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Draft Lottery (April 18) - 13th/14th Pick Speculation (2% Chance at Top Pick)

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TonySCV said:
And they have lacked D for YEARS. Anyone with half a brain was screaming that they needed to shore up their D first.. 4 years ago. Yet here we still are and so long as the owner remains delusional, that's where they will remain.
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I honestly think MacT thinks you can win with run and gun hockey. The mid-80's Oilers were for the most part a free for all on the back end. Yes, they had Lowe and Huddy but they weren't the best blueline out there. They relied on Moog and Fuhr (and later Randford) to bail them out a lot. Coffey wasn't nearly as good defensively as three Norris trophies might suggest. They were decent defensively largely because they had the puck a lot. Back then defeses didn't pressure like they do now, they laid back and waited for you to shoot and hoped to get the puck and head up ice. The Oilers thrived because they could move the puck so quickly they only needed that one shot.

Today it doesn't work because defensive system stress attacking the puck carrier. You can't sit behind the net like Gretzky anymore, you can't just pass the puck around the zone on the PP. If this was 1985, The Nuge and Hall would be 50 goal, 100 point players. This isn't 1985 however, but this is what will continue to go on as long as Katz keeps putting all his eggs in Kevin Lowe's basket.
 
All other Oilers shenanigans aside, I think McDavid is the real deal, and I'm glad, aside from having to play him many times a year, that we have a true game-changing (forward) superstar in our conference akin to Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin.

I think Seguin is very close to joining that group too, fwiw.
 
McDavid is talented, generational talent.

Still though, has a lot of work ahead of him. Look how hard Crosby has to work, to score in this league. It's hard to score, and be a consistent game breaker in this era of NHL hockey.

Talent alone is not enough, look at Drew Doughty(supreme talent), he has to work extremely hard to put points on the board.
 
KINGS17 said:
That and a strong forecheck, which I don't see in the repertoire of any of the forwards the Oilers have drafted #1 overall,
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Really, a 1st overall forward likely won't be strong on the forecheck. It's hardly Crosby's repertoire either. And that's fine.

On that issue, the problem for the Oilers is they strike out in the later rounds. For us, guys like King, Nolan, Clifford and Stoll (before the powder anyway) were good at this and none are first rounders.

Lowe became a GM with Edmonton in 2000. Since then, outside of round one, they have drafted just seven guys who have played 200 or more games in the NHL and one of those, Matthew Lombardi, never signed with the Oilers and instead went back into the draft and went to Calgary.

The other six are Jarrett Stoll, Matt Greene, Brad Winchester, Kyle Brodziak, Matt Stortini and Jeff Petry. Only Stoll, Greene and Petry were much of any impact for the Oilers during their careers.

How Lowe keeps his job in unimaginable.
 
The Oil drafting past the first round is terrible. Their second round picks in the last six years have been god awful.

You can't miss on your second rounders. Those need to produce something, anything.
 
McDavid will be fine offensively, but I can't imagine the what the hell is defense system in Edmonton is gonna help his overall game.
 
Both MDavid and Eichel are generational talents (as much as they can be going into the NHL) but the team they are going to is going to have a huge impact on how much so they become over time. I would put my money on Eichel having more overall success then the more talented McDavid in the long run because the Sabres are poised to become a very great young team where the Oilers even with McDavid are still at least two to three years away from doing much unless they make a few wholesale changes. They have become an absolute embarrassment of an org. The Clippers of the NHL but like the Clips, with time new ownership and better mgmt they have proven that any team can turn things around.
 
417th said:
Both MDavid and Eichel are generational talents (as much as they can be going into the NHL) but the team they are going to is going to have a huge impact on how much so they become over time. I would put my money on Eichel having more overall success then the more talented McDavid in the long run because the Sabres are poised to become a very great young team where the Oilers even with McDavid are still at least two to three years away from doing much unless they make a few wholesale changes. They have become an absolute embarrassment of an org. The Clippers of the NHL but like the Clips, with time new ownership and better mgmt they have proven that any team can turn things around.
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I'd take that wager. Buffalo was in full tank mode, that doesn't say anything good about their management style either. McDavid will be the better player IMO.
 
kingsfan said:
I'd take that wager. Buffalo was in full tank mode, that doesn't say anything good about their management style either. McDavid will be the better player IMO.
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McDavid may score more all in but I think that Eichel will have more real team success. That said lets meet back here in 15 years and see who turned out to be right, deal?:naughty: I think that Eichel will get a significantly better start to his career then McDavid and that the Oilers are the very last place that any elite talented kid should end up at this point. They have proven that they can't develop anyone correctly so while I understand that CM had no say in where he ended up (assuming) the hot mess that is EDM probably wouldn't have made his top 30 of places he wanted to go.
 
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ScoreZeGoals said:
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In 2010, they where the worst team and had the best odds. In 2011, New Jersey won the lottery, not Edmonton, and moved up (under the rules at the time) from 8th to 4th. Edmonton won by de facto, being the worst team again, so they stayed #1. In 2012, they went from 2nd to 1st by winning the lotto, not exactly a miracle. In 2015, they went from 3rd to 1st, again pretty good odds. Hopefully they can turn the franchise around, but not too much. :laugh:
 
417th said:
McDavid may score more all in but I think that Eichel will have more real team success. That said lets meet back here in 15 years and see who turned out to be right, deal?:naughty: I think that Eichel will get a significantly better start to his career then McDavid and that the Oilers are the very last place that any elite talented kid should end up at this point. They have proven that they can't develop anyone correctly so while I understand that CM had no say in where he ended up (assuming) the hot mess that is EDM probably wouldn't have made his top 30 of places he wanted to go.
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Team success is far different that individual success. You can only have so much impact on your teams success. Lemieux + Crosby = 3 cups. Gretzky - Edmonton = 0 cups. Team success does not equate to who is the better player, which was what you were discussing originally; who would be the better player.
 
kingsfan said:
Team success is far different that individual success. You can only have so much impact on your teams success. Lemieux + Crosby = 3 cups. Gretzky - Edmonton = 0 cups. Team success does not equate to who is the better player, which was what you were discussing originally; who would be the better player.
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The Oilers won the cup right after they dealt 99 and every star player has the opportunity to be the major reason that their team either wins or loses a cup so I am not certain what you mean. I mean if Eichel is the player that many including myself think he will become then he will be as important as any other superstar is to their teams including McDavid. If Eichel wins a cup and McDavid doesn't both can still be seen as generational talents only for different reasons. So I am don't get where you are coming from again.
 
McT will totally due a 180 and draft Eichel with the first pick, finally realizing you need to draft a top defenseman once in a while...then I woke up.
 
kingsfan said:
Pray he Cam Fowler's down enough for DL to trade up and get him.
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Sorry, I was using my phone earlier so wasn't very clear.

I think kingsfan28 meant Hanifin, not Eichel.

I definitely don't expect Hanifin to be available to us. But if MacT had the balls, trading down for #3 or #4 to pick up Hanifin wouldn't be a bad idea. How many 1st OA forwards do they need? Even if McDavid is a generational player, they might be closer to success with Nurse and Hanifin.
 
If he was smart he'd go in at the draft and start trading that offense for defense. Make some big time deals. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for Seth Jones. Jordan Eberle for Malcolm Subban.
 
Jeff18 said:
Sorry, I was using my phone earlier so wasn't very clear.

I think kingsfan28 meant Hanifin, not Eichel.

I definitely don't expect Hanifin to be available to us. But if MacT had the balls, trading down for #3 or #4 to pick up Hanifin wouldn't be a bad idea. How many 1st OA forwards do they need? Even if McDavid is a generational player, they might be closer to success with Nurse and Hanifin.
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While I agree with what you are saying, you just never trade away a kid like McDavid. Kids with this type of hype often turn into generational talents.

Ron said:
If I'm NSH I don't do that deal. Jones is the real deal.
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I agree. I think he's the next Pronger.
 
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