Draft and UDFA Thread: Part IV

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Gorton clearly understands that Pionk has been overtasked by the coach.

He was pitched as a potential #5 jitterbug who can play the 2nd PP unit as a necessity, but we've been playing him like Michael Roszival out there.

In a more reasonable role I think he'll do a lot better.
 
the problem with lindbom last year wasn't picking a goalie too early it was reaching for a goalie that isn't that good and wasn't highly rated. i still wouldn't have liked picking a goalie in that spot in hindsight but no doubt would have come around on the idea if he turned out to be good. but picking a bad player is a bad pick regardless of position or round...

as for spencer knight. i think it really comes down to how our conditional picks work out and what our draft picks look like...i mean if we only have 2 first I can't justify taking him unless he falls into the 2nd round. but if draft day rolls around and we've got 5 first round picks then its alot easier to wrap your head around 'wasting' a pick on a goalie

Well, IIRC, Lindbom was ranked the 3rd highest goalie outside of North America and like 5th or 6th within all goalies eligible in the draft. He also turned in an excellent U-18 that year. It's not like he isn't good and he certainly isn't bad. There is potential. Despite being out nearly all year with an injury, he still managed a few games as the backup in Djurgardens. As an 18 year old in an all pro league, that's great news!!

With that said, he definitely was taken earlier than expected. But compared to who we had as the next BPA, the Rangers thought differently. Benny likes his projects and there is definite potential with Lindbom. Like most prospects, it's up to them for proper development.

In regards to Knight, he definitely has 1st round talent. It would be unwise of the Rangers to use a 1st rounder, or even a 2nd rounder, on a goalie with potential studs like Shesterkin and Huska and good merit prospects like Wall and Lindbom in the system. Georgiev has established himself as an excellent backup and can turn into a stud in the NHL for years, as well. But with five goalies in the system, excluding Lundqvist, they could still use some depth at the position. This draft is an excellent draft to pick a keeper and with 10 picks, it's bound to happen. I just hope the Rangers use the top part of the draft to bring in some skill and depth at forward and possibly right defense. Use a later pick to select a keeper.

Projecting that Spencer Knight, Hunter Jones, Nolan Maier, Isaiah Saville, Dustin Wolf, Mads Sogaard and Ilya Konovalov will most likely be the goalies gone by the 3rd round, some names I'd grab later on include Hugo Alnefelt, Roman Basran, Colten Ellis, Taylor Gauthier, Ethan Haider, Petr Kochetkov, Amir Miftakhov, Trent Miner, Jasper Patrikainen, Lucas Rheyneuclaudes, Cameron Rowe, Roope Taponen, and Matteus Ward.
 
Well, IIRC, Lindbom was ranked the 3rd highest goalie outside of North America and like 5th or 6th within all goalies eligible in the draft. He also turned in an excellent U-18 that year. It's not like he isn't good and he certainly isn't bad. There is potential. Despite being out nearly all year with an injury, he still managed a few games as the backup in Djurgardens. As an 18 year old in an all pro league, that's great news!!

With that said, he definitely was taken earlier than expected. But compared to who we had as the next BPA, the Rangers thought differently. Benny likes his projects and there is definite potential with Lindbom. Like most prospects, it's up to them for proper development.

In regards to Knight, he definitely has 1st round talent. It would be unwise of the Rangers to use a 1st rounder, or even a 2nd rounder, on a goalie with potential studs like Shesterkin and Huska and good merit prospects like Wall and Lindbom in the system. Georgiev has established himself as an excellent backup and can turn into a stud in the NHL for years, as well. But with five goalies in the system, excluding Lundqvist, they could still use some depth at the position. This draft is an excellent draft to pick a keeper and with 10 picks, it's bound to happen. I just hope the Rangers use the top part of the draft to bring in some skill and depth at forward and possibly right defense. Use a later pick to select a keeper.

Projecting that Spencer Knight, Hunter Jones, Nolan Maier, Isaiah Saville, Dustin Wolf, Mads Sogaard and Ilya Konovalov will most likely be the goalies gone by the 3rd round, some names I'd grab later on include Hugo Alnefelt, Roman Basran, Colten Ellis, Taylor Gauthier, Ethan Haider, Petr Kochetkov, Amir Miftakhov, Trent Miner, Jasper Patrikainen, Lucas Rheyneuclaudes, Cameron Rowe, Roope Taponen, and Matteus Ward.

Allaire has obviously done a terrific job as a goalie coach, but the Rangers have drafted quite a few goalie duds over the years. I realize you're going to miss, but wow. If he's the guru, then I'd assume they have him look at these guys.

Im not going to judge him on late rounders but Halverson, Lafleur, and now Lindbom are premium picks. I believe he was around when they chose Montoya as well. I could be wrong but I think I remember him commenting about Montoya many moons ago.
 
Knight is considered by many to be the best goalie prospect since Carey Price, and the only thing keeping him from going top 10 is this trend of taking goalies later. Keep an eye on Colorado using their own pick on Knight, or another team trading up for him. Dallas traded up in the 1st for Oettinger who can’t touch Knight in any category.

He is head and shoulders above the entire goalie draft class, borderline generational. The gap between the others and him is like Dahlin and Boqvist last year or Matthews and Logan Brown in 2016. Simply no equal.

Sogaard also is excellent but he has one minor technical flaw that he may never fix and it’s due to his length and power of his push. At least that’s what I had to be told and then noticed it myself.

Knight is as close to NHL ready as I’ve ever seen in a teenager. Also an excellent puckhandler.
 
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Well, IIRC, Lindbom was ranked the 3rd highest goalie outside of North America and like 5th or 6th within all goalies eligible in the draft. He also turned in an excellent U-18 that year. It's not like he isn't good and he certainly isn't bad. There is potential. Despite being out nearly all year with an injury, he still managed a few games as the backup in Djurgardens. As an 18 year old in an all pro league, that's great news!!

With that said, he definitely was taken earlier than expected. But compared to who we had as the next BPA, the Rangers thought differently. Benny likes his projects and there is definite potential with Lindbom. Like most prospects, it's up to them for proper development.

In regards to Knight, he definitely has 1st round talent. It would be unwise of the Rangers to use a 1st rounder, or even a 2nd rounder, on a goalie with potential studs like Shesterkin and Huska and good merit prospects like Wall and Lindbom in the system. Georgiev has established himself as an excellent backup and can turn into a stud in the NHL for years, as well. But with five goalies in the system, excluding Lundqvist, they could still use some depth at the position. This draft is an excellent draft to pick a keeper and with 10 picks, it's bound to happen. I just hope the Rangers use the top part of the draft to bring in some skill and depth at forward and possibly right defense. Use a later pick to select a keeper.

Projecting that Spencer Knight, Hunter Jones, Nolan Maier, Isaiah Saville, Dustin Wolf, Mads Sogaard and Ilya Konovalov will most likely be the goalies gone by the 3rd round, some names I'd grab later on include Hugo Alnefelt, Roman Basran, Colten Ellis, Taylor Gauthier, Ethan Haider, Petr Kochetkov, Amir Miftakhov, Trent Miner, Jasper Patrikainen, Lucas Rheyneuclaudes, Cameron Rowe, Roope Taponen, and Matteus Ward.

If Knight is there with the second 1st, they’d be stupid not to take him, but Saville would be a slam dunk in the 3rd or 4th. Kid’s composure is crazy.

Expansion and this growing trend of four-goalie carousels should keep the idea of drafting one every year as a recurring theme.

Georgiyev is five years older than the goalies in this draft class. Shestyorkin six. Rangers drafted Richter very high in 1985 already knowing Beezer was the franchise. Beezer won the Vezina in 1986. By 1989-90 he was splitting time with Richter. By 1993 he effectively was released. We all know what happened the next summer and beyond.

You can never have too much goaltending.
 
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You pick goalies in the late rounds and you lean towards overagers with pro experience, that’s my 2 cents. Goalies are so hard to project as teenagers in juniors.

Knights numbers look pedestrian on the surface too (i haven’t dug deep though so take it with a grain of salt)
 
Teams are quite obviously bad at scouting and evaluating young goalies, we have enough proof of this, that means there are always high end goalies available in the later rounds. So if you specifically target and scout overagers with pro experience you can come away like a bandit every draft, let other teams try to break the voodoo curse on their 17-18 yo goalies in the top 93.
 
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Well, IIRC, Lindbom was ranked the 3rd highest goalie outside of North America and like 5th or 6th within all goalies eligible in the draft. He also turned in an excellent U-18 that year. It's not like he isn't good and he certainly isn't bad. There is potential. Despite being out nearly all year with an injury, he still managed a few games as the backup in Djurgardens. As an 18 year old in an all pro league, that's great news!!

With that said, he definitely was taken earlier than expected. But compared to who we had as the next BPA, the Rangers thought differently. Benny likes his projects and there is definite potential with Lindbom. Like most prospects, it's up to them for proper development.

In regards to Knight, he definitely has 1st round talent. It would be unwise of the Rangers to use a 1st rounder, or even a 2nd rounder, on a goalie with potential studs like Shesterkin and Huska and good merit prospects like Wall and Lindbom in the system. Georgiev has established himself as an excellent backup and can turn into a stud in the NHL for years, as well. But with five goalies in the system, excluding Lundqvist, they could still use some depth at the position. This draft is an excellent draft to pick a keeper and with 10 picks, it's bound to happen. I just hope the Rangers use the top part of the draft to bring in some skill and depth at forward and possibly right defense. Use a later pick to select a keeper.

Projecting that Spencer Knight, Hunter Jones, Nolan Maier, Isaiah Saville, Dustin Wolf, Mads Sogaard and Ilya Konovalov will most likely be the goalies gone by the 3rd round, some names I'd grab later on include Hugo Alnefelt, Roman Basran, Colten Ellis, Taylor Gauthier, Ethan Haider, Petr Kochetkov, Amir Miftakhov, Trent Miner, Jasper Patrikainen, Lucas Rheyneuclaudes, Cameron Rowe, Roope Taponen, and Matteus Ward.

Rhyeneuclaudes = Rainclouds.
 
A few Rangers fans on this NTDP.

Zegras is a Greek kid from Westchester. Family came from Athens. Fensore’s Italian and his parents are from the Bronx. Hughes is a Leafs fan but his dad is from Hicksville and his grandfather is retired FDNY/USMC. Big Yankee/Giants/NYR family. Knight is from Darien and also is a Rangers fan.

All these kids come from great families. Most hockey players do, but this group is very close. You’d think they’d be super jealous of one another but they are together in big groups all the time.

Easily the best group I’ve covered. They should destroy the U18 worlds.
 
Really getting on the Turcotte hype train.

So are all the other non playoff teams fans. He's consistently in the top 5, and a few have him top 3 when you read the other hockey futures team forums that have a draft thread.

In fact if you read the other teams forums, everyone wants Kakko. Edmonton fans seem to think he's a lock to go to their team. Colorado too.

Another name that pops up a lot is Zegras.

Plus, every team with multiple 1st rounders wants to trade up to draft Newhook or Caufield.
 
So are all the other non playoff teams fans. He's consistently in the top 5, and a few have him top 3 when you read the other hockey futures team forums that have a draft thread.

In fact if you read the other teams forums, everyone wants Kakko. Edmonton fans seem to think he's a lock to go to their team. Colorado too.

Another name that pops up a lot is Zegras.

Plus, every team with multiple 1st rounders wants to trade up to draft Newhook or Caufield.

Yes but as we all know, only the Rangers will be able to do these things.
 
Yes but as we all know, only the Rangers will be able to do these things.

I recommend looking at other forums draft threads, it'll make you appreciate our board even more. I mean come on, Anaheims draft thread hasn't been touched since March 16th !!!

One fan has Turcotte at #1!
 
Yes but as we all know, only the Rangers will be able to do these things.

In all seriousness, we’re probably one of the teams best equipped to do something like this.

Looking for tomorrow pieces? We have a shit load of picks.

Want a right now piece? We have those too.

Want to dump a contract in exchange for moving down a few spots? Step right up, we have plenty of cap space.
 
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