Salary Cap: Dr Dubas | Off Season Acquire List | Nurse (X), EP40, Robertson, the other Robertson

[Turin]

Fantilli will need a winger.

Who better to teach him how to be a good pro than Bryan Rust, who’s last name dictates that he can only be traded to Ohio or Michigan.

Oh you mean for Pitt.

Yea sure that works too

 

[Koivunsons]

Fantilli will need a winger.

Yeah this is the issue with the idea we can build around Fantilli and Kindel. We need an elite winger / defenseman if we are going to do that.

Maybe, maybe, maybe Brunicke develops. But we have no one close to an elite winger in the system.

 

[Ryder71]

We need Marchenko.

I want him more than Robertson.

Doesn't fit our time line.

And what would you give up for the next Jari Kurri?

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I think Columbus would match the offersheet to Fantilli anyway so it's mostly a moot point, but I think the biggest argument to make is that getting EP for a 1st is a lot more cost effective than getting Fantilli for 4 1sts and both guys offer similar upsides. I figure both guys project to top out at 70-80 point 1Cs, with Fantilli it's just about him progressing more but with EP it's about him rebounding.

Or we can keep all of our firsts, imagine that!

 

[Empoleon8771]

Robertson-Fantilli-Chinakhov
Crosby-Kindel-Rust
Horcoff-Zonnon-McGroarty
Howe-Broz-Hayes

Nikishin-Brunicke
Galvas-Korczak
Pickering-Karlsson

Murashov-Blomqvist

You can just pencil this team as the 2030 cup winner right now.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Or we can keep all of our firsts, imagine that!

A mid/late 1st would be lucky to even turn into what EP is at this point, let alone what EP was.

People here overrate the hell out of draft picks. For a pick in the #18-#24 range (where I'd assume the Penguins 1st falls if they add EP), there is only about a 35% chance that guy even hits 100 points in his NHL career.

• 18th: 41.0%
• 19th: 28.3%
• 20th: 38.3%
• 21st: 45.0%
• 22nd: 35.6%
• 23rd: 35.6%
• 24th: 35.6%

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Even if EP just is what he is at this point, he is most likely better than whatever the #20 pick you trade for him turns out to be. Even if EP called it a career right now, it's less than a 10% chance that a guy picked in that spot will have as many points as he has had in his NHL career. It's roughly a 9.2% chance for guys taken in those spots to hit 500 points in their NHL careers.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Robertson-Fantilli-Chinakhov
Crosby-Kindel-Rust
Horcoff-Zonnon-McGroarty
Howe-Broz-Hayes

Nikishin-Brunicke
Galvas-Korczak
Pickering-Karlsson

Murashov-Blomqvist

You can just pencil this team as the 2030 cup winner right now.

This is funny when you consider that the Pens could easily have a lottery pick this upcoming offseason.

 

[Ryder71]

This is funny when you consider that the Pens could easily have a lottery pick this upcoming offseason.

I doubt Howe broz and Hayes are gonna be regular NHLers.

I also doubt Horcoff is a 3rd liner. He's top six pwer forward or nowhere. I think pretty highly up him so my guess is top six.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

We need Marchenko.

I want him more than Robertson.

Chinakhov and Marchenko are close friends.

Make it happen Dubas

 

[Jacob]

This is funny when you consider that the Pens could easily have a lottery pick this upcoming offseason.

Like where we might get a guy like Fantilli if we’re lucky?

 

[Koivunsons]

Like where we might get a guy like Fantilli if we’re lucky?

I'd rather have Joseph and 3 1st rounders than Fantilli and none over the next 4 - 5 years.

 

[eXile3]

I'd rather have Joseph and 3 1st rounders than Fantilli and none over the next 4 - 5 years.

While I agree, baring any rash of injuries or some lottery luck, we’re probably picking in the teens.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The people banking on winning the draft lottery to build the next generation of the Penguins are also the same people who spend a ton of money on lottery tickets to hopefully pay for their retirement.

 

[Jacob]

I'd rather have Joseph and 3 1st rounders than Fantilli and none over the next 4 - 5 years.

I’ll take Fantilli over 1 maybe and 3 possiblies.

 

[Koivunsons]

I’ll take Fantilli over 1 maybe and 3 possiblies.

Glad you're not the GM tbh.

 

[Koivunsons]

While I agree, baring any rash of injuries or some lottery luck, we’re probably picking in the teens.

There's no way we are picking in the teens 4-5 times over the next 4-5 years.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

If you can build a competitive team with what you have and some smart trades and good asset management.....why not

There are so many teams who have hit bottom and tried to build through the draft only to have to tear it apart again and again.

People don't know how lucky this organization has been and it's clouded their thoughts on how teams are built.

 

[Ryder71]

@Ryder71 is banking on Wes Clark making the best selection possible. Drafting in the top 10 for a couple seasons helps that cause.

 

[Ryder71]

I’ll take Fantilli over 1 maybe and 3 possiblies.

I think you severely overrate Fantilli.

It also depends as to where you think we'll be picking. If Say we were Dallas or COL and had huge cap space that might be a different story if you're thinking late 1sts (24th-32OA). But to not see us or expect us to be in the bottom third of the league at least one or more years in the next four seems naive.

 

[Ryder71]

If you can build a competitive team with what you have and some smart trades and good asset management.....why not

There are so many teams who have hit bottom and tried to build through the draft only to have to tear it apart again and again.

People don't know how lucky this organization has been and it's clouded their thoughts on how teams are built.

And, there are a lot of teams that have built through the draft and have been very successful.

Was CHI, COL, FLA, DET and TB all lucky?

It's not only worked in PIT. That's a lazy argument. Look over the past 20 years. Look at the teams that won and look who their core pieces were and where they were selected.

Now, if you're not well run it aint not gonna matter. But if you are run well you gotta chance. As far as what we're doin now, no chance!

 

[Ryder71]

Something I've never seen brought up here is the lack of accountibility for orgs who do draft high but the soil the bed anyway. That's not on the draft picks exactly, that's on that teams upper management and scouting department.

And that gives such ORGS an excuse to not be scrutinized enough. If you're afforded those picks but don't aptly augment around them that in and of itself does not mean it's not a path worth taking. Sure it's worked here, but it's worked many other places where by those teams were run well and aptly developed around the high draft picks.

Having that in mind I trust this ORG to draft and develop effectively otherwise sure, try for the short cuts since you can't develop properly on your own.

 

[Koivunsons]

If you can build a competitive team with what you have and some smart trades and good asset management.....why not

There are so many teams who have hit bottom and tried to build through the draft only to have to tear it apart again and again.

People don't know how lucky this organization has been and it's clouded their thoughts on how teams are built.

I’m fine with this. There is not a single competitive team that built their core by trading 4 1sts for one player.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

And, there are a lot of teams that have built through the draft and have been very successful.

Was CHI, COL, FLA, DET and TB all lucky?

It's not only worked in PIT. That's a lazy argument. Look over the past 20 years. Look at the teams that won and look who their core pieces were and where they were selected.

Now, if you're not well run it aint not gonna matter. But if you are run well you gotta chance. As far as what we're doin now, no chance!

Detroit hasn't done anything lately and it's continuing to fall apart.

They are a very example of what I am talking about. I mean if you have 15 years to wait sure.

You don't need to necessarily build your team strictly from the draft and we aren't at that point currently

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I’m fine with this. There is not a single competitive team that built their core by trading 4 1sts for one player.

I don't want to give up 4 first for fantelli

 

[Turin]

I don't want to give up 4 first for fantelli

There’s a real chance he’s just a 2nd line center.