Prospect Info: Draft Thread | Oilers Hold The 4th Overall Selection

[Hynh]

Points from different leagues are almost irrelevant. From what I've seen of Dubois, I'm not even half as impressed as I was of Monahan. Monahan had better positioning, better shot and was/is as good of a skater. Only thing Dubois has on Monahan is his size.

Did you see Monahan in 2011-12? Because that's the year you need to compare with Dubois. Comparing Dubois' 2015-16 season with Monahan's 2012-13 season is comparing them at an 8 month (and one season) difference. Comparing Dubois's 2015-16 season with Monahan's 2011-12 season is comparing them at a 4 month difference.

 

[Canovin]

Monahan was being touted as a Toews lite. I think he has exceeded expectation but not by much. I think Monahan was being looked at as a 20-25 goal and 30-40 assist guy who could play the 200 foot game. He's exceeded that by a bit since the scoring is down now from what it was, but its not an outrageous amount.

Monahan was a safe pick. That's why we wanted him. DuBois I say is also a pick.

 

[Raab]

Alright you guys are right, Dubois is the greatest player to play the game ever. Just don't blame me when he fails to meet your expectations. I've been through this before and a lot of you are going to be disappointed. See Nurse and RNH for examples.

 

[McKappa]

I'm against moving the pick, with the exp draft coming and McDavid's incoming extension, I would rather move someone like Eberle.

Dubois is fantastic, I see him as a Landeskog type, would be a fine fit with McDavid. He's my pick.

Tkachuk has been really impressing me in the playoffs, he's close to Dubois but I lean towards the latter as I see Star potential in Dubois and only a excellent complementary player in Tkachuk.

 

[MessierII]

I'm against moving the pick, with the exp draft coming and McDavid's incoming extension, I would rather move someone like Eberle.

Dubois is fantastic, I see him as a Landeskog type, would be a fine fit with McDavid. He's my pick.

Tkachuk has been really impressing me in the playoffs, he's close to Dubois but I lean towards the latter as I see Star potential in Dubois and only a excellent complementary player in Tkachuk.

Moving Eberle is a given. We still need to do more to address the blue line than move Eberle if we're serious about being competitive.

 

[gordonhught]

Dubois is not as good as Monahan.

Dubois>Monahan

 

[McGoMcD]

I like Nuge and all, but it's a question of whether he's a guy Chia likes moving forward. It's also a question of what assets we currently have are capable of landing a high end RHD. In the case of pursuing Hamonic, Nuge might be the only piece that is deemed expendable that could complete the deal.

I don't think it necessarily comes down to favouring PLD over Nuge currently, but IF (big if) PLD fulfills his potential then you've definitely got a better player than Nuge down the road. While we're waiting for that to happen we can potentially fill the void with a UFA like Eriksson. If Nuge is going to play wing anyway, why not trade him and replace him with somebody better in that role anyway?

of course, it comes down to who is willing to trade what for what. Just saying the idea that moving RNH and keeping Dubiuos should be plan A is nuts. Plan A is move the 4th and keep Nuge, all day!!

 

[Spawn]

of course, it comes down to who is willing to trade what for what. Just saying the idea that moving RNH and keeping Dubiuos should be plan A is nuts. Plan A is move the 4th and keep Nuge, all day!!

I donno. It all depends on what you can get for which asset. I think Plan A is get the best d-man you can. If that costs Nuge instead of the 4th.... so be it (although honestly I think the 4th holds more value than Nuge on the trade market). The downside to that is you need to find a 3C replacement in free agency or somewhere else.

 

[BarDownBobo]

To me the biggest reason to keep the pick is the high likelihood of expansion. I know people hate to hear this, but Chia needs to keep an eye on the longevity of success this team will have. As nice as it would be to move the pick for a say a top 4 D and a third line C, how great is that going to look a year from now when you lose one of those guys in expansion.

 

[Sempiternal]

Id go with Chychrun if Oilers keep the pick. The Oilers have a lot of Centre depth and wingers are easy to get. Blue chip D are very difficult unless they flounder a bit like Griffin.

Think Chychrun was over analyzed since he's been in the spotlight a long time and is only reason he's dropped a few spots. If can't use pick to trade for a D, pick a D.

 

[Soundwave]

Id go with Chychrun if Oilers keep the pick. The Oilers have a lot of Centre depth and wingers are easy to get. Blue chip D are very difficult unless they flounder a bit like Griffin.

Think Chychrun was over analyzed since he's been in the spotlight a long time and is only reason he's dropped a few spots. If can't use pick to trade for a D, pick a D.

Some of the reports about his hockey I.Q. (or lack thereof) are scaring the crap outta me gotta be honest, that and some teams not having him even in their top 10.

 

[Oilers4life1987]

Quick question guys, anyone think they Oilers could get an NHL defenseman and 2 second round picks for 4th overall

 

[nexttothemoon]

Quick question guys, anyone think they Oilers could get an NHL defenseman and 2 second round picks for 4th overall

That sounds like a lot to me... but depends on what prospect a team really likes.

 

[syz]

Alright you guys are right, Dubois is the greatest player to play the game ever. Just don't blame me when he fails to meet your expectations. I've been through this before and a lot of you are going to be disappointed. See Nurse and RNH for examples.

Sorry, still busy waiting for Reinhart to be good at hockey.

 

[Fourier]

Points from different leagues are almost irrelevant. From what I've seen of Dubois, I'm not even half as impressed as I was of Monahan. Monahan had better positioning, better shot and was/is as good of a skater. Only thing Dubois has on Monahan is his size.

Dubois is definitely a better skater than Monahan was as a junior. I would also not say that Monahan had a better shot at the same age either. Dubois can really shoot.

I watched a lot of Monahan as a junior. He was the guy I wanted at #7 in that draft and I was choked when Calgary took him. I have seen far less of Dubois but their circumstances were similar, at least in their draft years. Both played for teams with not much offensive depth and both were asked to carry a big load. One big difference though is that Monahan was a pure center and Dubois was a winger converted to center late in the year.

Monahan has certainly done well in his first few years in the NHL. But I don't think it would be easy to make the case that he was clearly the better junior.

 

[Fourier]

Did you see Monahan in 2011-12? Because that's the year you need to compare with Dubois. Comparing Dubois' 2015-16 season with Monahan's 2012-13 season is comparing them at an 8 month (and one season) difference. Comparing Dubois's 2015-16 season with Monahan's 2011-12 season is comparing them at a 4 month difference.

I don't think you can really make the claim that the proper comparison was one year or the other. Age is one factor but circumstance also comes into play. Monahan had a very different role from Dubois in his 2011-12 year. In that year Ottawa had very strong wingers fro Monahan to play with in Toffoli and Prince. So he certainly had to do less of the heavy lifting himself. They had a very good team that went on a fairly deep playoff run before losing to a very good Niagara team.

 

[Fourier]

Id go with Chychrun if Oilers keep the pick. The Oilers have a lot of Centre depth and wingers are easy to get. Blue chip D are very difficult unless they flounder a bit like Griffin.

Think Chychrun was over analyzed since he's been in the spotlight a long time and is only reason he's dropped a few spots. If can't use pick to trade for a D, pick a D.

Right now I would say that Sergachev is probably ranked higher than Chychrun on pretty much everyone's lists. This is a big kid that can really skate, has a more offensively dynamic game and to me just looks better when I watch them play. He really impressed me in the series against the Rangers.

 

[VainGretzky]

Some noteworthy stats

Taylor Hall draft year 3rd year in OHL including play offs

GP G A PTS
76 57 84 141

Tkachuk rookie year Including playoffs

GP G A PTS
71 46 94 140

 

[Zaddy]

Some noteworthy stats

Taylor Hall draft year 3rd year in OHL including play offs

GP G A PTS
76 57 84 141

Tkachuk rookie year Including playoffs

GP G A PTS
71 46 94 140

Hall didn't play with Marner and Dvorak. Either way I have little doubt Tkachuk is going to be a solid point producer at the NHL level, it's other parts of his game that is lacking.

 

[Hemsky4PM]

Dubois and Tkachuk seem highly competitive. I'm fine with either but lean Dubois as he seems like more of a shooter. A skilled, big, and competitive winger would be a perfect fit for McDavid. Rebuild 2.0 would have Dubois-McD, Hall-Drai, and whatever D help can be added via RNH and Eberle deals.

I'm really not keen to deal the pick unless Tyson Barrie is the return, and agrees to a long-term deal.

 

[Hemsky4PM]

Hall didn't play with Marner and Dvorak. Either way I have little doubt Tkachuk is going to be a solid point producer at the NHL level, it's other parts of his game that is lacking.

But he did have Adam Henrique, who scored 30 in the NHL this season. The 2010 Spitfires also had Fowler and Ellis on D. Hall's numbers were helped by the quality of his team. He's still a great player.

 

[McBooya42]

Moving Eberle is a given. We still need to do more to address the blue line than move Eberle if we're serious about being competitive.

If we're moving Eberle, then we'll have to address our need for RWs ON TOP OF our need for RHD.

We can't just expect a rookie to come in, play on his off wing and replace one of the top point producers at that position.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Hall didn't play with Marner and Dvorak. Either way I have little doubt Tkachuk is going to be a solid point producer at the NHL level, it's other parts of his game that is lacking.

Very important to take note of. Hall was the driver and the force on Windsor.

I'm really torn with this pick.

If there is an expansion draft, it hurts to say that it makes sense to keep the pick as a protected asset.

On the other hand, it is an incredibly valuable asset to fix this team now, and we could trade the pick who COULD bust, for a defenseman that is a certainty.

 

[Zaddy]

But he did have Adam Henrique, who scored 30 in the NHL this season. The 2010 Spitfires also had Fowler and Ellis on D. Hall's numbers were helped by the quality of his team. He's still a great player.

Dvorak >= Henrique as a prospect IMO. Hall didn't have a Marner on his line. London also has pretty good D in Juolevi, Mete et al.

 

[Halibut]

To me the biggest reason to keep the pick is the high likelihood of expansion. I know people hate to hear this, but Chia needs to keep an eye on the longevity of success this team will have. As nice as it would be to move the pick for a say a top 4 D and a third line C, how great is that going to look a year from now when you lose one of those guys in expansion.

Unless we leave McDavid exposed I dont see how losing one player is going to significantly hurt us, especially when every team in the league is also losing a player and probably better ones than we are. It's a consideration for sure but it shouldnt be the biggest reason we dont improve this team.