GDT: Draft aftermath and free agent frenzy

[UNCCHcane]

The prices for these dumps remind me of the offseason after that year-long lockout back in 2005. Hell no, I hope the Canes stay far away from the trade market right now unless the Laine deal is signed, sealed, and delivered. The time to deal IMO is the deadline. Bounce-back years and larger league-wide cap budgets at that time greatly increase asset returns.

Ah man, remember when we were in on Paul Kariya after the lockout? Holy shit I'm old.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

That was a Smoke screen.
1. CDH had the same medical issue before we signed him in the first place. If we were so concerned, why sign him?
2. he was replaced with a guy (Gardiner) coming off a serious medical issue of his own.
3. Are we going to dump Pesce for having his 3rd shoulder injury (and second surgery) since college?

IMO, canes moved CDH because they were preparing for a larger Aho offer sheet. It was a cap dump.

I already mentioned the offer sheet issue. They wanted to make sure that they weren't backed into a corner to deal cap away for pick compensation, a la Marleau for a 1st. There's none of any of that this year. Again, we have $7M in space to sign Foegele and Fleury. We're not in any threat of cap hell by any means. Also, Gardiner hasn't re-injured his back. CDH did re-injure his shoulder.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I already mentioned the offer sheet issue. There's none of any of that this year. Again, we have $7M in space to sign Foegele and Fleury. We're not in cap hell by any means.

I never said Carolina was going to do dumps this year (they may or may not). My point to 0506 was Canes Have dumped players in the past couple years , and for salary/cap reasons. CLB is doing it this year. (he clarified Later he was referring to Carolina this year not doing it).

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I never said Carolina was going to do dumps this year (they may or may not). My point to 0506 was Canes Have dumped players in the past couple years , and for salary/cap reasons. CLB is doing it this year. (he clarified Later he was referring to Carolina this year not doing it).

Ah, I see what you're saying. I will say that what Columbus is doing, and what Carolina did with CDH, even though I don't like it, is a little bit better than dealing picks to dump contracts. And both seem to have a specific context behind it (one is for facilitating off-season moves, the other as Aho protection). If the Canes and Svech can agree to a bridge this off-season, that would thwart the need for any crazy cap dumps like that.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I never said Carolina was going to do dumps this year (they may or may not). My point to 0506 was Canes Have dumped players in the past couple years , and for salary/cap reasons. CLB is doing it this year. (he clarified Later he was referring to Carolina this year not doing it).

Skinner deal wasn’t a cap dump. It was addition by subtraction

Columbus isn’t the only one dumping.

Need less Nino or Dzingel

 

[Socks]

Sup guys. I’m confused as f*** as to what my GM is doing. How’s your night?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Skinner deal wasn’t a cap dump. It was addition by subtraction

Columbus isn’t the only one dumping.

Need less Nino or Dzingel

Not cap dump in a traditional sense, but moving a player they didn’t want to pay on his next contract, and “changing the culture”.

going to be interesting to see if CLB has a bigger move on the horizon, or just saving cash.

Murray really wasn’t worth much though. The guy Makes CDH look like an iron man. Games he’s played each season.

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[Big Daddy Cane]

I honestly thought he'd be gone for a 3rd or a 4th by the draft. Perhaps they really want to give him another shot. I think if they do, they need to be prepared to stop worrying about what he's not. He started out well on a hot third line that could feast a little. Unfortunately, that's unlikely to happen now with Jordan running the third line.

It might be that no one wants him without sending cap back, at least ahead of free agency. He has some warts; getting healthy scratched in the playoffs by 2 separate clubs is not a good look.

 

[The Stranger]

IMO, canes moved CDH because they were preparing for a larger Aho offer sheet. It was a cap dump.

How does this make sense...if they didn't move CdH would they have been in jeopardy of not being able to pay Aho...in what scenario?

Didn't they already know exactly what he wanted...the contract MTL offered and he signed.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

How does this make sense...if they didn't move CdH would they have been in jeopardy of not being able to pay Aho...in what scenario?

IIRC, the rumors from reputable sources were that Aho was asking $9.5. Canes also weren’t sure that they were going to move Faulk (who’s salary was $6m, cap $4.8) at that time and wanted to add a goalie (mrazek was a UFA and wanted to dump Darling) and Add more forward help, particularly with Williams status in the air. They also probably were already talking to Toronto about Marleau. While we will never know for sure, selling off a good top 4 D for nothing so early in the post season makes me believe there was a “freeing up cap/$” component. Not just Aho’s deal, but his was the largest. More general cap flexibility than just Aho.

 

[HisIceness]

Sup guys. I’m confused as f*** as to what my GM is doing. How’s your night?

I like the Domi trade and I'm a fan of Josh Anderson, if that makes you feel better

 

[tarheelhockey]

Skinner deal wasn’t a cap dump. It was addition by subtraction

They weren’t dumping his cap hit, but they were definitely dumping the contract they weren’t gonna give him.

If he’d asked for $6M he would still be playing here. But the UFA writing was on the wall and this value-driven front office said... nah.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Hey, David Savard might be available and we love to get dmen. Sure he'll go for a conditional 2027 7th or something.

Also, Stastny supposed to be going to Winnipeg tomorrow for a pick from the sounds of it.

 

[Brock Anton]

... Ryan Murray for a 5th? Like, I get they're trying to clear space, but wtf.

They better have something big in the pipeline to warrant the dumps they've done today.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It’s hard to feel true empathy for a Sabres fan, but damn... that buildup of excitement only to be slapped back down.

If you’re in a hurry, 2:40 to 5:30 is the slow knife twist.

 

[Brock Anton]

That reminds me of us in 2010 when Fowler was on the board and we went Skinner.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

They weren’t dumping his cap hit, but they were definitely dumping the contract they weren’t gonna give him.

If he’d asked for $6M he would still be playing here. But the UFA writing was on the wall and this value-driven front office said... nah.

I’d would bet a pretty penny that isn’t the case. After the Cole ordeal on the radio, it was pretty clear he wasn’t wanted in the organization.

 

[bleedgreen]

I’d would bet a pretty penny that isn’t the case. After the Cole ordeal on the radio, it was pretty clear he wasn’t wanted in the organization.

New regime kicked everyone leaving out the door. Part of selling the whole new attitude. Blaming the guys leaving as the problem....while keeping Faulk/Staal/Rask around who were as much of the problem as anyone else.

 

[HisIceness]

It’s hard to feel true empathy for a Sabres fan, but damn... that buildup of excitement only to be slapped back down.

If you’re in a hurry, 2:40 to 5:30 is the slow knife twist.

It's amazing, Melody loves the Sabres with all her heart and all they do is break it.

She has the NFL Bills though.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

New regime kicked everyone leaving out the door. Part of selling the whole new attitude. Blaming the guys leaving as the problem....while keeping Faulk/Staal/Rask around who were as much of the problem as anyone else.

I’ll add a couple things here. While I do think there was a little scapegoating going on, there’s probably some merit to some of the comments as it applies to Skinner as he has rarely played both ends of the ice. This isn’t news. Rod’s a pretty straight shooter and even he commented about it. We can rightfully point out Faulk, Staal, Rask for their lack of results, but not really for their effort, commitment (particularly on the defensive side). Rod, of all people, values that. Also, he’s been with these guys for years, we haven’t so he has way more insight than we do.

I don’t recall any real negative comments about Hanifin and Lindholm other than “we need to change things up and be harder to play against/culture” type comments. Don’t recall any in Cam Ward or Derek Ryan either. It was probably more about not giving them $5m contracts when the team didn’t think they were worth it. Was the right call on Hanifin, not so much on Lindholm. Same goes, to an extent, with a Skinner extension and Faulk extension (and will happen again in the future) as that was a piece of it.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Just a reminder to not get upset when we do nothing today.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I’d would bet a pretty penny that isn’t the case. After the Cole ordeal on the radio, it was pretty clear he wasn’t wanted in the organization.

Remember though, Cole came from the Jim Rutherford school of negotiating through the media. His interview response was like a pre-prepared radio essay on “Why Skinner Should Waive His NMC”. The criticism of Skinner’s hockey performance came at the very end of a rant about business-side frustration, Waddell purportedly having a trade on the table that he couldn’t close because Skinner held the cards.

By that time, the divorce was already in progress and bridges were being burned. A lot of what Cole said in that interview turned out to be factually doubtful... it was very much a strategically placed comment meant to attract attention and pressure Skinner on that NMC.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just a reminder to not get upset

Are you new here?

 

[MinJaBen]

Just a reminder to not get upset when we do nothing today.

Looking forward to nothing for the Canes, actually. We don't have enough free space to really be players and I suspect we'll just make a Dzingle mistake...get a decent guy that just doesn't fit our style.

On a related note, I think we'll be underwhelmed today across the league. Too much money needs to be moved and I think it will paralyze the GMs.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Watch us sign Pietrangelo and trade Dougie or something dumb like that.