Post-Game Talk: Dog's Breakfast

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will1066

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The roster really isn't that good anymore.

As usual the organization didn't prepare for the downfall of vets like Kreider and Zibanejad.

Now we have aging forwards who aren't good and young forwards who never learned how to be top line NHLers.

We are going to replay the worst of the Lundqvist years.

Drury gave Zibanejad that contract knowing full well he was never going to get the full term's worth of performance. No big contract ever does, really. But that's the market dynamics. You are forced to do business for players to get their one-time career huge bag that takes them to the sundown years of their careers. But no one could've predicted how fast and how hard Zibanejad would fall.
 

Fitzy

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The rebuild died when Laff and Kakko never became superstars. And their one shrewd pick with Chytil and his dumb concussion luck was the nail in the coffin. Everything else is window dressing.
Neither were realistically projected as superstars before the draft to be fair to them.

There was a much wider distribution of projections as to what Kakko might be, but neither were thought of like Malkin, Ovechkin, Crosby, Eichel before the draft. They were Taylor Hall/Patrik Laine level prospects.
 

KirkAlbuquerque

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Neither were realistically projected as superstars before the draft to be fair to them.

There was a much wider distribution of projections as to what Kakko might be, but neither were thought of like Malkin, Ovechkin, Crosby, Eichel before the draft. They were Taylor Hall/Patrik Laine level prospects.
Cope. They were both considered to be close to “guaranteed” elite players .
 
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Irishguy42

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Machinehead

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Drury gave Zibanejad that contract knowing full well he was never going to get the full term's worth of performance. No big contract ever does, really. But that's the market dynamics. You are forced to do business for players to get their one-time career huge bag that takes them to the sundown years of their careers. But no one could've predicted how fast and how hard Zibanejad would fall.
I've always been in the camp of "everyone signs that deal," and really the same for Igor tbh, but now that I think about it, no. f*** that. Innovate.

You couldn't trade a core piece coming off of a great season until Florida did and won a Cup. Change the way business is done.

That's what I want. A departure from the same old shit.
 
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Neither were realistically projected as superstars before the draft to be fair to them.

There was a much wider distribution of projections as to what Kakko might be, but neither were thought of like Malkin, Ovechkin, Crosby, Eichel before the draft. They were Taylor Hall/Patrik Laine level prospects.
I feel like at least laff had superstar potential. Maybe not generational but just a notch below.
 

LiveLongandProspal

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There's not a lot of appealing HC available. Boudreau? McClellan? Woodcroft? Babcock? Obviously we're not going to re-hire Gallant. MAYBE Darryl Sutter in the short-term?

Really shitty choices all-around. I wonder if the Rangers would go the assistant route in the season like the Devils did with Lindy Ruff a few years ago.

But IDK, I have a strong feeling that Drury is going to opt for Quenneville...but he shouldn't, and we should fire Drury before he makes any decision.
 

17futurecap

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Right, and you can chalk some of that up to luck, but they should have been aggressive in making big trade swings as soon as that become apparent,

They waited until Kakko's value was basically a 3rd and a 6th.

Miss me with that patience and development bullshit. If your lottery pick is him, you can tell immediately.

Hawks were smart dumping Dach as soon as his ELC ended, and got back the 13th pick in the draft.
 

Megustaelhockey

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There's not a lot of appealing HC available. Boudreau? McClellan? Woodcroft? Babcock? Obviously we're not going to re-hire Gallant. MAYBE Darryl Sutter in the short-term?

Really shitty choices all-around. I wonder if the Rangers would go the assistant route in the season like the Devils did with Lindy Ruff a few years ago.

But IDK, I have a strong feeling that Drury is going to opt for Quenneville...but he shouldn't, and we should fire Drury before he makes any decision.
We are not in a golden age of coaching right now. If we do make a change, I say go way off the board. Where was Spencer Carbery before? Nowhere...
 
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NickyFotiu

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Tell that to the Devils.
Devils had a heck of an offseason and were pretty darn good in 2022. Is not just a coach. The coach they fired last season did well just the season prior to that. Guys do not forget how to coach. Look at last years Cup winning coach. He has lost a lot of games and won a lot of games over the years for different teams. He does not just forget how to coach in some years and remember how in other years.
 

mandiblesofdoom

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I think you need an owner who cares and is willing to spend $$ but also wants to find the best hockey mind to run the team and then step back
You need a newer school GM who can really evaluate the team and players and how to build a team but has at least an idea of how to build the chemistry of a team.
You need a coach who can pull a team together but knows how to leverage statistics and evaluate players realistically and not based on vibes.
This is it. The whole "bring me Quenneville" or whatever doesn't address the real issue. We don't want to yell at these players harder. We want a productive hockey culture that thinks long term & scouts & develops well.
 

Machinehead

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The same team that was just as good a couple of years ago but had awful goaltending? With the worlds worst head coach Lindy ruff no less. It’s not the coach.
Worst coach ever Lindy Ruff is the sole reason that series went 7, but they still won, so...

Coaching is marginal.

Maybe bring that concern to me when the team is good and that's a worthwhile discussion.

Right now, it's lipstick on a pig.
 
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duhmetreE

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Of all possible criticisms to level at Peter Laviolette, a complicated system is not one of them. His stuff is *all* 15+ years old (and totally works if a team hasn't quit, btw).
It’s outdated system.

We also don’t have the horses to run a modern system.

its a mess
 
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will1066

If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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NHL coaches just don’t influence on ice results that much.

It’s the players not being good enough and it always has been.

Yes. But they look utterly confused on who to cover, utterly confused on when to and when not to pinch. All three forwards going deep, doing nothing and getting turnstiled on the transition. It's bad. And it's exacerbated by players not playing with familiar mates with the trades and healthy scratches.
 
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