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Speculation: Draft Thread 2018-19: Part X (No Kakko/Hughes Talk) - Post Your Mock Draft

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chosen said:
You make a lot of rational points, but my point remains. If Kreider's career arc had come as almost everyone here assumed it would, Kreider would only have been available for far more than people are hoping for, now. To me, this is indisputable.
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His career has come exactly as most thought it would. He is a legit top line player. If each time a franchise's first round forward would turn out exactly like Kreider, it would probably the most successful franchise in the NHL.
 
True Blue said:
His career has come exactly as most thought it would. He is a legit top line player. If each time a franchise's first round forward would turn out exactly like Kreider, it would probably the most successful franchise in the NHL.
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If anything he's exceeded expectations.

I remember the endless comparisons to guys like Chad Kilger, Jonas Hoglund, Jason Chimera and others of that ilk.

His career has been pretty similar to that of Erik Cole who was a top line winger at his best, except Kreider is even bigger and faster.

I think it's time to move on from him, but his presence will be missed if he does go elsewhere.
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
If anything he's exceeded expectations.

I remember the endless comparisons to guys like Chad Kilger, Jonas Hoglund, Jason Chimera and others of that ilk.

His career has been pretty similar to that of Erik Cole who was a top line winger at his best, except Kreider is even bigger and faster.

I think it's time to move on from him, but his presence will be missed if he does go elsewhere.
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I feel like Erik Cole was often my comparison for him. Kreider's "problem" has often been that people expect too much out of him because they believe his physical gifts mean he should be a surefire all star forward scoring 40 goals and 90 points when the simple fact is that while he is freakishly big and fast in many ways, he doesn't have other elite skills that you need in the NHL to reach that elite level of play. It's not about effort or even "IQ" necessarily, but some people haven't been able to accept that.
 
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Matthew Steinburg plays for Morgan Barron's Nova Scotia HS team (though they were never teammates) and he's following him to Cornell, wonder if that's a name for the later rounds. Possibly even a prestigious 7th round draft pick.
 
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Saw my good friend today who works in the USHL.

Keep an eye on Nick Abruzzese. Lead the USHL in scoring as a 19 year old overager after going undrafted last year and scoring under 0.5 PPG.

My friend came away impressed every time he watched him. Small, shifty and slick hands. Says he'd be a steal in the mid rounds and will be an NHL player. He said this with a lot of conviction.

Any prospect-heads in here watch him this year? @Joey Bones?
 
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William Moneylander said:
Matthew Steinburg plays for Morgan Barron's Nova Scotia HS team (though they were never teammates) and he's following him to Cornell, wonder if that's a name for the later rounds. Possibly even a prestigious 7th round draft pick.
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Good call, looking at their numbers (without knowing any context) for their HS years, Steinburg has a slightly higher PPG at every comparable season
 
Berserk said:
My guy there is Tomasino right now. Have been really impressed by him.
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There are a few others that the Rangers might pick that I could live with--Dorofeyev, Harley, Heinola, Lavoie, Suzuki, Soderstrom--at least some of those guys will be there too but one of Seider, Brink, York and Tomasino is what I'm really hoping for.

Seider is a big RD who did not look out of place at the World Championships--what that tells me is whatever team drafts him is probably going to have him in their lineup pretty damn quick--probably not next year but 20-21--real possibility.

Bobby Brink is a real gamer--he played at the under 18's with a lot of players from the USNTDP like Hughes and by all accounts looked terrific. Maybe needs to work on his skating a bit but has excellent instinctive offensive tools and a terrific shot. Going to Denver U.

York was USNTDP's go to offensive player from the blue line. A little small but very smart. This guy could go off the board say anywhere from 12 on and if we pass on him he'll probably end up going the next two picks. The other thing is we've got lots of LD's coming. He'd be a great value pick at 20 though.

Tomasino was a real riser and a really good skater. He's smart and very competitive and willing to get his nose dirty. The Rangers IMO could use more types like that. He might be a player we have to wait two or three years for though.

Both Brink and Tomasino are on the younger end of this draft's spectrum--they are July 2001 birthdays. Not going to get much better than that. Seider is April 2001 and York is January 2001.
 
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I am not crazy about who will likely be available at#20, would be ok trading down and getting Poulin. I think he is a player we need in the system, we don't have too many high end 3rd liner 2 way forward types. and to get an extra 2nd rounder would be nice.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I think it's time to move on from him, but his presence will be missed if he does go elsewhere.
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We can certainly debate what place, if any, he has post rebuild on the team and where he fits in on the tier of top liners, but to suggest that he is anything but is a bit ludicrous. Like I said, if every time the Rangers were to draft a forward in the first round said forward turned into a Kreider clone, the team would be an absolute powerhouse for a very long time.
 
eco's bones said:
Bobby Brink is a real gamer--he played at the under 18's with a lot of players from the USNTDP like Hughes and by all accounts looked terrific. Maybe needs to work on his skating a bit but has excellent instinctive offensive tools and a terrific shot. Going to Denver U.

York was USNTDP's go to offensive player from the blue line. A little small but very smart. This guy could go off the board say anywhere from 12 on and if we pass on him he'll probably end up going the next two picks. The other thing is we've got lots of LD's coming. He'd be a great value pick at 20 though.
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Gotta tell you, the NHL is nothing but a copy cat league. And I believe that more than a few teams noticed what kind of teams the last two Stanley Cup winners were. Size and nastiness. I am not saying that this is going back to 1970 Broad Street Bullies hockey, but I do think that size matters. The teams that won go back to the Kings model. This is just a long winded way of me saying that one cannot construct a team of smallish PMDs and other smurfs. The Rangers, at least on the forward end, seem to be going with size and pains in the tukhas to play against. The defense needs size and attitude, no doubt about it.

Brink I like and York has skill. And lots of it. But they fit into the model f what I see the team already having in spades. Having said all of that, I will again state that I am with Edge. Draft the talent and if you have excess, you can always turn it into other assets.
 
darko said:
No way Seider or York make it to pick 20.
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While I admit to coming around on Seider, I do not think that what you describe is a bad thing for the Rangers. If there is a run on defensemen AND Knight goes let's say top-15, that means that more than likely one of the forward names that we have been debating about winds up falling or at least falling enough to within striking distance for Gorton.
 
True Blue said:
Gotta tell you, the NHL is nothing but a copy cat league. And I believe that more than a few teams noticed what kind of teams the last two Stanley Cup winners were. Size and nastiness. I am not saying that this is going back to 1970 Broad Street Bullies hockey, but I do think that size matters. The teams that won go back to the Kings model. This is just a long winded way of me saying that one cannot construct a team of smallish PMDs and other smurfs. The Rangers, at least on the forward end, seem to be going with size and pains in the tukhas to play against. The defense needs size and attitude, no doubt about it.

Brink I like and York has skill. And lots of it. But they fit into the model f what I see the team already having in spades. Having said all of that, I will again state that I am with Edge. Draft the talent and if you have excess, you can always turn it into other assets.
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You can’t look at Cup trends when you’re drafting, chances are very high that by the time these kids are ready there’s going to be a whole new trend
 
So apparently the Rangers flew Cozens to New York and bought him a suit. Don’t know what to think of this.
 
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So no one has to look for it
Last but not least, another doozy, with the Rangers rumoured to be coveting Cozens — they supposedly (and strangely) flew him to New York City and paid for his custom suit to be worn on draft day, according to a source. Those kind of stories always make their rounds in the weeks leading up to the draft — starting with which teams wined and dined which prospects at the annual combine — but this one seemed to have more meat to it than the typical tall tale.

If Cozens is still available at No. 8, Edmonton could become that trade partner for the Rangers, with the Oilers moving back to No. 20 with a keen interest in Kaliyev. The price to move up 12 spots could be Chris Kreider, who is one season away from unrestricted free agency and has long been considered a target for Edmonton.

That would be a pretty big deal, as is, but there was further speculation that it could grow to include Jesse Puljujarvi and Milan Lucic to the Rangers, with Kevin Shattenkirk joining Kreider as part of the return for the Oilers. That just seems too big to be true, but remember you heard it here first.
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Not a huge surprise, I feel like we've known they really like Cozens for at least half the season
 
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True Blue said:
Gotta tell you, the NHL is nothing but a copy cat league. And I believe that more than a few teams noticed what kind of teams the last two Stanley Cup winners were. Size and nastiness. I am not saying that this is going back to 1970 Broad Street Bullies hockey, but I do think that size matters. The teams that won go back to the Kings model. This is just a long winded way of me saying that one cannot construct a team of smallish PMDs and other smurfs. The Rangers, at least on the forward end, seem to be going with size and pains in the tukhas to play against. The defense needs size and attitude, no doubt about it.

Brink I like and York has skill. And lots of it. But they fit into the model f what I see the team already having in spades. Having said all of that, I will again state that I am with Edge. Draft the talent and if you have excess, you can always turn it into other assets.
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would be the most rangers thing ever though if we finally billed a team full of skill and then the league goes with size and tuffness lol
 
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Lays said:
Cozens and the Rangers have been linked wayyyy too much for my liking. Like for the past few months there’s been talk about us possibly trading up for him. Ive got him at 18 as of now, reminds me of Charlie Coyle in a lot of ways. Not a bad thing but if we’re trading up into the top 10 I’d want Zegras
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I think he is way better than Charlie Coyle, though I would rather trade Kreider for Zegras, i still think Cozens is a future 55-60 point 2C.
 
TheKingsCourt said:
I think he is way better than Charlie Coyle, though I would rather trade Kreider for Zegras, i still think Cozens is a future 55-60 point 2C.
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I thought Coyle’s stats were better than they actually are. I’m expecting a 55 ish point player from Cozens as well, not sure if it’s at C though
 
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