Draft and UDFA Thread 2017-18

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I would say Spooner, Namestnikov, and Zuccarello have the highest chance of being dealt. Outside chance that Hayes may be dealt too. I think Gorton would listen on just about anyone else, but the offer would have to be substantial.

I’d throw Buchnevich in as a wild card to be moved.

Should be Zucc and spooner at the very least.
 
Which players are available on the Rangers?
Safe to assume everyone but the only absolute unavailable one is Hank. I’d add that the extremely unlikely to be available group includes Lias, Chytil, Zibanejad, Skjei, and maybe Kreider/Buch.
 
Custance: Examining the trade possibilities of every...

Craig Custance had Corey Pronman on his The Full 60 podcast yesterday. Custance said he checked in with the Rangers to see where they were. He wrote about it today.

That first paragraph doesn’t sound like they’re targeting Farabee, contrary to what some of the more negative posters have said. I’m still predicting Boqvist, with a trade up for Kravtsov.
 
That first paragraph doesn’t sound like they’re targeting Farabee, contrary to what some of the more negative posters have said. I’m still predicting Boqvist, with a trade up for Kravtsov.

I think edge is right in saying Hughes or Tkachuk.

Wahlstrom a possibility as well.
 
If Hughes is there at 6 or Tkachuk is there at 7, I wouldn't mind moving 28/39 respectively to get those players. I imagine the Rangers wouldn't either. I especially see them moving 28 to move up if one of those two goes in the top 5.

I would prefer just getting Boqvist at 9 rather than trading up for Tkachuk, but I'd understand it and wouldn't be terribly upset.

I still kind of hope we somehow manage to end the draft with Hughes and Farabee. Regardless of how the rest of the draft goes, I would be thrilled.
 
Sounds like given those comments it's unlikely we go too off the board with our pick at 9.
I know somepeople look at the prospects acquired through trade last year plus LA as a clear sign we draft safe and tread cautiously. My read is we stocked up with near surefire players and now we are in position to take the risks. And by that I mean go for the high skill player in the top 10 rather than reach for the high floor, low ceiling guy.
 
I know somepeople look at the prospects acquired through trade last year plus LA as a clear sign we draft safe and tread cautiously. My read is we stocked up with near surefire players and now we are in position to take the risks. And by that I mean go for the high skill player in the top 10 rather than reach for the high floor, low ceiling guy.

I’ve been saying the same thing since the trade deadline.
 
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That's interesting.

I understand Mackenzie's appeal; his rankings are pretty much the average of ten highly paid experts' opinions.

There's no doubt McGuire is plugged into hockey prospects like very few men are. Do you find that his assessments are that much more accurate, or is it more a case that he isn't influenced by other prognosticators in the media?

I just think his analyses are interesting when on the draft floor. Sometimes it could be TV fodder, but more often than not he sees the upside/downside and sounds very knowledgeable. I definitely take Bob's word over anyone other than the organization itself, but Pierre isn't bad in regards to prospects.
 
I know somepeople look at the prospects acquired through trade last year plus LA as a clear sign we draft safe and tread cautiously. My read is we stocked up with near surefire players and now we are in position to take the risks. And by that I mean go for the high skill player in the top 10 rather than reach for the high floor, low ceiling guy.

I think the inherent challenge is in how we define high floor/low ceiling.

I think there are a number of guys who have pretty high ceilings, but it’s not the highlight reel play and so others might assume they don’t have that ceiling.

It’s all about how we perceive these things. I think we tend to gloss over a lot of things when we talk about ceiling based on how it “looks” or what we think it might be based on key words we look for.

For me, ceiling is results.

And results is a weird mix of skill, IQ, drive, odds/percentsges, ability to play an NHL level game, an understanding of context in which a prospect is playing prior to turning pro and a lot of other factors.

There are a lot of commentary presented by people that really isn’t backed up by any kind of evidence or with any context.

The more you press them, the more you realize that things tend to fall into one of two categories:

1. They don’t really know why they believe what they believe. It’s like religion — people gravitate toward what sounds good or supports their mindset, but they don’t really think about what it means.

Or

2. They have a different definition of terms we assume are universal. This harkens back to the post I made the other day about BPA and buzz words/phrases like that. You quickly find that while you have the same broad concept in mind, you ultimately view the components of that concept quite differently.

In either case, I think we often have a hard time understanding why there is a difference in how someone can view something so differently.

So we talk about risk and ceilings, but I think those can be abstract terms. We don’t stop to consider that what we view as skill, isn’t what someone else does. Likewise, we don’t always account for the understanding that someone else doesn’t think a certain players upside is the same as we do.

In short, I think it’s a lot more complicated than most people realize and that’s why we follow these things as a hobby and not as an occupation.
 
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Pretty much I’m going to be ecstatic if we draft any of Hughes, Wahlstrom, Boqvist, Bouchard, or Dobson are on the board at 9. If one of them is and we draft Kotkaniemi, Tkachuk, Farabee, Smith, Kravtsov, or Hayton I will be quite frustrated.
 
For me at 9 without moving up (barring anything crazy like trading for #2 or Zadina falling)

Ecstatic: Tkachuk, Hughes, Wahlstrom, Kotkaniemi, Dobson, Kravstov (roughly in that order)

Happy: Boqvist, Bouchard, Farabee

Okay: Ty Smith

Rage: Hayton or any other reach (Noel, Veleno, etc)

Basically anyone on the radar between 3-15 aside from Hayton will make me happy. Hayton would be a nuclear disaster level of pick, and one that legitimately might make me question my undying allegiance to this team.

BUT, I don’t see any reason for us to take Hayton, so I’m not stressing out about it.
 
For me at 9 without moving up (barring anything crazy like trading for #2 or Zadina falling)

Ecstatic: Tkachuk, Hughes, Wahlstrom, Kotkaniemi, Dobson, Kravstov (roughly in that order)

Happy: Boqvist, Bouchard, Farabee

Okay: Ty Smith

Rage: Hayton or any other reach (Noel, Veleno, etc)

Basically anyone on the radar between 3-15 aside from Hayton will make me happy. Hayton would be a nuclear disaster level of pick, and one that legitimately might make me question my undying allegiance to this team.

BUT, I don’t see any reason for us to take Hayton, so I’m not stressing out about it.

Ditto!
The Ecstatic order for me would be Hughes, Wahlstrom, Dobson/Tkachuk, Kotkaniemi, Kravtsov.
Boqvist pre concussions would have been in the upper tier of ecstatic level even if he is 3 years or so from the NHL.
 
Also, FWIW, I don’t see us going to the CHL for our top pick outside of Zadina, so that rules out Dobson, Bouchard, and Hayton.

I would guess that the guys the Rangers want are Tkachuk, Hughes, Kotkaniemi, Wahlstrom, Kravstov, and Boqvist, roughly in order, with Tkachuk and Hughes being on a different level than the other guys. This is just my guess, though.
 
Also, FWIW, I don’t see us going to the CHL for our top pick outside of Zadina, so that rules out Dobson, Bouchard, and Hayton.

I would guess that the guys the Rangers want are Tkachuk, Hughes, Kotkaniemi, Wahlstrom, Kravstov, and Boqvist, roughly in order, with Tkachuk and Hughes being on a different level than the other guys. This is just my guess, though.

You’re likely correct, and I would add that the goal is to get two players out of that group.
 
Caught up with 48 hours of posts. The draft lead up here is at a fever pitch (as if it hadn’t already been prior).

A few thoughts:

Zadina may have had a trash bag combine, but I’m not looking for him to fall through the floor.

Kotkaniemi going 3 OV / linked to MTL at 3-4-5 is not new, we’ve discussed it for a couple weeks now. Coming from McKenzie’s podcast, perhaps that’s more official.

I want no part of Bouchard, still. Please be off the board. He better be off the board. He will be off the board.

Gut feeling Kravtsov is mega tier on Gorton’s spreadsheet. Dark horse for 9 ov.

Agree with the school of thought that suggests 26/28 are packaged to move up. Depending on where we are moving up, could see us adding a 2nd or 3rd too.
 
Caught up with 48 hours of posts. The draft lead up here is at a fever pitch (as if it hadn’t already been prior).

A few thoughts:

Zadina may have had a trash bag combine, but I’m not looking for him to fall through the floor.

Kotkaniemi going 3 OV / linked to MTL at 3-4-5 is not new, we’ve discussed it for a couple weeks now. Coming from McKenzie’s podcast, perhaps that’s more official.

I want no part of Bouchard, still. Please be off the board. He better be off the board. He will be off the board.

Gut feeling Kravtsov is mega tier on Gorton’s spreadsheet. Dark horse for 9 ov.

Agree with the school of thought that suggests 26/28 are packaged to move up. Depending on where we are moving up, could see us adding a 2nd or 3rd too.
Kravtsov at 9 sounds like a disaster?
 
Kravtsov at 9 sounds like a disaster?
Hell no.

McKenzie said a couple scouts had Kravstov ranked pretty f***ing high.

He’s a tantalizing prospect who was incredible in the KHL playoffs despite being a draft eligible teenager.

I’d be very pleased with Kravstov at 9, although I’m hoping we can get like a Hughes or Tkachuk with a first pick then Kravstov after moving up with 26/28.
 
Hell no.

McKenzie said a couple scouts had Kravstov ranked pretty ****ing high.

He’s a tantalizing prospect who was incredible in the KHL playoffs despite being a draft eligible teenager.

I’d be very pleased with Kravstov at 9, although I’m hoping we can get like a Hughes or Tkachuk with a first pick then Kravstov after moving up with 26/28.
I don't know many of the Euro prospects, so I'm just going based off rankings for them. Lol

I just hope we don't go completely off the board.
 
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