Speculation: Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part IX (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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How about them Bruins though..

Marchand, 71st

Pastrnak, 25th

Krejci, 63rd

Bergeron, 45th

McAvoy at 14th

And then there's guys like Lucic (50th) who aren't on the team anymore but were also great picks.

Tory Krug would be our highest scoring home grown player in the past 15 years. And I would still rank him below all of the players you listed!

Jake Debrusk will soon join that list as well. I don’t think he’s anything special, but then again neither are any of our guys lol.
 
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We’ve managed to stay competitive because we happen to be a hot spot for college free agents and regular free agents. Our scouting staff doesn’t deserve much credit for what we’ve “accomplished” to date. When they’ve had the chance to really make a difference they have blown it.
You cannot discount two things: 1) how long has Gorton captained the ship? 2) Not having 1st rounders for 4 straight years and how many more 2nd rounders off the table before the draft even began will skew your drafting production.
 
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You cannot discount two things: 1) how long has Gorton captained the ship? 2) Not having 1st rounders for 4 straight years and how many more 2nd rounders off the table before the draft even began will skew your drafting production.

Well to the first one, Gordie Clark has been heading up our scouting department through both Sather and Gorton. The latter might have a different idea of the way he wants to build a team, but he doesn’t tell Gordie who to draft, it’s the opposite. If we were talking about the state of the entire Rangers organization, then Gortons tenure is obviously much more integral to the discussion. But the quality of our draft picks falls to our scouts, many of whom have been here for both GMs.

The second one doesn’t help, no doubt. But we haven’t made it count the way other teams have. Kreider and Miller in the grand scheme of things were great picks, as was Staal. They have also found the occasional gem like Girardi (a superb job by our scouts). But the entire body of work is pretty weak in my opinion.
 
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The second one doesn’t help, no doubt. But we haven’t made it count the way other teams have. Kreider and Miller in the grand scheme of things were great picks, as was Staal. They have also found the occasional gem like Girardi (a superb job by our scouts). But the entire body of work is pretty weak in my opinion.
Again, though, I think the evaluation of the body of work is germane when we discuss it with the view point of Gorton running the show. But the loss of picks absolutely devastated the farm system. Any possible other great picks are hard to come by when you have no picks.
 
The Rangers drafting from 2005-2012 was very good, especially considering their average draft position and the fact that the most talented player they selected passed away.

There's no way that not having a first round pick from 2013-2016 didn't hurt. There's a reason why four 1st round picks is the price when considering a top level offer sheet --- because it's f***ing steep.
 
Can't really blame the scouts for the last 15 years. They have had very little to work with. Give them the double amount of picks and I'm sure we will find some steals aswell.
 
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Either Kreider is able to discuss an extension or we flip our #20, say to the yotes at 14 for argument sake, and a conditional pick in 2020 if he signs. 3rd becomes a 1st. I have a hard time seeing him traded at the draft though. Maybe a player trade after free agency shakes out.
 
@2014nyr Yeah for sure, Brink actually reminds me a little bit of a — really — young Claude Giroux. He was also just not that strong overall at a young age, but had his vision and hockey sense.

But overall I am still skeptical, however the potential is there.

apologies for delay, getting in from traveling...giroux i could also see, although to me brinks a bit squarer / more solid on his feet hence jaden schwartz for me. giroux to me is/was slighter and much lighter on his feet. at the end of the day though i think they both speak to seeing the hands and hockey iq that display *potential* high end production. lot of ifs for sure but, depending whats on the board, brink is a guy i like in wpg pick range. for me it also comes down to i'm a huge fan of guys that continue to produce as they jump to higher levels, kids that improve leading into the draft, and most especially kids that show both of those things while being evaluated as guys that have "skating" issues.

should mention by skating issues i specifically mean point producers w/ hockey iq that tend to have great edges/balance, at least decent acceleration, and can maintain puck control/ice awareness in any situation but carry "skating" or "pace" red flags from scouts (usually guys from lower level leagues or kids with fat faces)...i don't mean 6'4 guys like grachev and gropp that have great straight line speed but can't complete a crossover without tipping over - that type i will never understand drafting. you can add power/explosion to a smart hockey player, but you can't add hockey sense to an athletic specimen. you can teach a freak athlete enough to find a role sure if they have the right effort/mindset, but speaking specifically to high end production guys - my personal opinion is the iq and instinct are either there or not at draft day.
 
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apologies for delay, getting in from traveling...giroux i could also see, although to me brinks a bit squarer / more solid on his feet hence jaden schwartz for me. giroux to me is/was slighter and much lighter on his feet. at the end of the day though i think they both speak to seeing the hands and hockey iq that display *potential* high end production. lot of ifs for sure but, depending whats on the board, brink is a guy i like in wpg pick range. for me it also comes down to i'm a huge fan of guys that continue to produce as they jump to higher levels, kids that improve leading into the draft, and most especially kids that show both of those things while being evaluated as guys that have "skating" issues.

should mention by skating issues i specifically mean point producers w/ hockey iq that tend to have great edges/balance, at least decent acceleration, and can maintain puck control/ice awareness in any situation but carry "skating" or "pace" red flags from scouts (usually guys from lower level leagues or kids with fat faces)...i don't mean 6'4 guys like grachev and gropp that have great straight line speed but can't complete a crossover without tipping over - that type i will never understand drafting. you can add power/explosion to a smart hockey player, but you can't add hockey sense to an athletic specimen. you can teach a freak athlete enough to find a role sure if they have the right effort/mindset, but speaking specifically to high end production guys - my personal opinion is the iq and instinct are either there or not at draft day.

Great way of putting it and I agree with all of it.

The big challenge for these guys comes when they move up a notch. Many will get drowning symptoms, they end up fighting really hard just to get the odd breather when having the puck. Of the guys that do make it, its often the players that not only are good or great at buying themselves time with the puck -- its the ones that are the best at just that.

In Juniors, its often the top end skill that is on display. I.e. what you can do with the puck -- after you have created time and space for yourself with. Matt Barzal is a great example of this. He scored 85 effin pts in his rookie season in the NHL, but he wasn't uber dominant in the WHL. Think he was 3rd and 5th in PPGs his last two seasons. Button had him in the middle of the pack in terms of top 50 prospects outside the NHL. Many can be as good as him with the puck with time, but not many can create time for themselves in the same manner. Brayden Point is another one. 92 pts this last season.
 
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Either Kreider is able to discuss an extension or we flip our #20, say to the yotes at 14 for argument sake, and a conditional pick in 2020 if he signs. 3rd becomes a 1st. I have a hard time seeing him traded at the draft though. Maybe a player trade after free agency shakes out.
I'd hope Kreider had more value than just moving up 6 spots in the draft.
 
I'd hope Kreider had more value than just moving up 6 spots in the draft.
No, I said flip the picks and a conditional pick next year contingent on if he signs. The point I was driving at is if he isnt extended at the time of the trade (agreement in place technically) the value will have to be in the future.
 
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