Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[Bluenote13]

Clemenza hated them!

As Ranger fans, we should have expected nothing else. #2 overall pick meant no more good fortune was falling. Aside from the Jets getting bounced out early.

A)I had to root against my beloved Jets, 2nd favorite NHL team and 4th fave sports team overall.

B)Never thought the Dallas pick in 2019 would ever be a 1st. Getting within one goal of that makes it so frustrating, albeit, fun to have a rooting interest in the western conference playoff picture once the Jets lost out. Totally on board the St Louis/San Jose 1st Cup bandwagon !

C)Tampa's first round exit still stings, hopefully that was the LAST of the old Rangerluck and the draft lotto was the start of all things new.

D) Always leave the gun and take the Cannolis.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I hope we don't make a single pick in the first round

ISWYDT

 

[JimmyG89]

Have to wonder about team that are in the early/mid 2nd that are looking for actual NHL players at this point. Edmonton would be one of them. They need actual NHL players, preferably players that won't make a ton. Obviously Strome won't be going there, but I could see them in on Vesey.

38 for Vesey is a basis for a trade. Gets us back into the same slot we traded for Fox. Unless Holland is in a strip it down mode with the exception of McDavid, Drai, and Nuge + whoever on their defense, they are cap strapped and need NHL players.

Would give us another pick to move up.

 

[Edge]

Clemenza hated them!

As Ranger fans, we should have expected nothing else. #2 overall pick meant no more good fortune was falling. Aside from the Jets getting bounced out early.

If we can come away with Kakko and one of Zegras/Turcotte/Newhook/Cozens/Dach, I won't give a second thought to these playoffs.

I don't even care if Kakko and Zegras are the only picks we have in the first two rounds.

 

[True Blue]

If we can come away with Kakko and one of Zegras/Turcotte/Newhook/Cozens/Dach, I won't give a second thought to these playoffs.

I don't even care if Kakko and Zegras are the only picks we have in the first two rounds.

Am with you, but it would not require someone to slide. Out of all the names, Newhook could slide right to Rangers without them moving anywhere. If one of the other names comes close, I expect Gorton to move very aggressively to land them.

Boy do I hope that there is a serious run on defensemen right after Byram goes off the board in the top 5.

 

[Off Sides]

If we can come away with Kakko and one of Zegras/Turcotte/Newhook/Cozens/Dach, I won't give a second thought to these playoffs.

I don't even care if Kakko and Zegras are the only picks we have in the first two rounds.

Yet if the deals are not there they are not, in which case I think there are some other interesting forwards

Do you have a take on Dorofeyev, Tomasino, Suzuki? Does not have to be in depth or anything, just three players I caught glimpses of which I saw some talents.

 

[Edge]

Yet if the deals are not there they are not, in which case I think there are some other interesting forwards

Do you have a take on Dorofeyev, Tomasino, Suzuki? Does not have to be in depth or anything, just three players I caught glimpses of which I saw some talents.

Dorofyev I have in my top 15. Been a fan of his for a while now. Love the vision with the puck, love that he doesn't panic and picks his play, love the shot placement and think he's not getting nearly enough credit --- especially as everyone drools over guys like Caufield and (to a lesser extent) Kaliyev and Brink.

Tomasino is a kid who grew on me a lot as the season went on --- he kept getting better and better. He became the player everyone expected him to be last season. Excellent skater, excellent puck control. He works hard, but I'm not quite sure he's a "natural" scorer per se. He has the potential to put up his share of points, but I have a harder time pegging his trajectory as a center in the NHL. I'm not quite sure I see a high-probability second line center, but I don't see him as a third liner either. Maybe a winger as a pro?

Suzuki is a very good all-around offensive player who isn't as flashy as some of the other options that have emerged, nor does he seem to quite have that "boom" potential other options might have. Most of his offensive skills check-off as good or very good --- skating, shooting, passing, etc. His IQ is excellent and I feel that allows him to get the most out of his skills. I think he's a guy who could have a Bryan Little, under the radar type career. He feels like the safe pick when you get outside the top 10

 

[Off Sides]

Dorofyev I have in my top 15. Been a fan of his for a while now. Love the vision with the puck, love that he doesn't panic and picks his play, love the shot placement and think he's not getting nearly enough credit --- especially as everyone drools over guys like Caufield and (to a lesser extent) Kaliyev and Brink.

Tomasino is a kid who grew on me a lot as the season went on --- he kept getting better and better. He became the player everyone expected him to be last season. Excellent skater, excellent puck control. He works hard, but I'm not quite sure he's a "natural" scorer per se. He has the potential to put up his share of points, but I have a harder time pegging his trajectory as a center in the NHL. I'm not quite sure I see a high-probability second line center, but I don't see him as a third liner either. Maybe a winger as a pro?

Suzuki is a very good all-around offensive player who isn't as flashy as some of the other options that have emerged, nor does he seem to quite have that "boom" potential other options might have. Most of his offensive skills check-off as good or very good --- skating, shooting, passing, etc. His IQ is excellent and I feel that allows him to get the most out of his skills. I think he's a guy who could have a Bryan Little, under the radar type career. He feels like the safe pick when you get outside the top 10

That is pretty close to my take, remember it's only based on youtube and whatnot, but I have all three of them really close.

Tomasino is a really good skater, maybe one of the better ones I've seen out of these prospects, again limited, yet I too am not sure he has the shot, yet with that skating he can deek really well.

Suzuki puck handling is pretty great and like you said seems to check off the other boxes to at least good.

Dorofyev even though I read his name often, until I watched his clips I was skeptical. After viewing what there is though, I tend to agree he could be one of the better picks, at least out of those I have watched.

Kaliyev I see the talent, yet there seems to be a lot of individual play there, actually sort of with all of them, but more so with him.

Brink, I'm actually less enthralled with the more I watch, I think it's mostly his skating that puts me off because beyond that there seems to be some underlying stuff there.

Caufield can score, not sure that translates but if he can find space, he is probably going to score in the NHL too should he make it.

 

[Barnaby]

Gorton should have waited with the Fox trade until the Dallas series is over now he traded away our top 2nd round pick which was almost as good as a late 1st rounder instead of making them take Dallas's 2nd round pick.

So far these conditional returns on our assets are coming up empty for us and bringing us less returns on our assets. Maybe he should stop them in future trades or he has some gambling fetish?

Or they felt Carolina would insist on the late first, and didn't want that in the conversation. Especially seeing as Fox is playing in the World Championship right now and could raise his value.

 

[Barnaby]

A lesser prospect could be lesser because he has a lower ceiling or a lower floor. Chytil was a lower prospect in 2017 than Lias, but he had a higher ceiling.

What's better: to draft 2 players who have a 25% chance each to be top-6 and only 10% chance of being bottom-6, or to trade those 2 picks and draft a guy who has a 20% chance of being top-6, but another 70% to be a bottom-6er?

Where do I get these exact percentages on the upcoming draft class?

 

[Blue Men Group]

I wonder if a rebuilding team would be interested in taking our Winnipeg pick in exchange for their 2020 first round pick.

 

[Lion Hound]

The NHL Scouting Combine is up at Buffalo this year. Starts on June 1. Maybe one of the beat writers will actually take the road trip, or short flight to cover it this year. Not that I want to know how many reps Cole Caufield does on the bench. I want to know who the Rangers meet with other then Hughes and Kappo.

 

[ElLeetch]

I'm pretty salty about not having that 3rd first rounder. I feel the faster we can amass talent, the better, and while not by much, a 20-something pick is better than a 50-something pick in doing that.

that late 1st would have been a great opportunity to go for a high risk/high reward or a big faller.


we had a decent chance a 4 1sts this year, and now we are back down to two.

I know we still get Kap, but damn, that 4 1sts would have really pushed us ahead.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

The NHL Scouting Combine is up at Buffalo this year. Starts on June 1. Maybe one of the beat writers will actually take the road trip, or short flight to cover it this year. Not that I want to know how many reps Cole Caufield does on the bench. I want to know who the Rangers meet with other then Hughes and Kappo.

I doubt the best writers will get sent just because I doubt their employers will think that info is worth the money it would cost to send them. That said, the interviews that stand out usually get reported anyway, Rangers interviewing Suzuki before they had the #7, spending almost an hour (maybe less, can’t specifically remember how long it was) with Kravtsov

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I'm pretty salty about not having that 3rd first rounder. I feel the faster we can amass talent, the better, and while not by much, a 20-something pick is better than a 50-something pick in doing that.

that late 1st would have been a great opportunity to go for a high risk/high reward or a big faller.


we had a decent chance a 4 1sts this year, and now we are back down to two.

I know we still get Kap, but damn, that 4 1sts would have really pushed us ahead.

Well, the WPG pick also finished far better than the odds would suggest. I mean, as I posted earlier today, would you rather have the 6, 28, 30, and 31 picks we would have received if all the conditions were met?

Or the 2, 19/20, 48/49 and 58 we currently have...?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Well, the WPG pick also finished far better than the odds would suggest. I mean, as I posted earlier today, would you rather have the 6, 28, 30, and 31 picks we would have received if all the conditions were met?

Or the 2, 19/20, 48/49 and 58 we currently have...?

I’ll take 19/20 for sure, that’s where the talent drop is steep IMO. Not having to move up from 28 to get there is great, and sets us up for a move into the teens.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I doubt the best writers will get sent just because I doubt their employers will think that info is worth the money it would cost to send them. That said, the interviews that stand out usually get reported anyway, Rangers interviewing Suzuki before they had the #7, spending almost an hour (maybe less, can’t specifically remember how long it was) with Kravtsov

It’s interesting to just see who they’re talking to

They talkedto Gross at the combine last year, and they ended up taking him as well

 

[mike14]

I kind of keep forgetting we have the Jets' pick, so when I check in on this thread I get a warm and fuzzy feeling because there should be a few really good support players on the board at that point. Really intrigued to see what Gort's draft day strategy is.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

It’s interesting to just see who they’re talking to

They talkedto Gross at the combine last year, and they ended up taking him as well

I’m not denying that, I’m just saying the Post probably doesn’t want to put up the money to send Brooks to the combine just to find out who they talk to, especially since most of that stuff comes out anyway

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m not denying that, I’m just saying the Post probably doesn’t want to put up the money to send Brooks to the combine just to find out who they talk to, especially since most of that stuff comes out anyway

Oh I’m not disagreeing at all with what you’re saying

Some random dude reported the team was talking to Gross last year.

The beats that cover this team are pretty mediocre, but I can understand them sitting out the combine

 

[patnyrnyg]

I wonder if a rebuilding team would be interested in taking our Winnipeg pick in exchange for their 2020 first round pick.

I would be all for this, especially to a team that has a good chance of missing the play-offs. I am sure they would need to get something for this year though. Whether it be a 3rd, or late 2nd for this year with it.

 

[QJL]

I'm pretty salty about not having that 3rd first rounder. I feel the faster we can amass talent, the better, and while not by much, a 20-something pick is better than a 50-something pick in doing that.

that late 1st would have been a great opportunity to go for a high risk/high reward or a big faller.


we had a decent chance a 4 1sts this year, and now we are back down to two.

I know we still get Kap, but damn, that 4 1sts would have really pushed us ahead.

I gotta be honest, I have no salt. Kakko + 20/21 is so much better than 6 + three additional firsts. This situation is a tremendous win for the Rangers and I couldn’t be happier.

I also think 37+49 lands us a late 1st no problem. The prospect cupboards are getting thin for some of the top teams. They’ll want more swings. We don’t need the swings. We have depth in our system. The Rangers WILL move up.

Edit: blanked on the 37 being traded for Fox. Still think the Rangers package picks + Vesey/Names to move up into the 1st. Kreider is definitely on the block if they think Panarin is going to happen.

 

[Blue Men Group]

Aside from the top 2, which draftees are expected to start the season in the NHL?

 

[Thirty One]

Aside from the top 2, which draftees are expected to start the season in the NHL?

I'd say none? One or two probably will, but I wouldn't say any are expected to.

 

[wafflepadsave]

You and I seem to share similar vision for drafts, yet we have different visions for the NHL team.

You both seem a bit off.