Salary Cap: Dr Dubas Cap Thread: He wants the Nurse

[Koivunsons]

50 point player for 6M vs 70 point players for 5M

Neither Rust nor Rakell scored 70 pts last year.

 

[Darren McCord]

To be fair, lot's of guys off the books in that $40mil, including Makar. But it goes away pretty fast. Smart of them to grab a couple of these younger RFAs like L'Heureux and Svechkov.

Makar - 12.6mil so that takes it to 27.4. Roy - $5mil, Lehkonen - $7.5mil. That's $15mil to sign 3 defensemen and BUG. Still tight though I imagine someone from the ranks goes to make room just like Nuke just did.

They need to get more up front too. Kadri and Nelson are going to fall apart soon. Nelson was awful in the playoffs

 

[Darren McCord]

Neither Rust nor Rakell scored 70 pts last year.

I think rust or Rakell could pull the extra 2nd. 2 2nd maybe a b prospect.

Nuke seems like a head case and unreliable

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Neither Rust nor Rakell scored 70 pts last year.

Nichushkin hasn't scored more than 53 points in a season, ever. Rust's had 65 the last 2 years, Raks had 70 the year before last.

 

[SEALBound]

I was just cruising rosters and was looking at Boston. They have that Khusnutdinov who looks pretty legit and I looked into how they got him...from Minny in the Brazeau trade! Man it would be great if Brazy could bring us another return like that, especially given the fact that he way outscored his old Boston pace.

They need to get more up front too. Kadri and Nelson are going to fall apart soon. Nelson was awful in the playoffs

Indeed. I was actually telling my brother that I lowkey think Detroit would be a decent destination while taking back Copp or Compher and Kiiskinen.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Nichushkin hasn't scored more than 53 points in a season, ever. Rust's had 65 the last 2 years, Raks had 70 the year before last.

Nichushkin brings intangibles like lines of coke and lines of hookers with coke, though.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

I will impersonate Handshake for this point...

I hope all non-Penguins teams suck in perpetuity.

What's so bad about that?

 

[wej20]

Nuke loves to party while Rakell is lame

Or Raks isn't stupid enough to get caught.

 

[Andy99]

Nichushkin brings intangibles like lines of coke and lines of hookers with coke, though.

Don’t knock the value of a some good blow and blowing…lol

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Neither Rust nor Rakell scored 70 pts last year.

This is using the truth to lie.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think NHL GMs are looking at hockeyDB when trying to determine player value

I think the reality is that Rakell and Nuke are on the same tier of players, they're top-6 wingers that are probably solid to good 2nd liners. Meanwhile I think Rust is better than that, I'd argue he's a lower end 1st liner because he produces too much and too consistently to be called a 2nd liner. I think Rakell and Nichushkin have similar value, I'd give Rakell a bit of an advantage based on not having baggage like Nuke but you're still talking like 2 2nds or maybe a late 1st. Guys of that caliber over 30 with term just don't bring back better than that. Rust you're definitely getting a 1st+ back for, not with a huge + but you're definitely getting a 1st with something on top.

I know Rust is frustrating to watch and he definitely benefits from playing with Crosby, but he's 68th in points and 62nd in PPG in the NHL since the start of the 2019-2020 season. Meanwhile Rakell is 102nd in points and 130th in PPG. I don't think those two should be viewed as equal, I think Rust is a tier (albeit a small tier) above him.

 

[eXile3]

I think people are selling Rakell short but every year he loses value. Teams at this point probably just see him as a rental even with the extra year just because of his age.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Raks is great... you just have to get him on the right year. Based on trends... he is due for a good season next year so that should up the value!

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think people are selling Rakell short but every year he loses value. Teams at this point probably just see him as a rental even with the extra year just because of his age.

For guys of that age, I actually feel like having less term is a positive. I think Rust at 3 or 4 years left would have less value than Rust as a rental or with 2 years left.

 

[SEALBound]

I would agree that Nuke and Rakell are comparable players which worries me about Rakell's (and thus Rust's) value around the league.

Highsight is 20/20 and I was fine with the decision at the time and am generally still okay with it, but man do I wish we cashed in on one or both of them earlier.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Zero idea why Toronto would move him but I'd be absolutely interested in this.

 

[Peat]

I think people are selling Rakell short but every year he loses value. Teams at this point probably just see him as a rental even with the extra year just because of his age.

I'm not sure how much him being a rental changes his price though, particularly at an age where teams don't want to hold onto his contract for a long time.

An example would be that Oliver Bjorkstrand as a year and a bit rental probably (big complicated multi-player deal) got better value than Nuke as a guy with three years left despite being roughly in that same kind of tier at 2nd line wingers. And one playoff only rental Mantha was 2nd and 4th, very close to Nuke given one guy has been good in the playoffs and the other hasn't.