Speculation: Dougie Hamilton

[Magic Man]

No. Let him try to justify how it makes sense for Hamilton to be traded for Kapanen and a few 2nds? Lmao... I don't get where the logic is coming from? A couple 2nd round picks because we traded 2 2nds and then Kapanen who was traded as the "main" piece in the Kessel deal which his draft pick ended up being Dougie so theres a Kessel Hamilton connection??

Boston was willing to give him up for a package of picks. In that package their were 2 2nd's, like the one I proposed. A young former 1st rounder who plays a position of weakness for the Flames has been substituted for a mid-1st rounder. Carrick has been thrown in as additional value to provide a young similar aged gritty RHD into the lineup to help make up for Hamilton's absence. Like they've been rumoured to want.

 

[Kahvi]

Boston was willing to give him up for a package of picks. In that package their were 2 2nd's, like the one I proposed. A young former 1st rounder who plays a position of weakness for the Flames has been substituted for a mid-1st rounder. Carrick has been thrown in as additional value to provide a young similar aged gritty RHD into the lineup to help make up for Hamilton's absence. Like they've been rumoured to want.

Do you know what the Flames D pairs would look like if they traded Hamilton for Kapanen and 2 2nd's?

 

[Lunatik]

Boston was willing to give him up for a package of picks. In that package their were 2 2nd's, like the one I proposed. A young former 1st rounder who plays a position of weakness for the Flames has been substituted for a mid-1st rounder. Carrick has been thrown in as additional value to provide a young similar aged gritty RHD into the lineup to help make up for Hamilton's absence. Like they've been rumoured to want.

What Boston took for a return is irrelevant, all that matters is what the Flames find enticing. The fact of the matter is there are absolutely zero reports claiming the Flames are shopping Hamilton, all they say is the Flames are listening. Which should be no shock to a single Leaf fan since Burke was your GM at one point and you should all know his saying "if Gretzky can be traded anyone can." While Burkie isn't GM, he did hire the GM and there is no way he'd hire someone that wouldn't listen to every single offer. So the fact that the Flames are listening doesn't really mean anything since they would listen to anything.

For the Flames to move Hamilton they will need something to entice them, the offer would have to be something good enough to convince the Flames to want to move Hamilton and that sure as hell wouldn't be Kapanen, Carrick and some pick

 

[hullsy47]

What Boston took for a return is irrelevant, all that matters is what the Flames find enticing. The fact of the matter is there are absolutely zero reports claiming the Flames are shopping Hamilton, all they say is the Flames are listening. Which should be no shock to a single Leaf fan since Burke was your GM at one point and you should all know his saying "if Gretzky can be traded anyone can." While Burkie isn't GM, he did hire the GM and there is no way he'd hire someone that wouldn't listen to every single offer. So the fact that the Flames are listening doesn't really mean anything since they would listen to anything.

For the Flames to move Hamilton they will need something to entice them, the offer would have to be something good enough to convince the Flames to want to move Hamilton and that sure as hell wouldn't be Kapanen, Carrick and some pick

I think the leafs are looking at lots of scenarios ,keep Hamilton ,how may players on pace for 40 goals are even being shopped ?jvr is worth more than dougie Hamilton ,

 

[Kahvi]

I think the leafs are looking at lots of scenarios ,keep Hamilton ,how may players on pace for 40 goals are even being shopped ?jvr is worth more than dougie Hamilton ,

For some reason there's a lot of JVR to other team threads here.

And thank you, Flames are happy to keep Hamilton.

 

[Haatley]

I think the leafs are looking at lots of scenarios ,keep Hamilton ,how may players on pace for 40 goals are even being shopped ?jvr is worth more than dougie Hamilton ,

Its great you think that. You are dead wrong, but that's cool. Flames don't want JVR anyway. This makes everyone happy.
/endthread

 

[Lunatik]

I think the leafs are looking at lots of scenarios ,keep Hamilton ,how may players on pace for 40 goals are even being shopped ?jvr is worth more than dougie Hamilton ,

If all things were equal you might actually have a point, but you seem to be ignoring the bigger picture.

Just to be blatantly clear, I didn't even mention JVR in the post you quoted, but since you brought him up.... JVR's pace is just that his pace, he's probably not going to score 40 goals. He'll probably be around 30 goals/60 points again.

Why is a 60 point winger worth that much more than a 40+ point defenseman? One could easily argue that the 40+ point defenseman that is also 5 years younger, right handed and 6'6 would be worth more.

This IMO is the biggest, contract status. Hamilton is under team control for 4 more years after this season. JVR is under team control for 1 more season after this year. So no, 1+ years of JVR is not worth 4+ years of Hamilton. If they were both the same age and set to become UFAs at the same time, then maybe their values would be on par. To some teams JVR may be worth more because a short term deal would fit their salary structure better, but for the Flames that is just not the case. Based on their contracts Hamilton is worth much more to the Flames than JVR.

The Flames are JVR's no trade list, so why even bring up him to the Flames? It's not happening, no matter how much it is brought up by Leafs fans.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

I think the leafs are looking at lots of scenarios ,keep Hamilton ,how may players on pace for 40 goals are even being shopped ?jvr is worth more than dougie Hamilton ,

On fan sites maybe but not in the NHL.

 

[loyaltotheend]

I think the leafs are looking at lots of scenarios ,keep Hamilton ,how may players on pace for 40 goals are even being shopped ?jvr is worth more than dougie Hamilton ,

Hamilton is worth more than JVR, and I love JVR! We would need to add, although it would only be small imo. The gap in value once all things are considered is not that big.

 

[Kahvi]

Hamilton is worth more than JVR, and I love JVR! We would need to add, although it would only be small imo. The gap in value once all things are considered is not that big.

All things considered the value gap from Flames perspective is actually wider. As Method man explained it above, contract status is one thing. Positional needs is another, Flames cannot afford to lose top D for a winger.

 

[Kamiccolo]

For some reason there's a lot of JVR to other team threads here.

And thank you, Flames are happy to keep Hamilton.

I'll help you out.

JVR is our most valuable piece than can be moved. Forward is our deepest position. He is approaching UFA in 2 years and will need a raise. At that time, we will most likely have prospects who can fill his spot.

He is in his prime, we are in year 2 of a rebuild. Therefore, moving him to a team needing a good young forward in their prime, SHOULD return us a piece we need for the rebuild without hurting it whatsoever as he is too old to be here once the team is a contender.

It's kind of funny. People say "Leafs always trying to offload your garbage for good players". So Leaf fans start offering up valuable players that don't fit in their future plans, and suddenly people think they must be bad.

 

[loyaltotheend]

All things considered the value gap from Flames perspective is actually wider. As Method man explained it above, contract status is one thing. Positional needs is another, Flames cannot afford to lose top D for a winger.

I already considered the contracts in my evaluation of that gap. Positional need is another good point, yet another reason I don't think anything like this happens.

I think we are on the same side of this discussion? No sense in debating you think the gap is bigger with a Leaf fan who is arguing on Flames side

 

[Kahvi]

I'll help you out.

JVR is our most valuable piece than can be moved. Forward is our deepest position. He is approaching UFA in 2 years and will need a raise. At that time, we will most likely have prospects who can fill his spot.

He is in his prime, we are in year 2 of a rebuild. Therefore, moving him to a team needing a good young forward in their prime, SHOULD return us a piece we need for the rebuild without hurting it whatsoever as he is too old to be here once the team is a contender.

It's kind of funny. People say "Leafs always trying to offload your garbage for good players". So Leaf fans start offering up valuable players that don't fit in their future plans, and suddenly people think they must be bad.

I didn't say JvR is bad. It seemed that the poster I quoted wanted to keep JvR so wondered why so many offers here include him.

And if you use the logic in your post with the Flames, you can understand why JvR for Hamilton makes no sense for the Flames.

 

[Kahvi]

I already considered the contracts in my evaluation of that gap. Positional need is another good point, yet another reason I don't think anything like this happens.

I think we are on the same side of this discussion? No sense in debating you think the gap is bigger with a Leaf fan who is arguing on Flames side

Heh, maybe I misunderstood your post. Guess we agree on this

 

[Kahvi]

That's ridiculous. Your D is making 30 million per year and not getting the job done. Your forwards aren't scoring enough, your special teams is ass. What are you going to do? Replace one of your crappy D with a younger, cheaper, better one? How do you propose to accomplish that? Trading a forward? Which one? Bennett? Monahan? Tkachuk?

The team as a whole has been improving since the not-so good start, so: Be patient with the rebuild.

Or how about trading one of your better D for a younger, cheaper, downgrade and getting a forward upgrade out of it? Or how about trading for picks to stock the cupboards? Those seem like the only realistic options to me. Unless you want to use your high picks and attach them to a salary dump to get a D upgrade. Something tells me that isn't ideal for Calgary.

You suggest that Flames should trade one of their D for a lesser, cheaper one. How does that improve the D?
Flames can upgrade their D in the offseason, there's a lot of cap hit coming off the books.

 

[Skobel24]

The team as a whole has been improving since the not-so good start, so: Be patient with the rebuild.



You suggest that Flames should trade one of their D for a lesser, cheaper one. How does that improve the D?
Flames can upgrade their D in the offseason, there's a lot of cap hit coming off the books.

Ding ding ding, winner.

People seem to forget that Calgary is still rebuilding. There is no rush to go out and try to fix a weakness.

 

[DJJones]

Calgary is in for a decent upgrade next year simply with addition through subtraction

Gaudreau - Monahan - Brouwer
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland
Bouma - Stajan - Hathaway

Shinkaruk, Poirier, Hamilton

Gio - Hamilton
Brodie - X
Kulak - X

That is so much better than this year. The glaring hole is a #4 defense. Jokkipakka has disappointed me this year, not sure if he'll stick or Vegas will get him. Wotherspoon or Engellend on the cheap can be the #6. Andersson and/or Kylington are most likely not going to be ready for #4 duties next year. They will need one more year anyway. So a guy on an expiring contract is ideal.

So we need a #4 and a goalie(unless Elliot steps up, great game for Islanders)

We have these pieces to move;

Backlund(next year is his last year on his contract, not sure if we have space)
Frolik/Brouwer(like them both but they'd be gone tomorrow for the right package,
Bouma
Stajan
Shinkaruk(look at the LW depth)
Picks
Lots of prospects, Mangiapane looks legit

Anyone not on that list, other teams are not going to like the price for.

 

[Skobel24]

Calgary is in for a decent upgrade next year simply with addition through subtraction

Gaudreau - Monahan - Brouwer
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Jankowski - Ferland
Bouma - Stajan - Hathaway

Shinkaruk, Poirier, Hamilton

Gio - Hamilton
Brodie - X
Kulak - X

That is so much better than this year. The glaring hole is a #4 defense. Jokkipakka has disappointed me this year, not sure if he'll stick or Vegas will get him. Wotherspoon or Engellend on the cheap can be the #6. Andersson and/or Kylington are most likely not going to be ready for #4 duties next year. They will need one more year anyway. So a guy on an expiring contract is ideal.

So we need a #4 and a goalie(unless Elliot steps up, great game for Islanders)

We have these pieces to move;

Backlund(last year on his contract, not sure if we have space)
Frolik/Brouwer(like them both but they'd be gone tomorrow for the right package,
Bouma
Stajan
Shinkaruk(look at the LW depth)
Picks
Lots of prospects, Mangiapane looks legit

Anyone not on that list, other teams are not going to like the price for.

I do think Vegas will claim Kulak unless Treliving gives up something to convince them otherwise.

 

[DJJones]

I do think Vegas will claim Kulak unless Treliving gives up something to convince them otherwise.

Ya maybe, he's fallen off a bit but it's too be expected from a Rookie. Lots of potential.

Jokkipakka would be alright in his place though. I just want a legit #4

 

[viper0220]

Pierre McGuire was on TSN 1200 (Ottawa) this morning and stated he knows that another Eastern team not named Toronto made a substantial offer to Calgary for Hamilton. He gave no hints on which team that was but I thought I would pass that along.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Pierre McGuire was on TSN 1200 (Ottawa) this morning and stated he knows that another Eastern team not named Toronto made a substantial offer to Calgary for Hamilton. He gave no hints on which team that was but I thought I would pass that along.

Feel like it wouldve been Detroit.

 

[DJJones]

Pretty much all of Calgary's media is strongly against moving Hamilton.

Just don't see what Detroit has to offer that would make Brad blink.

 

[Territory]

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Pierre McGuire was on TSN 1200 (Ottawa) this morning and stated he knows that another Eastern team not named Toronto made a substantial offer to Calgary for Hamilton. He gave no hints on which team that was but I thought I would pass that along.

Well that puts an end to the JVR for Hamilton speculation.

 

[sureloss]

lol