Draft and UDFA Thread 2017-18

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I would expect a better deal to what Stepan returned for Skjei. So if Edmonton was moving 10th overall, I would expect their 2nd this year and a real solid prospect (Puljujaarvi).

So EDM 1st (#10) + EDM 2nd + Puljujaarvi

Compared to

ARI 1st (#7) + ADA

EDM 1st @ #10 + EDM 2nd =~ 7th overall

I think this might be a bit rich to expect.

But throw in ADA going the other way with Skjei...?

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'm not.

The grass is always greener. Skjei is a solid 2nd pair defenseman who could definitely use some structure to maybe become a top pair guy. Wahlstrom is a heck of a prospect but man...

Bingo. There is no body outside of Svechnikov or Dahlin that I would consider trading Skjei for. An already established top 4 guy that still could end up as a top pairing defenseman for a prospect? Not the move we need to make. Our lack of quality defense both in the NHL and in the pipeline is what leads me to believe that the Rangers will go with a defenseman at 9, sans some crazy scenario where Zadina or Tkachuk actually make it that far.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think this might be a bit rich to expect.

But throw in ADA going the other way with Skjei...?

Yeah very possible, or maybe it's Yamamoto vs Puljujaarvi. Basically the structure would need to be multiple assets, not just the single #10

 

[Gardner McKay]

Yeah...I'd do that trade.

Yeah. And its not out of the realm of possibility either. He (Chia) traded Hall for Larsson, I think Skjei is significantly better than Adam Larsson.

 

[NYR Viper]

Bingo. There is no body outside of Svechnikov or Dahlin that I would consider trading Skjei for. An already established top 4 guy that still could end up as a top pairing defenseman for a prospect? Not the move we need to make. Our lack of quality defense both in the NHL and in the pipeline is what leads me to believe that the Rangers will go with a defenseman at 9, sans some crazy scenario where Zadina or Tkachuk actually make it that far.

So the only way I think something like this makes sense is if they get a deal similar to what I laid out and the have a couple of guys at #9 that they absolutely love. Say Zadina/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom/Farabee and Hughes/Boqvist/Dobson. Basically it would need to be a forward and defenseman they have VERY high who have fallen together.

Even then the would need to get multiple pieces

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think this might be a bit rich to expect.

But throw in ADA going the other way with Skjei...?

He traded 15OA for Griffin Reinhart. I’m not sure he can identify a quality defenseman.

 

[Fitzy]

I actually don't think that's true. Skjei was not exactly an all star last year. Next year we return Shattenkirk, Pionk and ADA will have improved, Staal is back for whatever that is worth, you can probably sign a free agent, and there's the possibility one of your other prospects graduates and plays well.

Shattenkirk is poor defensively.
There is no reason to assume either Pionk or DeAngelo will have improved over the summer.
Staal was always here.

Skjei had an up and down year but defensively he's the only top 4 quality blueliner currently on the roster. You can discuss potential for growth from other players but the reality is that removing Skjei moves our blueline down from 29-30th in the league to a distant 31st.

 

[Gardner McKay]

So the only way I think something like this makes sense is if they get a deal similar to what I laid out and the have a couple of guys at #9 that they absolutely love. Say Zadina/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom/Farabee and Hughes/Boqvist/Dobson. Basically it would need to be a forward and defenseman they have VERY high who have fallen together.

Even then the would need to get multiple pieces

Agree. But really, barring a stupid over payment, I'd rather keep Skjei.

 

[Pizza]

I honestly don't think any picks in the top 10 are available for trade at the moment. I know that sounds odd but aside from Montreal, why would they be? Picks #1 and 2 aren't going anywhere. 4-10 have no freakin' clue who will be available when they pick.

I really wonder if we will see no movement in the top 10 but then a metric **** ton of moment from 11-30.

Really good point.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I really hope we don't trade Skjei
It's like we'd rather just trade all our 24yo players for draft picks who might be as good as those 24yo by the time they're 24, so we can trade them for draft picks; and the cycle continues

 

[bl02]

And? Are we competing for a Cup in the next year or two?

Bottoming out with an awful defense next year would be a feature, not a bug.

Brady Skjei just turned 24 years old. He hasn't even scratched the surface! Why wouldn't he be one of the biggest reasons that we will be competing again in 2-3 years?!?! It would great if that 10th turned into him or more but thats far from a guarantee! Last thing we should be doing is selling off 24 year old proven commodities unless its for a top 2 pick. Last thing we should wanna do is set up an embarrassing losing culture here.

 

[Lion Hound]

If I determine the player I get at 10 will eventually be better than what I have right now in Skjei, I'm doing it. Skjei is a nice player, but if 30 goal scorer Wahlstrom is there? That's better. If legit top pair D like Boqvist or Bouchard is there, I'll probably take that too. I'm re-setting the window a little bit, but it lines up more with Chytil, Andersson and company anyway.

Thats a tough one for me.

Bouchard vs Skjei- Brady IMO is a better skater, slightly larger and more physical player of the two. Brady of 2017/18 was well...Less then stellar. Sophmore slump maybe? Tough to tell. Bouchard at the Jr level impacted his club far greater then Skjei did for the NY Rangers. But...will that translate? There always a risk, but I think i'd pass on the possiblity that Evan Bouchard will surpass Brady Skjei, just for the unknown risk factor involved. Like...Why push the envelope when you have a very serviceable young NHL blueliner with size and skills already?

Boqvist vs Skjei- Maybe a little more interesting. Boqvist likely QB's a PP for the NYR, but then again there is already one Kevin Shattenkirk there for that who is already on the right side. Then there the other smurf RHD in Anthony DeAngelo. Boqvist is a different player then Bouchard, but im not convinced his upside is higher. I think they are both really solid players, but again. If you already somewhat know what you got, why the risk?

Wahlstrom vs Skjei- If Wahlstrom is there at #10, and Chiarelli is down for trading that said pick for Skjei i think that's a move the club would, and should make. I think Wahlstrom is the type of winger that the NYR's have well, maybe never drafted and tried to acquire with Nash. Would be amazing to see a player with his talent actually come up and develop through the NYR system. I obviously think his ceiling is worth the risk...But, i dont think Wahlstrom will be there at #9.

 

[bl02]

I really hope we don't trade Skjei
It's like we'd rather just trade all our 24yo players for draft picks who might be as good as those 24yo by the time they're 24, so we can trade them for draft picks; and the cycle continues

Bingo bingo bingo. Lets trade our best young defenseman by a country mile. Yep great logic.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Agree. But really, barring a stupid over payment, I'd rather keep Skjei.

Generally speaking, I feel this way too, and honestly, I'm not sure I make that move if one of the targets is Bouchard/Dobson, as I'm not certain they project as anything better than a RH Skjei (which would be a more valuable player given the handedness, but factoring in the risk that they bust...).

BUT if 2 of the 3 of Zadina/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom (and maybe even Kravstov) are there...? Again, we just loaded up on LHD prospects and you find a ton more top-4 defensemen outside the top 20 picks than you do 1st line, scoring forwards. (Heck, Skjei himself was drafted, what, 28th?)

 

[NYR Viper]

Agree. But really, barring a stupid over payment, I'd rather keep Skjei.

I 100% agree. Just wanted to lay out what a deal would need to begin to look like

 

[Sarge13]

Minnesota boys out, hockey east boys in ?

 

[Irishguy42]

Minnesota boys out, hockey east boys in ?

Boston Mafia 4 lyfe

 

[Rangers in 7]

i dont see skjei being traded, but anyone else on the blueline not named shattenkirk is most likely up for grabs

 

[Gardner McKay]

I really hope we don't trade Skjei
It's like we'd rather just trade all our 24yo players for draft picks who might be as good as those 24yo by the time they're 24, so we can trade them for draft picks; and the cycle continues

You only trade Skjei if you get a ridiculous over payment. We are talking about Chiarelli here, it isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. He gave up a Taylor Hall for a worse defenseman than Brady Skjei.

 

[I Eat Crow]

For shits and giggles, would any of you do Skjei for Lucic and Draisaitl if Edmonton took 25% of Lucic's contract?

Edited for clarity

 

[NYR Viper]

For ****s and giggles, would any of you do Skjei for Draisaitl if Edmonton took 25% of Lucic's contract?

Considering he wasn't involved in the deal, they can keep all of Lucic's contract

If you meant Skjei for Draisatl + Lucic @ $4.5m I would say yes. Although I would try to off-load someone like Smith on them

 

[GregSirico]

For ****s and giggles, would any of you do Skjei for Lucic and Draisaitl if Edmonton took 25% of Lucic's contract?

Edited for clarity

I'd live with it at 30% retained by EDM. We eat 4M/Y through 22/23.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

i dont see skjei being traded, but anyone else on the blueline not named shattenkirk is most likely up for grabs

I don’t really think anyone left over there has much value.

What’s pionk? A guy that played 20 games at the top level and eye test was decent to good and fancy stat numbers were garbage.

What’s ADA? A flashy young Offensive Defensiveman who didn’t produce and would be on his 4th team? Let alone coming off an injury.

What’s Staal? A one eyed no legged offensive black hole who some how has elite stick play but below average at everything else.

What’s Gilmour? A small super fast skater that couldn’t read Sam I Am let alone an offensive rush coming at him.

Rob O’garbage. The 1 in 10 AHL dman every team has

Kampfer doesn’t even deserve his own line in this post about trade value.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I don’t really think anyone left over there has much value.

What’s pionk? A guy that played 20 games at the top level and eye test was decent to good and fancy stat numbers were garbage.

What’s ADA? A flashy young Offensive Defensiveman who didn’t produce and would be on his 4th team? Let alone coming off an injury.

What’s Staal? A one eyed no legged offensive black hole who some how has elite stick play but below average at everything else.

What’s Gilmour? A small super fast skater that couldn’t read Sam I Am let alone an offensive rush coming at him.

Rob O’garbage. The 1 in 10 AHL dman every team has

Kampfer doesn’t even deserve his own line in this post about trade value.

i agree with you im just saying that skjei wont be traded

side note i think pionk has some value around the league especially after playing well for team usa after the season

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

i agree with you im just saying that skjei wont be traded

side note i think pionk has some value around the league especially after playing well for team usa after the season

I think Pionk has more value as a player than as a trade piece.