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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part III

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Lion Hound said:
ISS Posted up March Rankings a few days ago. Not sure if it was posted on the thread.

ISS Hockey Releases ISS Top 31 for March, Rankings of the Top Prospects for the 2019 NHL Draft - ISS Hockey

ISS TOP 10

Hughes
Kaapo
Byram <-- Highest i've seen Byram, but I like the player
Podkolzin <--I have him 3, but i think he falls to 7-10 range. Screams NYR pick to me.
Cozens
Dach
Boldy
Zegras
Turcotte <--I have Turcotte higher then most at 4
Lavoie <--Over Krebs? Hmmmm!

Was a surprised about their take on Lavoie, but Dennis Mackinnes loves the guy...

“Raphael has a great package of size, skating and skill – he has great offensive instincts and has been tearing up the QMJHL with 24 points in just 12 games; he has worked hard to improve his consistency and as a result his confidence has grown and he’s now starting to take his game to the next level. Raphael has pro-level release on his shot and projects as a top-six forward with offensive upside.”
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Lavoie is the only one of the supposed top 15 that I want no part of.
 
broadwayblue said:
What do you guys think about Podkolzin? Seems like there is a bit of disagreement on where he should go. I've seen him as high as 4 and as low as 14.
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Good question.

I had him at 3 for a good chunk of the year, but have since dropped him a few slots. Still in my top 6, but there are concerns.

The talent is there. From a pure talent standpoint, I think he's the second among wings and third among forwards overall. If you think Kakko is a center, he slides into the top spot for talent on the wings.

But, the sum this year has not quite been equal to the parts. It hasn't been bad, but it hasn't made him the clear-cut third best prospect in this draft --- and you can argue Podkolzin should be firmly in that spot.

But when he's on, he's arguably one of the most electric players in this draft. The question is how much do you want to gamble on that, with some of the other talent that will be available?

Additionally, there are some mixed signals about his desire to come over to the NHL, at least in the more immediate future.

Regarding the latter, that's might be more of a concern if you're Colorado, or New Jersey, Edmonton, or even Anaheim. But I don't know if it's as big of a concern if you're Detroit, L.A., or New York.

Podkolzin's offensive ceiling might be the third best in the draft, the question is whether teams feel there are other options who have slightly higher probabilities (at the cost of some ceiling).

I don't know if I see him falling out of the top 10, but maybe a mini-fall like Zadina?
 
offdacrossbar said:
its all academic tbh

byram and cozens and dach and turcotte are all off the board if we end up with the 9th pick.

i think we all need to start focusing on those players we believe will be available when we realistically step up.

7-10 range sadly.

so lets talk about whos gonna be there realistically.
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Two American kids, Boldy and Zegras I think will both be available when we pick. I'd be thrilled with either one.
 
For what it's worth, Carp just mentioned in his live chat that he thinks the Rangers are going to target a "scoring forward" with their pick this year. Hmm....
 
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Edge said:
Good question.

I had him at 3 for a good chunk of the year, but have since dropped him a few slots. Still in my top 6, but there are concerns.

The talent is there. From a pure talent standpoint, I think he's the second among wings and third among forwards overall. If you think Kakko is a center, he slides into the top spot for talent on the wings.

But, the sum this year has not quite been equal to the parts. It hasn't been bad, but it hasn't made him the clear-cut third best prospect in this draft --- and you can argue Podkolzin should be firmly in that spot.

But when he's on, he's arguably one of the most electric players in this draft. The question is how much do you want to gamble on that, with some of the other talent that will be available?

Additionally, there are some mixed signals about his desire to come over to the NHL, at least in the more immediate future.

Regarding the latter, that's might be more of a concern if you're Colorado, or New Jersey, Edmonton, or even Anaheim. But I don't know if it's as big of a concern if you're Detroit, L.A., or New York.

Podkolzin's offensive ceiling might be the third best in the draft, the question is whether teams feel there are other options who have slightly higher probabilities (at the cost of some ceiling).

I don't know if I see him falling out of the top 10, but maybe a mini-fall like Zadina?
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Thanks. I was wondering if he would be a guy we would give serious consideration to if we were picking around 7th.
 
Hankenstein said:
Lavoie is the only one of the supposed top 15 that I want no part of.
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I agree. I don't think he's top 15.

Rankingare al over the place with this kid. Lots of uncertainty.

CS Now has him #23
The Hockey News #29
Pronman #18
Hockey Prospect #28
Craig Button #14
Steve K #13
 
Edge said:
Which makes sense, because there's only one defenseman I would consider taking in the top 10.
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The part that interested me was that he really emphasized the "scoring" part of the answer. I can see Cozens, Boldy, Kaliyev, and Caufield fitting that bill. Zegras, Turcotte, Krebs, and Dach are more two way/playmaker types.
 
Lion Hound said:
I agree. I don't think he's top 15.

Rankingare al over the place with this kid. Lots of uncertainty.

CS Now has him #23
The Hockey News #29
Pronman #18
Hockey Prospect #28
Craig Button #14
Steve K #13
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He's one of the only kids I'm really not sold on who is sometimes listed higher in this draft. There's talent there, but there's a lot of Steve Bernier there. And just like 2003, this isn't a draft I want to come away with someone like Steve Bernier as my top pick.

In the 20s? Yeah, I'd consider him.

I'm the first to admit that I'm not typically a huge fan of a lot of prospects in the Q, so I won't deny there's some inherent bias that might be coming into play. But when I see Lavoie, I see a kid who plays a very junior-style game, and who is both older and bigger than a lot of his competition. When I've seen him, I haven't come away thinking he looks like a likely top 6 winger in the NHL.
 
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Zegras is intriguing but very slight. There are a lot more small wingers who have success in the NHL than small pivots.
 
I Eat Crow said:
Why? The kid has dynamic skills. He's very similar in style to Dylan Larkin. I'd be thrilled with him.
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Everything I’ve seen about Boldy reads like he’s an excellent complimentary player, but the high end upside isn’t there.

I just think there will be guys with more upside available at our spot. I’d MUCH rather grab Krebs, Zegras, or even Kaliyev, for example.
 
MahomesIsGod said:
Everything I’ve seen about Boldy reads like he’s an excellent complimentary player, but the high end upside isn’t there
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That is still a top line player. Laine is a complimentary player. As is Kreider. Both are first line players. If you draft a kid in the first round, and he develops into a top line player, you have done your job.
 
True Blue said:
That is still a top line player. Laine is a complimentary player. As is Kreider. Both are first line players. If you draft a kid in the first round, and he develops into a top line player, you have done your job.
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I think comparing Laine to Boldy is extremely disingenious. Do you think Boldy is a future 40 goal scorer? Do you think he’ll score 40 as a teen? Otherwise, a ridiculous comparison.

Kreider makes a LOT more sense. Even then, I’d argue that his potential upside when drafted was greater than Boldy’s. Boldy seems like a guy who’s good at everything and not particularly fantastic in a specific area. He certainly sounds very similar to one our recent top picks that people never quit complaining about...
 
1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Dach
4. Byram
5. Turcotte
6. Cozens
7. Krebs
8. Podz
9. Zegras
10. Boldy

We can get one of these players... So, I'm happy-ish.. Trading back up for fringe/HR potential players, like Caufield/Newhook, would be nice

If we don't win the lotto, I'd be willing to have Gorton trade up to get his guy in the 3-5 position.
 
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duhmetreE said:
1. Hughes
2. Kakko
3. Dach
4. Byram
5. Turcotte
6. Cozens
7. Krebs
8. Podz
9. Zegras
10. Boldy

We can get one of these players... So, I'm happy-ish.. Trading back up for fringe/HR potential players, like Caufield/Newhook, would be nice

If we don't win the lotto, I'd be willing to have Gorton trade up to get his guy in the 3-5 position.
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If we can get Cozens at 6 that would be a great get, no?
 
Edge said:
He's one of the only kids I'm really not sold on who is sometimes listed higher in this draft. There's talent there, but there's a lot of Steve Bernier there. And just like 2003, this isn't a draft I want to come away with someone like Steve Bernier as my top pick.

In the 20s? Yeah, I'd consider him.

I'm the first to admit that I'm not typically a huge fan of a lot of prospects in the Q, so I won't deny there's some inherent bias that might be coming into play. But when I see Lavoie, I see a kid who plays a very junior-style game, and who is both older and bigger than a lot of his competition. When I've seen him, I haven't come away thinking he looks like a likely top 6 winger in the NHL.
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During the top prospects game, the commentators really talked him up. Kept saying that he is like a workout freak, and in the offseason i think they said he and maybe Krebs were consistently in the gym.

Im not opposed to him with a late pick, but i dont think he's top 15 at all.
 
Lion Hound said:
During the top prospects game, the commentators really talked him up. Kept saying that he is like a workout freak, and in the offseason i think they said he and maybe Krebs were consistently in the gym.

Im not opposed to him with a late pick, but i dont think he's top 15 at all.
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I'd consider Krebs in the teens. Just not in the top 10.
 
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