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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part III

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We can talk about BPA, but when do you do when 5 of your top picks 15 prospects are LDs? And 1-2 are wingers? You use 3 LDd and 8 wingers.
 
Edge said:
I've always believed that you'll get better value by having more talent in fewer position then you will by having less talent in more positions.
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but what really separates say, Byram from Turcotte? If you believe one has top pair potential and one has first line potential, with similar grades, who do you take?

I really feel this teams needs offense/forwards.
 
duhmetreE said:
but what really separates say, Byram from Turcotte? If you believe one has topD potential and one has first line potential, having similar grades, who do you take?

I really feel this teams needs offense/forwards.
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Very much depends on how you rate them.

I think Byram is more a bit more likely to be a top pair defenseman, that Turcotte a first line center. So for me, I'd take Byram.

But to your specific point, assuming they are rated equal by the Rangers, I'm just not sure it comes down to position for them.

I think Turcotte is to Chytil what Byram is to Miller.

But if we're concerned about the whole LHD defenseman aspect, I'd argue we don't have a bunch of guys near Byram's ceiling and odds. Maybe Miller?

And if we're going to go down that path, then we can't dismiss the presence of Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson or Howden at center. I'd argue that those guys would make a better case for not taking one of the top ranked centers than Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov and company make for not taking the one of the highest ranked left handed defenseman. And I say that with the belief that the prospects we have at center are better than the prospects we have at LHD.

So, in a nutshell, if Andersson/Zibanejad/Chytil/Howden aren't reason enough to pass on a center, than the guys we have at LHD certainly aren't enough to pass on a defenseman.
 
Lion Hound said:
Im assuming the Rangers will have a good bead on Peyton Krebs when the draft rolls around. They have some familiar faces in Kootenay, to use as a reference. Former NY Ranger James Patrick is currently coaching the Ice. James Patrick, and Lindy Ruff coached the Sabres together for 7 seasons. Kootenay currently has 3 draft eligible players that are ranked by Central scouting so i'm sure at some point the Rangers have sent Konowalchuk there to get a good look. Makaj, Muir and Krebs all draft eligible and ranked in this years draft.

James Patrick has this to say about Krebs...
"he best resembles an 18-year-old Jonathan Toews."



Steve K
He’s incredibly smart with or without the puck, and Krebs thrives under pressure, especially late in games. He’s a very good skater with excellent balance and agility, and his ability to turn quickly and react towards the right direction makes him an asset in all three zones.

Dobber Prospects
"The supremely skilled forward is elusive and shifty with the puck. Takes creative lines to dangerous areas of the ice. The type of player that sees plays develop before those around him and uses that to exploit the opposition. Owns terrific puck skills."

Sportsnet Cosetino
"Takes a pro mentality to the ice regardless of game or practice. Well-rounded player who drives the play and makes others around him better."

Craig Button
"Highly competitive with a relentless determination and finds ways to make contributions in all areas of the game."
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Not enough love for this guy.

Screams Ranger pick.
 
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Edge said:
Very much depends on how you rate them.

I think Byram is more a bit more likely to be a top pair defenseman, that Turcotte a first line center. So for me, I'd take Byram.

But to your specific point, assuming they are rated equal by the Rangers, I'm just not sure it comes down to position for them.

I think Turcotte is to Chytil what Byram is to Miller.

But if we're concerned about the whole LHD defenseman aspect, I'd argue we don't have a bunch of guys near Byram's ceiling and odds. Maybe Miller?

And if we're going to go down that path, then we can't dismiss the presence of Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson or Howden at center. I'd argue that those guys would make a better case for not taking one of the top ranked centers than Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov and company make for not taking the one of the highest ranked left handed defenseman. And I say that with the belief that the prospects we have at center are better than the prospects we have at LHD.

So, in a nutshell, if Andersson/Zibanejad/Chytil/Howden aren't reason enough to pass on a center, than the guys we have at LHD certainly aren't enough to pass on a defenseman.
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To be fair, those players can move to wing and Andersson and Howden are the only center options IMO

Maybe a player like Zegras would interest the Rangers then, who has experience at C/W.

I guess it's all moot until the lottery takes place
 
would be perfectly happy with Krebs in the 7-10 range

Definitely an excellent prospect. Big fan of the top ten this season. I liked last season's top 10 and this one seems noticeably better (outside of Dahlin who is the best player by a deceny margin IMO)
 
duhmetreE said:
To be fair, those players can move to wing and Andersson and Howden are the only center options IMO

Maybe a player like Zegras would interest the Rangers then, who has experience at C/W.

I guess it's all moot until the lottery takes place
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For me, the only real comparable at LHD when talking about Byram, is Miller. So, one guy.

For me, if Byram and Miller force decisions about guys like Lindgren, Skjei, Hajek, Rykov and anyone else with a vowel in their name, I'm pretty okay with that.

Now, if we had a Byram and a Miller already in the system, I'm probably leaning forward if all things are equal.

But we don't have that. The current group of players we have at LHD, while very nice, are not a solid enough reason for me to not take a guy like Byram (depending on the details).
 
MahomesIsGod said:
would be perfectly happy with Krebs in the 7-10 range

Definitely an excellent prospect. Big fan of the top ten this season. I liked last season's top 10 and this one seems noticeably better (outside of Dahlin who is the best player by a deceny margin IMO)
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I like Krebs, but not as much as some other names out there and that will be out there in the 7-10 range.

I'm not sure the his ceiling is quite on the level of some of those guys.
 
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Edge said:
For me, the only real comparable at LHD when talking about Byram, is Miller. So, one guy.

For me, if Byram and Miller force decisions about guys like Lindgren, Skjei, Hajek, Rykov and anyone else with a vowel in their name, I'm pretty okay with that.

Now, if we had a Byram and a Miller already in the system, I'm probably leaning forward if all things are equal.

But we don't have that. The current group of players we have at LHD, while very nice, are not a solid enough reason for me to not take a guy like Byram (depending on the details).
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I'm not disagreeing.

It's not secret the two best teams in the league have a solid d-corp ALONG WITH offensive talent. We have a ways to go. ( landing a Kucherov, Point, Gaudreau would help ) Those teams are great at finding NHL players past the first round
 
Edge said:
I like Krebs, but not as much as some other names out there and that will be out there in the 7-10 range.

I'm not sure the his ceiling is quite on the level of some of those guys.
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I think outside of size, he's the total package.

The skating is very good, the skill level is better than it gets credit for, the IQ is there, the motor/compete is there. I see a guy who has a pretty significant ceiling (Perhaps not on Cozens/Dach level) with a much higher floor and truth be told, I don't know how much lower the ceiling is.

I wouldn't take him ahead of Hughes, Kakko or Cozens but you'd have a tough time convincing me that he isn't on the level of the other forwards in this draft.

I have fewer reseverations with him than I do with the other top forwards in the draft.
 
duhmetreE said:
It's not secret the two best teams in the league have a solid d-corp ALONG WITH offensive talent. We have a ways to go. ( landing a Kucherov, Point, Gaudreau would help ) Those teams are great at finding NHL players past the first round
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Last couple of years aside, the Rangers have been pretty good at identifying players in the 2nd round.
 
Edge said:
I like Krebs, but not as much as some other names out there and that will be out there in the 7-10 range.

I'm not sure the his ceiling is quite on the level of some of those guys.
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Some people see Giroux or Huberdeau. I see Jason Zucker.
 
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What do ya’ll think of Zegras?

I barely see the guy talked about here, he’s ranked pretty highly and it seems like his potential is up there with Dach/Cozens maybe.
 
True Blue said:
Last couple of years aside, the Rangers have been pretty good at identifying players in the 2nd round.
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You're talking about Stepan? the last decade....

2008- Derek Stepan yay
2009- Ethan Werek
2010- Christian Thomas over Toffoli and Zucker
2011- Traded both are 2nd rounders for Tim Erixon?, no Kucherov :(
2012- Boo Nieves
2013- no picks
2014- Brandon Halverson, no Point :(
2015- Ryan Gropp
2016- no picks
2017- no picks
2018- Olof Lindbom

That's not enough. With the resources the organization has, we should be doing much better. We should be the ones finding the gems mid-late round

If we want to contend for a cup, our drafting needs to be near the best in the league.
 
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