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Trading up to take a swing on Kravtsov or Bokk after going relatively “safe” with Tkachuk/Farabee/Bouchard up top is actually pretty enticing.

Wilde would be another intriguing option. Could be the steal of R1 or a classic bust.
 
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I think many forget this is a deep draft
In a deep draft u don't trade multiple picks to move up
Who is left at 26,28 combined will probably be a better end result than just one person at 16.. Example: I'd rather have Kaut, Berggren over Kravtsov or Lundkvist, Hallander over Wilde
If it weren't a deep draft then I'm all about it
But let's keep our picks and try to gain more picks trading away our RFAs and Zuc
I'd love 7 or 8 picks in the first 2 rounds
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
I'm really hyped that Kotkaniemi and Dobson are Rising this hard because of recency bias (and position), starting to look like we're actually going to have Boqvist and maybe one of Bouchard/Hughes/Wahlstrom to pick from at 9.
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I can't see Wahlstrom slipping past Chicago.
 
Interesting bit from the 31 thoughts podcast that I hadn't realized, and that's the fact that Rasmus Sandin is on loan to SSM. He could jump right into the AHL next year.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
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As for the Rangers, I'm a little nervous. The right thing to do is to hold on to as many picks as they can because how often are they in this position? Don't mind using the 3rd to move up but I pray they keep the 2nds and 1sts.

I think ownership is having a say, TBH. Not sources or proof. Just my gut. Can't have the Garden empty from both teams.
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They'll continue to sell tickets for both teams.

Now how long he can go with out any playoff revenue between the 2 teams is another question entirely.
 
I think a lot of what is being speculated here will be contingent on whether or not there is a Zuccarello (or Spooner) trade prior to the draft. Veteran players are typically not moved during the draft. Those moves tend to happen a day or two prior. If the Rangers move MZA for a deal that includes 2018 draft assets, then there's no question that 2-3 trade ups could happen. Conversely, no trade, then I'm expecting 1-2 trade ups at most. As a few posters have pointed out, the Rangers need quality and quantity. Few from this draft will turn pro this year and others will spend 1-3 years marinating in college, Europe and parts unknown. As some have noted, trades usually happen when the pick is on the clock. Trying to construct multiple moves using the same starting assets isn't going to work.

And remember, Chiarelli drafted Spooner. He's not bringing back a first but maybe a second or two thirds? (further currency)
 
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bobbop said:
I think a lot of what is being speculated here will be contingent on whether or not there is a Zuccarello (or Spooner) trade prior to the draft. Veteran players are typically not moved during the draft. Those moves tend to happen a day or two prior. If the Rangers move MZA for a deal that includes 2018 draft assets, then there's no question that 2-3 trade ups could happen. Conversely, no trade, then I'm expecting 1-2 trade ups at most. As a few posters have pointed out, the Rangers need quality and quantity. Few from this draft will turn pro this year and others will spend 1-3 years marinating in college, Europe and parts unknown. As some have noted, trades usually happen when the pick is on the clock. Trying to construct multiple moves using the same starting assets isn't going to work.

And remember, Chiarelli drafted Spooner. He's not bringing back a first but maybe a second or two thirds? (further currency)
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I wonder if Spooner might not go for a pick in next year's draft. In general, across sports, picks in future drafts are valued at about a round less than their nominal position. So, where Spooner might only fetch a 2nd in this year's draft, you might be able to finagle next year's 1st out of Edmonton instead.

We know, after all, that Gorton is looking to diversify the spread of ages/draft classes...
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
I wonder if Spooner might not go for a pick in next year's draft. In general, across sports, picks in future drafts are valued at about a round less than their nominal position. So, where Spooner might only fetch a 2nd in this year's draft, you might be able to finagle next year's 1st out of Edmonton instead.

We know, after all, that Gorton is looking to diversify the spread of ages/draft classes...
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I'm fine stocking up on 1st round picks next year. Give me as many shots at winning the lottery as possible.
 
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Was waiting for a fathers day promo. Seems like it makes too much sense
 
There's so much US NTDP talent this draft I want in later rounds

Gruden, Pivonka, Emberson

Thankfully scouting this program is our bread and butter
 
Steve Kournianos said:
The Draft Analyst | 2018 NHL Draft Report is on sale!

This is the third draft report I've done but by far the most detailed.

For $5.00 (PayPal/Dropbox PDF) you get:

— About 200 scouting reports on the top draft-eligible players (Top-150 ranked, other notables and 30 or so overagers)

— Draft previews for all 31 teams, updated key prospect lists and three needs with possible draft targets.
— Final 500 Rankings, Final 150 overagers, Top-50 for each position
— A full seven-round mock draft with player descriptions for all 217 picks
-- Complete draft order (as of yesterday)
-- 2-round mock draft with notes on each pick

Let me know if you have any technical issues.


As for the Rangers, I'm a little nervous. The right thing to do is to hold on to as many picks as they can because how often are they in this position? Don't mind using the 3rd to move up but I pray they keep the 2nds and 1sts.

I think ownership is having a say, TBH. Not sources or proof. Just my gut. Can't have the Garden empty from both teams.
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That is the one thing that scares me. They need to stay the course and take the long game approach and not think too short sighted.
 
Listening to the 31 thoughts podcast. A little pat on the back for myself. I called bs on montreal's "looking for a defenseman, the center talk is a smokescreen" leak last week.

They were thinking of moving back, wanted to mask it and protect kotkaneimi from a poacher, IMO. GMs are seeing through it. They will have to take their guy at 3. This draft will go off the rails there.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Listening to the 31 thoughts podcast. A little pat on the back for myself. I called bs on montreal's "looking for a defenseman, the center talk is a smokescreen" leak last week.

They were thinking of moving back, wanted to mask it and protect kotkaneimi from a poacher, IMO. GMs are seeing through it. They will have to take their guy at 3. This draft will go off the rails there.
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Cannot WAIT.

This is going to be so much more fun than last year's where it was basically crossing your fingers that one of the top six prospects would somehow slip to us – and then being disappointed. (Though, after seeing Chytil in training camp, I would later be pleased.)
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Listening to the 31 thoughts podcast. A little pat on the back for myself. I called bs on montreal's "looking for a defenseman, the center talk is a smokescreen" leak last week.

They were thinking of moving back, wanted to mask it and protect kotkaneimi from a poacher, IMO. GMs are seeing through it. They will have to take their guy at 3. This draft will go off the rails there.
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Today there are 3 interesting story lines heading in the final week.

Kotkaniemi and possibly Hayton make things interesting in the top 8.

The run on defensemen dropping a high quality forward --- and questions about how far certain guys drop.

Questions about where Boqvist goes.
 
9. New York Rangers: GM Jeff Gorton is getting a lot of calls right now because of the Rangers’ mix of premium draft picks, cap space and available players. They’re still very much in best-player-available mode during their rebuild, and there’s internal optimism that a surprise player or draft riser could get taken in front of them that might push a player from the consensus top eight into this spot. It would be surprising if New York moved out of this spot.

10. Edmonton Oilers: The Oilers have been mentioned as a trade-up candidate, especially if a player they really like slips. The problem is that they don’t have a ton of ammunition to make that move. They only have their own picks in the second and third rounds, and they traded their fourth-round pick in the Al Montoya deal.
The Oilers haven’t ruled out trading this pick for immediate help, but it’s not an easy trade to make. It would have to be a significant addition and, with their cap situation, they’d have to move salary out in the deal to make it happen. That raises the degree of difficulty significantly.
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26 and 28. New York Rangers: The Rangers have players in this range they really like, so they may be completely content letting Gordie Clark collect talent at this point. The Rangers are prepared to make their picks but also are preparing for anything.
“With the number of draft picks that we do have, it’s going to be active,” assistant GM Chris Drury told The Athletic’s Rick Carpiniello. “It remains to be seen if we pull off moves, with those picks, or with players. Again, that’s evolving day-to-day.”
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Custance: Examining the trade possibilities of every...

Craig Custance had Corey Pronman on his The Full 60 podcast yesterday. Custance said he checked in with the Rangers to see where they were. He wrote about it today.
 
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