Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[Oilception]

I hope the scenerio is not like the Doan situation back in the day. Every Oiler fan is screaming Doan and we pick Kelly. I hope that doesnt happen this year with Dubios and Tkachuk

What if we take neither and draft Chychrun?

 

[Aceboogie]

What if we take neither and draft Chychrun?

I dunno im torn. Ive read some truely great scouting reports on him. Read some meh ones . I both like the pick and dont like it at all. Id be wait and see with him

Atleast wed be picking a D and solving an issue. With the forwards, both solve the same problem, one solves it better (IMO)

 

[Hynh]

If the Oilers have to give up their 2nd in 2016/2017 for the Chiarelli signing (I assume they still have to)... which do you give up?

It's probably obvious to give up the 2017 2nd round pick as this year it will be #32 and hopefully next year it will be much later... say #60 if all goes particularly well.

Even if next year ends up being 31, this year's second is more valuable. A player drafted this year that spends 2 years in junior would be turning pro right as McDavid gets his raise.

 

[Canovin]

What if we take neither and draft Chychrun?

I'd take Chychrun, Sergachev and Dubois over Tkhachuk. All 3 are more of what we need. Tkachuk type you can sign or draft in the later rounds

 

[Draiskull]

What if we take neither and draft Chychrun?

solves nothing

 

[Canovin]

solves nothing

Of course it does. Draft Chychrun and package Nurse+RNH for a #1D. Chychrun has a safer upside than Nurse while having the same potential.

 

[Faelko]

What if we take neither and draft Chychrun?

I'd be ok with that actually. He's a few years from helping but if there's no deal to be made for an established NHL caliber Dman with the 4th, I grab him.

I won't be disappointed with Dubois either though if they go that way.

 

[dustrock]

I'd take Chychrun, Sergachev and Dubois over Tkhachuk. All 3 are more of what we need. Tkachuk type you can sign or draft in the later rounds

Fine with this.


On Puljujarvi, wasn't there a concern about his lack of 5v5 scoring this year? I don't know as much about him, but I wonder if his skill set maybe would fit better on another team.

 

[lakai17]

Another forward who dropped a bit from over a year ago is Kieffer Bellows. Remember his dad was highly touted and had a nice career. I believe Kieffer will be on the same level when he comes into his own.

 

[Zaddy]

I would be fine with most selections at #4 but Tkachuk is the one I'd be slightly upset at. Great prospect, but we don't need more players of that ilk. Taking Tkachuk over Dubois/Chychrun/Sergachyov or even Juolevi would be a mistake IMO.

 

[iCanada]

True, didnt meant to say Tkachuk will bust, just that itd be a semi let down in my eyes. Tkachuk will still be a good NHLer im just really wary of his upside and how big of a boost he got from Marner.

PLD on the other hand is a jack of all trades and his upside in NHL is massive because of it. But his floor is also higher because he can fill so many roles

And his other linemate... Dvorak who also outscored him by 20%.

I like Dubois much much better.

 

[Jet Walters]

I have a hard time believing they pass on Dubois given the recent comment from Chia and McLellan about adding versatility, size, and intangibles to the forward group. Dubois fits the definition of a Chiarelli type player 100% and unlike all the other high picks this guy can start on the 3rd line as a winger and not hurt your team.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Of course it does. Draft Chychrun and package Nurse+RNH for a #1D. Chychrun has a safer upside than Nurse while having the same potential.

OK Nostrildumbass.

 

[lakai17]

I would take Nylander over Tkachuk or Sergachev.

 

[Raoul Duke]

So we're all fawning over another young forward?

There's a reason people say you have to draft #1 D men.
They get moved, but it's pretty rare.
If they move the pick for current help, that's fine.
If they take Dubois, that's fine.

To me, the best move is to identify the D with the best potential to be a #1 D. Either trade down a couple spots, or just pick pick him outright.
There will be a #1 D, from this draft. If we can figure out who he is, that's our best play.

 

[MessierII]

I don't think I'd take chych at 4. Id trade down to 8 or 9 for whatever we can and take whichever of chyc, juoelvi, sergachev is there if we are going for a D.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

So we're all fawning over another young forward?

There's a reason people say you have to draft #1 D men.
They get moved, but it's pretty rare.
If they move the pick for current help, that's fine.
If they take Dubois, that's fine.

To me, the best move is to identify the D with the best potential to be a #1 D. Either trade down a couple spots, or just pick pick him outright.
There will be a #1 D, from this draft. If we can figure out who he is, that's our best play.

Pretty risky.

Top defenceman taken:
2014: Ekblad (but was 1st overall)
2013: Seth Jones
2012: Ryan Murray (Griffin Reinhart at 4)
2011: Adam Larsson
2010: Erik Gudbranson

Are you happy with the chances of your #4 overall pick becoming a #1 defenceman?

 

[Raoul Duke]

Pretty risky.

Top defenceman taken:
2014: Ekblad (but was 1st overall)
2013: Seth Jones
2012: Ryan Murray (Griffin Reinhart at 4)
2011: Adam Larsson
2010: Erik Gudbranson

Are you happy with the chances of your #4 overall pick becoming a #1 defenceman?

Scouts job.

 

[Stud Muffin]

If DeBrincat fell to 32 would anyone take him?

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

If DeBrincat fell to 32 would anyone take him?

Yup. But we will ignore the top6 potential skill there to draft a coke machine that will play 40 career games on the 4th line.

 

[Roof Daddy]

So we're all fawning over another young forward?

There's a reason people say you have to draft #1 D men.
They get moved, but it's pretty rare.
If they move the pick for current help, that's fine.
If they take Dubois, that's fine.

To me, the best move is to identify the D with the best potential to be a #1 D. Either trade down a couple spots, or just pick pick him outright.
There will be a #1 D, from this draft. If we can figure out who he is, that's our best play.

D men are so hard to project unless you've got a slam dunk guy like Doughty/Ekblad/Hedman. I look at this draft and think all 3 are kind of in that Ryan Murray caliber of prospect - you feel good about the chance they all become solid NHLers, but there's enough question marks to doubt top pairing potential.

The more I hear about Dubois, I feel confident he can fulfill the Benn/Hossa type projections. His dedication to improving his game and conditioning sounds a lot like McDavid off the ice. That's the type of culture we should be building on (not saying those D couldn't be that type as well, just that we know Dubois is). We need immediate answers on D anyway. I'd much rather trade Hall/Ebs/Nuge to land a D, then find replacement(s) via UFA.

Unless it's a slam dunk D, I feel much more comfortable drafting a forward this high. There's just as good a chance that the #1 D you feel is in this draft is picked after the first round.

 

[Spawn]

If DeBrincat fell to 32 would anyone take him?

I don't know enough about him. I'd take him there if that's where he should be going in the draft. But I wouldn't take him because he spent a year playing with McDavid.

Yup. But we will ignore the top6 potential skill there to draft a coke machine that will play 40 career games on the 4th line.

But that player could be the next Milan Lucic!

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

I don't know enough about him. I'd take him there if that's where he should be going in the draft. But I wouldn't take him because he spent a year playing with McDavid.


But that player could be the next Milan Lucic!

He scored 51 goals playing with McDavid last year. He scored 51 goals playing without him this year. If this was our top pick I would look at who his centers were (MCDavid and Strome). But as a 2nd round pick where you hope to just find a player, we can look at it and say "well, we can give him that exact same opportunity to succeed that he had in Erie"

 

[Roof Daddy]

If DeBrincat fell to 32 would anyone take him?

Yup. But we will ignore the top6 potential skill there to draft a coke machine that will play 40 career games on the 4th line.

I hope we've learned our lesson on those failed attempts, as well as the approach last year (we don't need Barzal/Conner). If you can draft that high end level of skill, you do it. It doesn't mean they ever have to suit up for you, but it could be a valuable trade chip down the road.

 

[Tarus]

Yup. But we will ignore the top6 potential skill there to draft a coke machine that will play 40 career games on the 4th line.

We don't know that. GMs don't make the picks, but they do dictate what the scouts should be looking for, and the coke machine mentality was something pushed by Lowe/Tambo/Mact

The main concern with Chia is if what he wants in draft picks translates into NHL quality players, because Boston's drafting with the staff he assembled during his tenure there was absolutely awful