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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part III

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Berserk said:
Anybody have any opinions on Cam York?
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I like him a lot, he’s easily the best American defenseman this year

He’s got a pretty good shot, skates well and can make very clean outlet passes.

I hate to compare these prospects to a current NHL player at this stage but I could foresee him being a Keith Yandle-esque player in his prime.

He would easily slot in as the teams 2/3rd best D prospect, with Miller being first and Lundkvist being 2nd or 3rd

I would like him even more if he was right handed, but you take what you can get
 
As for a draft strategy, I’m assuming they’ll have two 1sts in this draft. Ideally if you can stay in the top 10 that would give you a shot at Turcotte/Krebs/Cozens/Dach/Zegras

I’d rather they take a center, it’s easier to find defensemen later in the first and second round. But I could understand and would be fine with Byram if they took him with their first pick

Based on today’s rankings, if you walk out of the first round with Turcotte and say Dorofeyev/Brink/Helleson, I’d feel pretty good

Plus there are some guys I like in that second that may be there, like a couple of the Finn and American defenders, as well as some forwards like Puistola and Cajkovic
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
As for a draft strategy, I’m assuming they’ll have two 1sts in this draft. Ideally if you can stay in the top 10 that would give you a shot at Turcotte/Krebs/Cozens/Dach/Zegras

I’d rather they take a center, it’s easier to find defensemen later in the first and second round. But I could understand and would be fine with Byram if they took him with their first pick

Based on today’s rankings, if you walk out of the first round with Turcotte and say Dorofeyev/Brink/Helleson, I’d feel pretty good

Plus there are some guys I like in that second that may be there, like a couple of the Finn and American defenders, as well as some forwards like Puistola and Cajkovic
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Why Helleson? He’s not even the second best USNTDP defenseman (or the third but that can be debatable)
 
Lays said:
Why Helleson? He’s not even the second best USNTDP defenseman (or the third but that can be debatable)
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I like his game, but I was just throwing out a name that would be available late in the first.

York is easily the best US development program D, Vlasic is probably second. But your point is fair
 
And if by some chance the team wins the 3rd overall pick, gun to my head I’m taking Turcotte

Think he will be the best forward after Hughes and Kakko.

I’m excited to see him at the combine, I’ve heard reports he’s bigger than the USDP lists him at, and he’s closer to 6’1 instead of his listed 5’11.

Let him go tear up Wisconsin for a year or two with Miller and sign them both
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
I like his game, but I was just throwing out a name that would be available late in the first.

York is easily the best US development program D, Vlasic is probably second. But your point is fair
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Helleson would be likely available in the early 3rd round

York definitely is the best
I’d have it York, Thrun, Vlasic, Helleson, Warren, McCarthy for the USA dmen. Vlasic and Thrun are a wash though, Helleson isn’t far behind
 
Another guy the Rangers are probably getting a look at is Logan Barlage. Plays with Cozens in Lethbridge. Last time I checked he was playing in the 3C slot.

Taken 4th overall in the WHL Bantam draft after Krebs, Dach, and Byram. Kid had some gaudy numbers in AAA and has been pretty up and down in his time in the Dub. Some folks have told me he's having an under-the-radar year and could wind up on some team's lists around the end of the 3rd / early 4th round. Rangers seem to like to roll the dice on kids who were highly rated but haven't quite put it all together yet.
 
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The Rangers have spent a lot of time in the WHL this season --- a lot.

Totally understandable, they want to turn over as many rocks as possible on some of the kids out there, while also seeing if someone with less fanfare catches their eyes.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
And if by some chance the team wins the 3rd overall pick, gun to my head I’m taking Turcotte

Think he will be the best forward after Hughes and Kakko.

I’m excited to see him at the combine, I’ve heard reports he’s bigger than the USDP lists him at, and he’s closer to 6’1 instead of his listed 5’11.

Let him go tear up Wisconsin for a year or two with Miller and sign them both
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He's definitely in the mix. That damn injury, and strong play from others in his range have somewhat stolen the spotlight. But he's a legit prospect.
 
Lion Hound said:
For me it’s always BPA. Don’t believe in drafting by position. I think it’s more relevant in the NFL then it is in the NHL. Here’s my top 15 as of now. I would be happy with any of these players with the Rangers first pick of round 1. If the pick falls within the top 10, which there is a good chance i would love to see either Turcotte or Krebs. I just want to stay in the mindset that lotto 3 are just a tad out of reach. I think the club finishes 8-12 somewhere.

My ranks below are not where I believe each player will be drafted. While I have Podkolzin at 3, I do think it is not only possible, but even likely that #19 slides a bit for the Russian factor. Would he slide to 8-12? Probably not, but anything can happen. I also feel that Cozens and Dach will go higher then where I have them on my list. Early favs for the 8-12 range are definitely Turcotte and Krebs.
  1. Hughes
  2. Kakko
  3. Podkolzin
  4. Turcotte
  5. Zegras
  6. Cozens
  7. Byram
  8. Krebs
  9. Dach
  10. Boldy
  11. Newhook
  12. Soderstrom
  13. Caufield
  14. Robertson
  15. Kaliyev
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I feel. as though, the Russian factor is outdated in today's NHL in regards to top end prospects like Podkolzin. With that said, I could see him drop due to that interview he had earlier in the year stating that he's going to take his time developing and then signed a 3 year extension with SKA (which could backfire on him).

I do believe he is a top 10 talent that hasn't had much luck on the score sheet, but realistically I could see him being selected outside of the top 10, maybe even top 20. But who knows? Denisenko was primarily playing in the MHL and was selected at No. 15....
 
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I’ll admit there’s part of me that is a little scared with taking Turcotte or Zegras in the top 10.

They’re both good players, but in a grouping that includes some potential first line players, there’s this flicker of doubt that whispers “second line centers” in my ear.

Potentially very good second line centers, but I’m just not sure I take either ahead of Dach or Cozens.

Then there’s the Hughes factor. His presence reverberates up and down that lineup, including who his second line centers have to go up against and the room they have to operate.

You could argue that Turcotte and Zegras have avoided having the expectations of carrying a team - something the other top centers, and many of the top players have had to do (and done well).

Then there’s fact that Zegras so easily slid right into Turcotte’s spot, it was almost as if you could ignore the name and number on the jersey and nothing had changed.

Granted, sometimes that happens. But it’s so rare that it happens that nonchalantly, without there being more there.

I’m not going to lie, it gives me pause.
 
Updated mocks with updated NYR picks....

2019 NHL Mock Draft & Simulator | Tankathon

1 (9) C/LW: Peyton Krebs (CAN)(5'11"/181lbs., Shot: Left, Kootenay/WHL)
1 (28) LW: Nolan Foote (CAN)(6'3"/187lbs., Shot: Left, Kelowna/WHL)
1 (31) D: Alex Vlasic (USA)(6'6"/192lbs., Shot: Left, USNTDP/USHL) *20/21 Boston U. Commit*

2019 NHL Mock Draft | 2019 NHL Draft | NHL Draft

1 (9) C/LW: Peyton Krebs (CAN)(5'11"/181lbs., Shot: Left, Kootenay/WHL)
1 (24) D: Anttoni Honka (FIN)(5'10"/176lbs., Shot: Right, Jukurit/Liiga)
1 (31) C/RW: Albin Grewe (SWE)(6'0"/176lbs., Shot: Left, Djurgardens/SHL)

2019 NHL Mock Draft - NHL - DraftSite.com

1 (9) C: Alex Turcotte (USA)(5'11"/194lbs., Shot: Left, USNTDP/USHL) *19/20 U. of Wisconsin Commit*
1 (24) RW: Nathan Legare (CAN)(6'0"/196lbs., Shot: Right, Baie-Comeau/QMJHL)
1 (31) D: Vladislov Kolyachonok (BLR)(6'2"/181lbs., Shot: Left, Flint/OHL)
2 (40) LW: Maxim Cajkovic (SVK)(5'11"/187lbs., Shot: Right, Saint Johns/QMJHL)
2 (47) LW: Patrik Puistola (FIN)(6'0"/170lbs., Shot: Left, Tappara/Liiga)
3 (71) RW: Shane Pinto (USA)(6'2"/185lbs., Shot: Right, Tri-City/USHL) *19/20 U. of North Dakota Commit*
4 (115) LW: Michael Gildon (USA)(6'1"/194lbs., Shot: Left, USNTDP/USHL) *19/20 Ohio State Commit*
5 (133) LW: Nicholas Porco (CAN)(6'0"/176lbs., Shot: Left, Saginaw/OHL)
6 (164) LW: Brooklyn Kalmikov (CAN)(6'0"/170lbs., Shot: Left, Cape Breton/QMJHL)
7 (208) LW/RW: Lucas Edmonds (SWE)(5'11"/165lbs., Shot: Right, Karlskrona/Allsvenskan)

I would be pretty okay with this draft class. Turcotte at No. 9 is solid and definitely helps with future center depth. I think Legare is underrated, but a bit of a reach at No. 24. Could be a nice utility guy down the road with a good work ethic and shot. Kolyachonok is a mobile defender with really good awareness of the open ice and has good stick handling. Defensively, can get lost out there. He's one of the few bright spots on Flint, but not enough to be picked in the 1st, IMO. Another reach here. Good gambles on Cajkovic, Puistola, Pinto, Gildon and Porco. Don't like Kalmikov. Haven't seen Edmonds.

Thoughts?
 
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Could see as many as 5 WHL kids go in the top-10 this year between Dach, Cozens, Byram, Krebs and possibly Robertson if a team really likes him. Then you have Foote, Leason, Korczak, and Thomson as guys who could go anywhere in the mid-to-late first /early 2nd where the Rangers could be stacked up with extra picks.
 
If the Rangers end up in the 5 to 7 range, I'd actually look to trade down a couple of spots and see if anyone would cough up another late 1st or high 2nd rounder to do it.

The gap between the second and third tier of prospects is starting to narrow for me.

Hughes, Kakko, Dach, and Cozens are looking like a pretty solid top 4 unless someone goes crazy. Byram would be the next player in my ranking, but it depends on who's picking in those spots; I can see him dropping out of the top 5. The top end of this draft is very forward heavy. The difference between a player like Podzolkin and Turcotte, Zegras, or Krebs has really narrowed in the last two months or so. A lot of it is Podzolkin's shabby stats and KHL contract status and the others playing really well and increasing their stock. It's not too crazy to say Podzolkin may drop out of the top 10. Whoever is patient with him is going to get a heck of a player, though.

Say the Rangers are picking 7th overall and they really like one of those three aforementioned forwards. I'd take another pick to trade down a couple of spots to use later on as currency to move up from the Winnipeg 1st to snag a player that they really like, similar to what was done to take Miller last year.
 
After last nights game, here is where Fagemo ranks among the top-50 ES scorers in the SHL:

Goals: 7th (11 G)
Points: 12th (21 P)

G/60: 3rd (1.52)
P/60: 2nd (2.90, NYR legend Michael Lindqvist is 1st with 2.91)
iSF/60: 5th (9.79)
iFF/60: 3rd (13.79)

For reference, Elias Pettersson had 1.52 G/60, 3.03 P/60, 7.28 iSF/60 and 11.23 iFF/60 in the regular season last year.
 
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Here are the top D+1 seasons in the SHL in terms of ES P/60 since 2006-07 (ESTOI data only goes so far back):

PlayerTeamGPESTOI/GPG/60P/60iSF/60iFF/60GNHLePNHLe
Elias PetterssonVäxjö4413:291.523.037.2811.230.971.93
Samuel FagemoFrölunda3612:051.522.909.7913.790.971.85
William NylanderMODO2116:101.242.835.838.480.791.80
Magnus Pääjärvi-SvenssonTimrå4914:350.922.1811.3414.690.591.39
Nicklas BäckströmBrynäs4512:200.542.055.628.760.341.31
Jakub VranaLinköping4412:541.062.019.2014.480.671.28
Mika ZibanejadDjurgården2613:160.701.917.8312.000.441.22
Andreas JohnsonFrölunda4411:561.141.838.5712.000.731.17
Jesper FasthHV713611:080.751.804.196.590.481.15
Lias AnderssonFrölunda2212:300.651.756.988.950.421.11
Kevin FialaHV712013:220.451.356.289.650.290.86
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 
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@BlueBlooded.......re:to fwiw you shared. Thanks, kind of knew that actually. I posted there. Funny, the majority says to hell with that 1st.......while some Rangers fans feel the same, and want him back. Shows, the overall package Zuccha brings.
He and Hank have to rank #1 & #2 most liked/most respected players in the league. I know I am partial but.....I may be right.
I cannot even think of one.......being close. Can you?
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
As for a draft strategy, I’m assuming they’ll have two 1sts in this draft. Ideally if you can stay in the top 10 that would give you a shot at Turcotte/Krebs/Cozens/Dach/Zegras

I’d rather they take a center, it’s easier to find defensemen later in the first and second round. But I could understand and would be fine with Byram if they took him with their first pick

Based on today’s rankings, if you walk out of the first round with Turcotte and say Dorofeyev/Brink/Helleson, I’d feel pretty good

Plus there are some guys I like in that second that may be there, like a couple of the Finn and American defenders, as well as some forwards like Puistola and Cajkovic
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My 2 cents. Given Rangers need for out and out "talent", then the answer would be an offensive player. (Not gonna be specific here) only alternative for me is.......that that defensive player (Byram?), is a "sure thing, can't miss" player.

My reasoning is (and agree with you) that "most" dmen take time to brew into that "really solid dman", so that makes grabbing a dman HIGH in the draft isn't a necessity and can be had (albeit obviously less talented and more work needed) LOWER in the draft. (Again, pretty much what you stated)

Having a young group of talented dmen fermenting, and ending up with a surplus is a GOOD thing, we all know that......just look how Nashville had committed to that.
What coincides with that is........seems to me that offensive studs are more likely to be available on the market from time to time.
Teams will RARELY allow their stud dmen become available as they usually don't require quite the paycheck and get locked up.
So my pick IS Byram, if there isn't any obvious choice otherwise (Cozens, etc)
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
As for a draft strategy, I’m assuming they’ll have two 1sts in this draft. Ideally if you can stay in the top 10 that would give you a shot at Turcotte/Krebs/Cozens/Dach/Zegras

I’d rather they take a center, it’s easier to find defensemen later in the first and second round. But I could understand and would be fine with Byram if they took him with their first pick

Based on today’s rankings, if you walk out of the first round with Turcotte and say Dorofeyev/Brink/Helleson, I’d feel pretty good

Plus there are some guys I like in that second that may be there, like a couple of the Finn and American defenders, as well as some forwards like Puistola and Cajkovic
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Unless we pick top-5 we won't get Byram. I think he's going top-5. Unless WPG is eliminated early doubt we have a chance at Doro/Brink. Both have been mocked mid 1st.
 
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