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Draft and UDFA Thread 2017-18

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I keep forgetting about Chicago. Maybe you don't have to give them that much for 8OA if you take Marian Hossa and his clothing allergy. They can't move their old core, might as well try to go forward with them.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
No, I listed Samuelsson at 9 because he's very good at hockey. He was the best hockey player on his team this year that'll have maybe as many as five first round picks, and some list him in the second round. Shocking.
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I don't agree with you on everything, but i really like Samuelsson as a prospect. In fact I think hes going to be a really solid NHL defenseman.
 
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GregSirico said:
Is the 8th even open for talk?
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I honestly don't think any picks in the top 10 are available for trade at the moment. I know that sounds odd but aside from Montreal, why would they be? Picks #1 and 2 aren't going anywhere. 4-10 have no freakin' clue who will be available when they pick.

I really wonder if we will see no movement in the top 10 but then a metric shit ton of moment from 11-30.
 
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Dijock94 said:
Why though? It seems counterproductive in that we are essentially drafting someone that may be able to replace him. If Skjei was 26-30 years old I would say it makes more sense.
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If I determine the player I get at 10 will eventually be better than what I have right now in Skjei, I'm doing it. Skjei is a nice player, but if 30 goal scorer Wahlstrom is there? That's better. If legit top pair D like Boqvist or Bouchard is there, I'll probably take that too. I'm re-setting the window a little bit, but it lines up more with Chytil, Andersson and company anyway.
 
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bl02 said:
Without Skjei this defense would be the worst in hockey for the next ???? years unless guys like Hajek, Pionk and Lindgren really really shine in the next 2-3 years.
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And? Are we competing for a Cup in the next year or two?

Bottoming out with an awful defense next year would be a feature, not a bug.
 
mschmidt64 said:
If I determine the player I get at 10 will eventually be better than what I have right now in Skjei, I'm doing it. Skjei is a nice player, but if 30 goal scorer Wahlstrom is there? That's better. If legit top pair D like Boqvist or Bouchard is there, I'll probably take that too. I'm re-setting the window a little bit, but it lines up more with Chytil, Andersson and company anyway.
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That's a lot of projection though. It's really difficult to put all of your eggs in a single basket with a player just about to be drafted
 
mschmidt64 said:
If I determine the player I get at 10 will eventually be better than what I have right now in Skjei, I'm doing it. Skjei is a nice player, but if 30 goal scorer Wahlstrom is there? That's better. If legit top pair D like Boqvist or Bouchard is there, I'll probably take that too. I'm re-setting the window a little bit, but it lines up more with Chytil, Andersson and company anyway.
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Your ignoring the possibility for a bust. Skjei’s age fits with our next window. What happens when we move Skjei for 10, land Boqvist, then he goes belly up al la McIlrath.
 
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MortUWary said:
The goal is to be a better team in 2-3 years and not next season.
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Exactly. Unless you are planning on trading for EK, signing Tavares, bringing back Nash and Grabner and making a run next year, then who cares?

The deciding factor should be the answer to this question:

In 2-3 years, would you rather 26-27 year old Brady Skjei, or 21 year old Evan Bouchard? Whatever the answer is to that question should decide whether you trade Skjei or not.
 
Dijock94 said:
Your ignoring the possibility for a bust. Skjei’s age fits with our next window. What happens when we move Skjei for 10, land Boqvist, then he goes belly up al la McIlrath.
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I'm not ignoring it, but I am disregarding it as the price of doing business. It's a risk but one I'm willing to take. I wouldn't be taking a reach at 10 like McIlrath was. I feel pretty good about a Dobson/Bouchard/Wahlstrom at least becoming top 4/top 6 players.
 
Fitzy Duke of NY said:
Take away Skjei from this defense, and this is Hank in net. View media item 2443
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I actually don't think that's true. Skjei was not exactly an all star last year. Next year we return Shattenkirk, Pionk and ADA will have improved, Staal is back for whatever that is worth, you can probably sign a free agent, and there's the possibility one of your other prospects graduates and plays well.
 
mschmidt64 said:
I'm not ignoring it, but I am disregarding it as the price of doing business. It's a risk but one I'm willing to take. I wouldn't be taking a reach at 10 like McIlrath was. I feel pretty good about a Dobson/Bouchard/Wahlstrom at least becoming top 4/top 6 players.
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I would agree with you if the player being moved was Shattenkirk. But at the age Skjei is and what he has already proven as a player I shut that deal down 100 out of 100.
 
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mschmidt64 said:
If I determine the player I get at 10 will eventually be better than what I have right now in Skjei, I'm doing it. Skjei is a nice player, but if 30 goal scorer Wahlstrom is there? That's better. If legit top pair D like Boqvist or Bouchard is there, I'll probably take that too. I'm re-setting the window a little bit, but it lines up more with Chytil, Andersson and company anyway.
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I'm with @mschmidt64 on this one. And I say that as a guy who's loved Skjei ever since watching him play a couple of complete games in college.

Now, all this is contingent on how the draft board falls, of course. If we're talking a run on defenseman plus a couple of the centers are drafted high and 2 out of the 3 of Zadina/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom (or shit, even Kravtsov) are there...? I move Skjei just because legit 1st line forwards are harder to find than 1st pairing defensemen, especially the well-rounded, 30 pt types.

Also, we just collected 3 different solid LD prospects not three months ago. Also, also, there's a decent chance you could convince Chiarelli that Skjei is worth more than the #10OA (1st pairing guy, under team control...).
 
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Dijock94 said:
I would agree with you if the player being moved was Shattenkirk. But at the age Skjei is and what he has already proven as a player I shut that deal down 100 out of 100.
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I would expect a better deal to what Stepan returned for Skjei. So if Edmonton was moving 10th overall, I would expect their 2nd this year and a real solid prospect (Puljujaarvi).

So EDM 1st (#10) + EDM 2nd + Puljujaarvi

Compared to

ARI 1st (#7) + ADA

EDM 1st @ #10 + EDM 2nd =~ 7th overall
 
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Sounds like we are in agreement then.... if Dobson/Walhstrom/Bouchard is still on the board at 10, after we've taken Zadina at 9, we call Chiarelli and browbeat him into Skjei for a 1st, 2nd, and prospect.

:)
 
Inferno said:
Yeah...I'd do that trade.
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And that is just spit-balling of course, perhaps the Rangers add in their 3rd or something to even it out but based on past trades (See Hamonic as well), just the 10th overall is not a good deal. It's easy to fall in love with these prospects but if we go back and look at the hit and miss rates at top-10 draft picks it's a bad gamble to take a very good young defenseman and trade him for a maybe
 
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