Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Thanks. I realize that. I don't think the value is there for the Oilers to trade down, there is that clearer?

In other words: what would a team give the Oilers to move up 6 spots in this draft? A second? Maybe if they're really desperate, but I doubt it.



And saying that the #4 is like a #1 pick from 2011 - come on man, people say that every single draft.

Every year without fail "next year's draft doesn't look too deep, few top prospects but levels off after that......this draft is actually looking pretty solid........I'm really excited about this draft, some of these players would be #1 in any year not named McDavid, but next year's draft doesn't look too deep, few top prospects but levels off after that".

I don't care what people have said about the past.

The numbers in the 4-12 group this year are quite similar to those in the 1-9 group in 2011, as are the potential of the prospects.

They were weak draft years, so is it a stretch to say 1-9 of a weak year matches 4-12 of a strong year that has 3 elite players at the top?

 

[lakai17]

Dubois will be sick in the top 6.

I am already excited for him to replace Yakupov.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Dubois will be sick in the top 6.

I am already excited for him to replace Yakupov.

Between the high chances of us moving the pick and Chiarelli name dropping many prospects but rarely Dubois, I'm almost certain he won't be an Oiler.

Which is too bad. If we're going to pick high, he's who I want. We've never really drafted a forward high with his physicality.

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

Between the high chances of us moving the pick and Chiarelli name dropping many prospects but rarely Dubois, I'm almost certain he won't be an Oiler.

Which is too bad. If we're going to pick high, he's who I want. We've never really drafted a forward high with his physicality.

From the highlights that I've seen, he doesn't appear to be a very physical player. I don't see the mean streak that some people say he has.

 

[nexttothemoon]

From the highlights that I've seen, he doesn't appear to be a very physical player. I don't see the mean streak that some people say he has.

I actually think Dubois is getting overrated somewhat... but he certainly is an "abrasive" player. PIM aren't everything but he leads all the top prospects in penalty minutes so he's certainly doing something physical/agitating/abrasive out there.

 

[Hemsky4PM]

The more I think about it, the more likely I think it is that Chia retains the pick and takes Dubois or Tkachuk. He's probably moving Yak and Ebs. Why not use the pick to plug that hole? I'm fine with signing someone to a 1 or 2 year deal as a stop gap measure on RW if Ebs and Yak are shipped out.

 

[Zaddy]

New highlight video of Dubois. Some good quotes in there from scouts but also from his coach about what type of guy he is on and off the ice. Very interesting stuff.

 

[Sempiternal]

I think it depends on what Chia has cooking in the trade department for RNH on who the Oilers draft or do with the pick.

 

[Soundwave]

New highlight video of Dubois. Some good quotes in there from scouts but also from his coach about what type of guy he is on and off the ice. Very interesting stuff.

He looks every bit as impressive as the two Finns to be honest. Really good hands for a guy that big, hard release on his shot, and surprisingly good playmaking ability too.

I dunno man. Chia you got some work to do here.

Coach mentions he'd still be in the gym even after 3 games in 4 nights when the rest of his teammates had gone home. Impressive.

At the rate he's growing (gained 20 pounds last summer) ... physically it sounds like he's ready for the NHL by next September.

 

[Zaddy]

He looks every bit as impressive as the two Finns to be honest. Really good hands for a guy that big, hard release on his shot, and surprisingly good playmaking ability too.

I dunno man. Chia you got some work to do here.

Coach mentions he'd still be in the gym even after 3 games in 4 nights when the rest of his teammates had gone home. Impressive.

At the rate he's growing (gained 20 pounds last summer) ... physically it sounds like he's ready for the NHL by next September.

Yep. Definitely think he'll be physically ready for the NHL next year. Don't know if it's the best place for him to develop though. I'm pretty sure he could do a good job on a 3rd line but you don't want to stifle his offense. Think it depends a lot on how he looks in camp and he's probably gonna get a couple of games in at the NHL level regardless of which team selects him before potentially sending him down, but yeah, with his work ethic and the tremendous progress he has shown the last 12 months I wouldn't rule anything out.

EliteProspects just added a very lengthy scouting report on him on his profile. It's probably the longest scouting report I've seen on their site

So for people who hasn't watched him this is what he does and the qualities he brings to the table:

A phenominal two-way power forward that thrives under pressure. He brings versatility, being able to play as a center or a winger, as well as elite skill and agility. His athleticism is exemplified in his strong skating that allows him to backcheck hard, explode up the ice in-transition, or propel himself up into hits that opponents won't soon forget. His defensive zone play is excellent; he proactively finds and takes away shooting and passing lanes, and makes it tough on opponents to pinpoint any daylight. When he is on the ice, he is uncontainable and leads the forecheck; he creates the time and space for himself to be creative with the puck and finds a way to get it to the back of the net. He makes the players around him better, serving as an example of what hard work and skill can and will be able to produce. A similarly punishing two-way forward with size and zero deficiencies, Anze Kopitar, is the type of player Dubois will aspire to become at the next level. Pierre-Luc Dubois has the potential to develop into an elite two-way forward that excels as a positive catalyst in every facet of the roles he can play, be it the dynamic scorer, the set-up man, the intimidating power forward, or the defensive-minded shutdown guy. He is the type of player nobody likes to play against. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016)

 

[Spawn]

Yep. Definitely think he'll be physically ready for the NHL next year. Don't know if it's the best place for him to develop though. I'm pretty sure he could do a good job on a 3rd line but you don't want to stifle his offense. Think it depends a lot on how he looks in camp and he's probably gonna get a couple of games in at the NHL level regardless of which team selects him before potentially sending him down, but yeah, with his work ethic and the tremendous progress he has shown the last 12 months I wouldn't rule anything out.

EliteProspects just added a very lengthy scouting report on him on his profile. It's probably the longest scouting report I've seen on their site

So for people who hasn't watched him this is what he does and the qualities he brings to the table:

It's tough to take scouting reports like that without a grain of salt though. The report makes him out to be the perfect unstoppable player with not a single flaw in his game. Seriously, the way it's written you'd think he'd be the next Eric Lindros.

 

[nexttothemoon]

I agree... If some team is totally enamored with a player at #4... the Oilers could/should take advantage of that by trading down or trading it outright for a good dman.

Boston, Carolina and Arizona all have 2 1sts... trading down with them is a possibility... or if a team thinks someone left at #4 is a franchise type player... trade the pick away because there are a lot of other closely rated prospects once you are past the top 2/3 in this draft.

 

[Zaddy]

It's tough to take scouting reports like that without a grain of salt though. The report makes him out to be the perfect unstoppable player with not a single flaw in his game. Seriously, the way it's written you'd think he'd be the next Eric Lindros.

I know, a couple of them are like that, a bit over the top. Even so I think it pretty clearly illustrates what his game is about. You also have to keep in mind that this scouting report is pretty accurate of the junior player Dubois, playing in a league where he is dominant. The scouting report on Dubois the NHLer will most likely be different in some ways, as he isn't likely to be dominant in all areas of the game like he is in juniors.

 

[nexttothemoon]

If the Oilers have to give up their 2nd in 2016/2017 for the Chiarelli signing (I assume they still have to)... which do you give up?

It's probably obvious to give up the 2017 2nd round pick as this year it will be #32 and hopefully next year it will be much later... say #60 if all goes particularly well.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

I'm now officially of the position that there are only 2 options with this pick.

1) Trade it for a top pair dman

2) If that isn't possible, take BPA in Dubois. He will be a good fit in the west. If we let him develop for a year, we will get 2 cheap years out of him under mcdavids new contract

 

[Aceboogie]

New highlight video of Dubois. Some good quotes in there from scouts but also from his coach about what type of guy he is on and off the ice. Very interesting stuff.

Honestly if Dubios was in 2010, 2011, 2012,2015 draft hed be in contention for #1 (if not #1 outright). Point totals are right on par with the top 3 picks and his defensive game and size would give him a huge boost

 

[Mr Sakich]

Du Bois is exactly the kind of guy Chia is looking for. He his a skilled heavy guy who plays with a mean spirit. We have nobody in our system like him

I am pretty excited about him but I truly believe the BJ's are taking him at 3

 

[Aceboogie]

Du Bois is exactly the kind of guy Chia is looking for. He his a skilled heavy guy who plays with a mean spirit. We have nobody in our system like him

I am pretty excited about him but I truly believe the BJ's are taking him at 3

4 is a pretty good spot to be in. Dubios is great but the Finns are truely elite level prospects. If one fell to us thatd be awesome

Hey maybe we deal the pick to Columbus for Jones. Columbus can have their Finn AND Dubios

 

[Seachd]

Du Bois is exactly the kind of guy Chia is looking for. He his a skilled heavy guy who plays with a mean spirit. We have nobody in our system like him

I am pretty excited about him but I truly believe the BJ's are taking him at 3

I think there'a very small chance Columbus passes on Puljujarvi, but I agree that if they do, Dubois is their guy.

If that happens, the Oilers need to take Puljujarvi regardless of position, or see if someone is very desperate that he's fallen.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Du Bois is exactly the kind of guy Chia is looking for. He his a skilled heavy guy who plays with a mean spirit. We have nobody in our system like him

I am pretty excited about him but I truly believe the BJ's are taking him at 3

If thats the case and we get an NHL ready Puljujarvi, I'll take it.

 

[Aceboogie]

I think there'a very small chance Columbus passes on Puljujarvi, but I agree that if they do, Dubois is their guy.

If that happens, the Oilers need to take Puljujarvi regardless of position, or see if someone is very desperate that he's fallen.

Crazier things have happened and it only takes 1 GM for whatever reason to not like a player

Chances are slim to none but still there. But would be so lucky if he did drop. The value of our 4th would instantly shoot up (or we get a great player)

 

[Hopelesslucicfan]

I'd like to see the 4th pick kept, and we pick dubois, unless it can be traded in a package for a young established top pairing Dman in the mold of Petro or OEL.

If the targets are guys like barrie, hamonic, vatenen, demers, etc. We should be able to make that happen while keeping the pick, as I dont think a single one of them alone is worth the 4th.

We have zero forward prospect depth right now, and could really use a guy like dubois to give us an option in a couple years when Mcdavid and Drai are getting re signed and we have to get some cheaper players.

If we could somehow land one of hamonic, vatanen, or barrie for some combination of Eberle, Yak, Pouliot (Just because he was already rumored), potentially RNH, and any of next years picks, and then sign Demers, we'd be set and could still pick dubois.

That being said, I won't be upset if the pick is traded for immediate help, even if it's not a #1 Dman, because I'd love to see this team start winning now, I just think with a guy like dubois playing in JR/AHL for a couple of years, you can realistically lose a pretty good player due to mcdavid and drai's raises, and then instantly be able to fill that hole.

just imo.

 

[Aceboogie]

I hope the scenerio is not like the Doan situation back in the day. Every Oiler fan is screaming Doan and we pick Kelly. I hope that doesnt happen this year with Dubios and Tkachuk

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

I hope the scenerio is not like the Doan situation back in the day. Every Oiler fan is screaming Doan and we pick Kelly. I hope that doesnt happen this year with Dubios and Tkachuk

The draft game has changed a lot since then. While I agree on who I hope we draft, Tkachuk and Kelly aren't comparable. It would not be illogical for a scouting team to like Tkachuk more, especially if he goes on a Memorial Cup MVP run (as a Niagara ice Dogs fan, I certainly hope not!)

 

[Aceboogie]

The draft game has changed a lot since then. While I agree on who I hope we draft, Tkachuk and Kelly aren't comparable. It would not be illogical for a scouting team to like Tkachuk more, especially if he goes on a Memorial Cup MVP run (as a Niagara ice Dogs fan, I certainly hope not!)

True, didnt meant to say Tkachuk will bust, just that itd be a semi let down in my eyes. Tkachuk will still be a good NHLer im just really wary of his upside and how big of a boost he got from Marner.

PLD on the other hand is a jack of all trades and his upside in NHL is massive because of it. But his floor is also higher because he can fill so many roles