Speculation: Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part IX (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)
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offdacrossbar
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gonna go off the rails here and say i think raph lavoie has the biggest boom potential in the mid 1st round of any of the forwards.
the narrative on this kid has been written in granite it seems. older, lazy, disinterested, so-so motor, etc etc. seems many teams wont draft for some reason. i think that's a mistake.
i just don't see the holes i guess. defensively, he was engaged every time i watch him and certainly in the playoffs. even this regular season he was active and responsible defensively and seemed to answer those critics that said he was only a 1 way player who didn't play hard away from the puck.
offensively, this kid is a juggernaut. size, speed, hands, smart, everything. hes a horse. i see a young rick nash in there. a guy who is bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else. and his shot is right up there with any in the draft.
his playoffs were filthy. he was, in a word, unstoppable.
at 20 ?? if newhook and the other forwards are gone, sure, i take the kid and if he booms, you have the steal of the draft.
the narrative on this kid has been written in granite it seems. older, lazy, disinterested, so-so motor, etc etc. seems many teams wont draft for some reason. i think that's a mistake.
i just don't see the holes i guess. defensively, he was engaged every time i watch him and certainly in the playoffs. even this regular season he was active and responsible defensively and seemed to answer those critics that said he was only a 1 way player who didn't play hard away from the puck.
offensively, this kid is a juggernaut. size, speed, hands, smart, everything. hes a horse. i see a young rick nash in there. a guy who is bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else. and his shot is right up there with any in the draft.
his playoffs were filthy. he was, in a word, unstoppable.
at 20 ?? if newhook and the other forwards are gone, sure, i take the kid and if he booms, you have the steal of the draft.
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Isn’t that exactly the issue when you describe him as bigger stronger faster than everyone else when he’s playing junior hockey? How’s that going to translate to the pros where’s it’s exponentially harder to be bigger stronger faster than everyone and produce offensively?
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I think it all depends on context.
The risk/reward factor changes as the conversation shifts from taking him in the top 10 vs. top 15 vs. top 20 vs top 25.
For me, I've seen a lot of kids with very similar approaches to him over the last 20 years. Some have made it, some haven't.
Being an older prospect I don't think I'm quite as sold on the boom potential, though there's a good runway there if he puts a lot of the tools together.
Mac n Gs
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Just get me Tomasino at 20 if they’re not moving up for someone like Newhook or Zegras
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Was in the city this weekend for a concert, and met up with some old friends for a few drinks. Nothing too earth shattering to report.
- Still a desire to move up. No word on options or likelihood.
- Names that have come up in multiple conversations (no real surprises): Krebs, Seider, Broberg, Afanasyev. Apparently a lot of love for Krebs.
- Rangers would like more depth on defense, with a key focus on mobility, mobility, mobility. Getting to the puck and getting it out of the zone.
- Rangers monitoring the price on Trouba, but there is uncertainty as to whether they want to try to match teams looking for a playoff run.
- Interested in Panarin, but not sure there aren't a couple of dark horse teams in the mix.
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Confirmed: Tankathon has sources inside MSG.
I don't trade up for him. but if we sit at #20 he's definitely a name to consider if someone doesn't fall.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I'll paraphrase two quotes from the evening:
"If Krebs played on Vancouver, Saskatoon or Lethbridge, he scores 30+ goals, 80+ points, and is in the top 10."
"Don't judge his offensive potential by the WHL numbers. He's got the tools to score as a pro and is a big-game player."
Coming away from those conversations, I'm not as sure Zegras and Newhook are targets. They very well could be, but I'm thinking it might be Cozens, Caufield and/or Krebs. Cozens I knew they liked from about 6 months back.
Still love the US program. I think York is a possibility for 20. I think McCarthy could be someone they eye in the second.
Dorofyev is def. on the radar - @Amazing Kreiderman
The Q is def. not off the table, despite history. Pelletier is a name that's come up.
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Edge
Kris King's Ghost
the optimist in me is preparing for a 1st round where the last of the top centers goes at 16/17 and seider goes at 18 and we are unable to move up from 20 lol
Oscar Lindberg
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McCarthy would be a good get in the second round. Right handed, BU kid. Let him marinate in college for a few years
Afanasyev is also an interesting one
Honestly, if you can get Kakko, a center with the other 1st round pick, and a D like McCarthy/Vlasic/Kokkonen/Honka in the second, that would be ideal
Afanasyev is also an interesting one
Honestly, if you can get Kakko, a center with the other 1st round pick, and a D like McCarthy/Vlasic/Kokkonen/Honka in the second, that would be ideal
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offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
if york or seider - prob gone by 15, are targets at 20 i will come away from this draft feeling rather blah. and if we "move up" for a dman, ill be very unhappy.
the forward depth in this organization is lacking as is the roster forward depth. its just average.
defensively, although not stacked, we are in pretty good shape. there will be opportunities in the 2nd round to snag a dman who can both skate and play D.
at 20 there will be an impact forward available and that forward may still fall well within the BPA range. and if we move up, taking a forward gets u a very good player in that 12-15 range.
unless we do move up, realistically at 20 we should be looking at forwards with speed, offensive tools and smarts. size matters not to me, in fact, it matters nothing.
and there will be players there who fit that bill.
the forward depth in this organization is lacking as is the roster forward depth. its just average.
defensively, although not stacked, we are in pretty good shape. there will be opportunities in the 2nd round to snag a dman who can both skate and play D.
at 20 there will be an impact forward available and that forward may still fall well within the BPA range. and if we move up, taking a forward gets u a very good player in that 12-15 range.
unless we do move up, realistically at 20 we should be looking at forwards with speed, offensive tools and smarts. size matters not to me, in fact, it matters nothing.
and there will be players there who fit that bill.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Well, we all have our fantasy lists, but we're not getting everyone on the list --- which I know everyone already accepts.
But I am starting to get the outline of how they're coming up with different paths to different returns.
I see different combos and scenarios with Krebs, Broberg, Seider, York, Dorofyev, Pelletier, McCarthy, Johnson, etc. depending on who might slip outside of the top 10, who might be there in the early/mid teens, who might be there at 20, whether they have two second round picks, one pick, or none, etc.
Could be scenarios where they want to go:
2. Kakko
14. Krebs/Broberg
20. Seider/York/Pelletier/Dorofyev/Tomasino
Second Round:
McCarthy
Johnson
Something along those lines, with some guys I slotted at 20 being someone they might take higher, things of that nature.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Amazing Kreiderman
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For the people who are interested... Some talk about the combine
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Reliable. They are following him and like him.
Now I can't tell you if they like him top 10, top 15, or top 60 - I don't know. But he's a name that interests them.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
i do believe the target is a true pivot. someone they see as a building block. they have mika. they need his successor in place in 2 yrs or so.
still believe they are lurking on newhook as their own barzal. if they cannot move up to take him, krebs would make sense as he is another true center but again, hes hovering top 10. gonna be tough.
cozens is out of play imo. no way hes avail in our range and i think he projects on the edge as a pro.
ill throw out a kid to keep an eye on. connor mcmichel. high end smarts, wheels and playmaking and he has a plus shot. has all the tools. needs to get stronger but skills wise, hes close to many in the top 20.
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I've heard Newhook is definitely on the list of trade up targets and i know Heinola is monitored closely for #20.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
And keeping in mind that it's not like I have typed list front of me. So there going to be names that just aren't coming up in conversations. So there are plenty of guys who I am sure are being eyed.
And obviously some guys carry a high probability of being out of range. So the Rangers might really like Cozens, but they aren't likely to get close to him. But you also never know what the future holds and they'll want their notes for down the line - even if it's five years from now.
I wouldn't have wanted Krebs at 6, but I think the value is there for a teens pick. In the Rangers case it might come down to having Krebs + Seider vs. Newhook/Zegras/Cozens. It's been said for a while the Rangers want quality over quanity, but could find themselves in a scenario where they are significantly more content to take two prospects they rated 85 over one prospect they rated 88.
I will say that having an extra first, depending on if they move Kreider/target a first as part of that deal, changes the conversation. That's potentially an additional guy from their short list.
TheBloodyNine
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Dorofeyev at 20 would be a dream come true. It would be back to back years with the Rangers picking who I want.
TheBloodyNine
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