get traded for Barrie + 10th, which fits exactly what you're talking about here. Acquire a top pairing offensive RHD and still walk away with a top 10 pick in a deep draft.

Edit: Am I naive in thinking there really isn't much difference between 10th and 4th in this draft?

Why is everyone underrating Eberle?.........He could have been a thirty goal scorer if not for the fact that he missed thirteen games due to injury.

Eberle straight up for Barrie might be an overpayment............remember Eberle has scored 34 goals before without number 97 as his center. Plus he is a right handed shot.

 

[McDNicks17]

Why is everyone underrating Eberle?.........He could have been a thirty goal scorer if not for the fact that he missed thirteen games due to injury.

Eberle straight up for Barrie might be an overpayment............remember Eberle has scored 34 goals before without number 97 as his center. Plus he is a right handed shot.

Barrie has close to the same points as Eberle over the past two seasons.

Eberle for Barrie would be far from an overpayment.

 

[jeg]

Barrie has close to the same points as Eberle over the past two seasons.

Eberle for Barrie would be far from an overpayment.

Wouldn't be an over payment at all but I feel our right side needs Eberle. Barrie hopefully could be had for other pieces

 

[Draiskull]

The more I'm hearing and the more I think about it, I'm convinced we'll be trading down to get one of those defenders if the option to do so is there. The organization is just so thin at all positions, but atleast we have a pair of young stud forwards in Draisaitl and McDavid, but no stud young defenders. We have Nurse, but if he tops out as a second pairing player, then what?

Then we just keep playing the 2 LHDs we have signed long term. Klefbom & Sekera.

Klefbom\Sekera\Nurse\Davidson ... we should be fine on the left side.

You only pick one of the 3 Ds if you feel they are BPA ..That position is not a need.

 

[Aceboogie]

I just hope Edmonton kills it at the draft because the next 2 teams are rivals. Imagine if we had picked Bennett in 2014 and let Draisaitl slip to Calgary *shudders*

Or if Calgary had let Monahan slip

In a draft like this, a good pick is worth double and a miss pick is double the loss. Actually triple in this situation

 

[jeg]

I just hope Edmonton kills it at the draft because the next 2 teams are rivals. Imagine if we had picked Bennett in 2014 and let Draisaitl slip to Calgary *shudders*

Or if Calgary had let Monahan slip

In a draft like this, a good pick is worth double and a miss pick is double the loss. Actually triple in this situation

I would be very surprised if Edmonton makes the pick to be honest. Well move down almost surly.

 

[Raab]

I just hope Edmonton kills it at the draft because the next 2 teams are rivals. Imagine if we had picked Bennett in 2014 and let Draisaitl slip to Calgary *shudders*

Or if Calgary had let Monahan slip

In a draft like this, a good pick is worth double and a miss pick is double the loss. Actually triple in this situation

I don't know what Bennett has done that makes him worth less then Draisaitl. Bennetts two line mates most of the time we're Brandon Bolling and Josh Jooris. You put him with another guy like Taylor Hall and I think he would have put up more points then Draisaitl this year. Way to early to really call anything from the 2014 draft.

 

[lakai17]

I just hope Edmonton kills it at the draft because the next 2 teams are rivals. Imagine if we had picked Bennett in 2014 and let Draisaitl slip to Calgary *shudders*

Or if Calgary had let Monahan slip

In a draft like this, a good pick is worth double and a miss pick is double the loss. Actually triple in this situation

It will suck to see Chychrun go to Van or Calgary.

 

[Draiskull]

It will suck to see Chychrun go to Van or Calgary.

but it will mean Dubois\Tkachuk\Nylander are not going to Van or Cgy...
Easier to digest a D prospect going to a rival unless he turns into a Doughty

 

[McDoused]

If we trade down to 10 their is no guarantee that one of the three dmen will be there. It could go:

4. Dubois/Tkachuk
5. Dubois/Tkachuk
6. Nylander
7. Chychrun
8. Juolevi
9. Sergachev
10. Brown/Jost/Fabbro/Bean/etc

 

[Halibut]

but it will mean Dubois\Tkachuk\Nylander are not going to Van or Cgy...
Easier to digest a D prospect going to a rival unless he turns into a Doughty

..or a Karlsson. I dont get all the worry about forward prospects. So what? The Canucks and Flames sucked almost as much so they're getting a good prospect just like us. Whoever they pick is likely to improve their team, Calgary probably needs the forward more than a defender but even so that doesnt mean we should make a pick just to keep it away from them. We make the pick that makes our team the best.

 

[Draiskull]

If we trade down to 10 their is no guarantee that one of the three dmen will be there. It could go:

4. Dubois/Tkachuk
5. Dubois/Tkachuk
6. Nylander
7. Chychrun
8. Juolevi
9. Sergachev
10. Brown/Jost/Fabbro/Bean/etc

Yeh I think IF Chia trades down to picks 8-14 it would be to draft Logan Brown. Dont think he is into any of the top D prospects.

..or a Karlsson. I dont get all the worry about forward prospects. So what? The Canucks and Flames sucked almost as much so they're getting a good prospect just like us. Whoever they pick is likely to improve their team, Calgary probably needs the forward more than a defender but even so that doesnt mean we should make a pick just to keep it away from them. We make the pick that makes our team the best.

Yeh that is what I was trying to say as well. It doesnt matter who CGY to VAN pick as long as we pick someone good. Who cares if Chychrun or player Y goes to one of those cities it just means player X ranked just as high didnt go to them.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

If we trade down to 10 their is no guarantee that one of the three dmen will be there. It could go:

4. Dubois/Tkachuk
5. Dubois/Tkachuk
6. Nylander
7. Chychrun
8. Juolevi
9. Sergachev
10. Brown/Jost/Fabbro/Bean/etc

Canucks fan here,hope ya dont mind me saying,your best bet would be Arizona,they hold picks 7-20,if your trading down.Swing a deal with the Yoates.

 

[Raab]

If we trade down to 10 their is no guarantee that one of the three dmen will be there. It could go:

4. Dubois/Tkachuk
5. Dubois/Tkachuk
6. Nylander
7. Chychrun
8. Juolevi
9. Sergachev
10. Brown/Jost/Fabbro/Bean/etc

Then you take Bean or Jost. I think both are the same level as Chyrchun, Juolevi, Nylander, etc.. I think Sergachev is above Chychrun based what I've seen and it's be a difficult decision between him and Tkachuk at 4.

 

[Raab]

Yeh I think IF Chia trades down to picks 8-14 it would be to draft Logan Brown. Dont think he is into any of the top D prospects.


Yeh that is what I was trying to say as well. It doesnt matter who CGY to VAN pick as long as we pick someone good. Who cares if Chychrun or player Y goes to one of those cities it just means player X ranked just as high didnt go to them.

If the Oilers pick Brown over Jost, Bean, Sergachev, etc... then they deserve to not make the playoffs for another decade. Brown is overrated because of his size. Shouldn't go before the 12th pick IMO.

 

[Seachd]

I would be very surprised if Edmonton makes the pick to be honest. Well move down almost surly.

I think it will be the opposite.

 

[40oz]

Then you take Bean or Jost. I think both are the same level as Chyrchun, Juolevi, Nylander, etc.. I think Sergachev is above Chychrun based what I've seen and it's be a difficult decision between him and Tkachuk at 4.

Fabbro looked really good along Chuchrun at the u18's too, I'd be happy with most of the many options at 10.

 

[jeg]

Canucks fan here,hope ya dont mind me saying,your best bet would be Arizona,they hold picks 7-20,if your trading down.Swing a deal with the Yoates.

If we trade down this is a scenerio i like. 7th pick gets us our D Prospect/or a sliding forward. Then we can use 20th as a trade chip for D help, pick it for prospect depth or add a pick and move up, lots of flexability

 

[belair]

It will suck to see Chychrun go to Van or Calgary.

It would suck even more to see both of the power-forwards go to Calgary and Vancouver though. And with the needs of both teams leaning towards their offense, I'd be even more worried about affording them the opportunity.

Yeh I think IF Chia trades down to picks 8-14 it would be to draft Logan Brown. Dont think he is into any of the top D prospects.

With him mentioning him outright, I'm thinking he's pretty high on their lists.

but it will mean Dubois\Tkachuk\Nylander are not going to Van or Cgy...
Easier to digest a D prospect going to a rival unless he turns into a Doughty

I wouldn't worry too much about Nylander. He's one of the guys I could see falling out of the top 10. But the other two are in the 'your team doesn't want to play against us' variety of forwards.

 

[Draiskull]

It would suck even more to see both of the power-forwards go to Calgary and Vancouver though. And with the needs of both teams leaning towards their offense, I'd be even more worried about affording them the opportunity.



With him mentioning him outright, I'm thinking he's pretty high on their lists.

Brown or The Chyc?

 

[belair]

Brown or The Chyc?

Brown.

 

[lakai17]

but it will mean Dubois\Tkachuk\Nylander are not going to Van or Cgy...
Easier to digest a D prospect going to a rival unless he turns into a Doughty

Well it will suck to me to see Calgary or Van acquire one of Chtlychrun or Juolevi. I would say Van would be wanting to acquire a d looking at the offensive young guns in Calgary and Edmonton.

I would not select Chychrun at #4 but the size of him is scary for the future players battling against him.

Yes like I say Dubois would be a great fit in Edmonton. They can ease him on the 3rd line nice today and toss him up on the top 6 the odd time finding chemistry for the future.