Does dubas remain GM if the leafs get bounced by Florida?

[ToneDog]

Well now let's be a little fair, this Panthers team is clearly better than people thought it was. Remember, they did beat the best team in the NHL (at least on paper) before they met the Leafs. Before being too hard on Dubas and team leadership at least pause to consider that the Panthers might just be really freaking good this year.

Yup and they all but swept the Leafs, winning all 3 games in Toronto's barn. After putting up 2 goals per game in their last 7 playoff game, the Bruins would have rolled the Leafs in 4 IMO.

 

[TorMapleJays]

Yup and they all but swept the Leafs, winning all 3 games in Toronto's barn. After putting up 2 goals per game in their last 7 playoff game, the Bruins would have rolled the Leafs in 4 IMO.

I think Toronto would have played them harder.

 

[ToneDog]

I think Toronto would have played them harder.

Bruins have better goal scorers than Florida. Be interesting to find out why they think the lost to the Panthers.

 

[PromisedLand]

Problem for Dubas is that his contract runs till June 30th, so the Leafs can easily wait those teams out since i'm sure Calgary & Pitt will want someone to be in place before the draft.

Dubas can easily resign nobody is stopping him from doing that

 

[hockeywiz542]

Kyle Dubas should return as Maple Leafs GM (if he wants to stay). But not without changing - The Athletic

Let’s dive right into this: Kyle Dubas should return as Maple Leafs general manager.

He’s the best GM the Leafs have had in the last 20 years and it’s not really all that close. (Who’s No. 2?)

One serious caveat: Will the Leafs make a commitment that entices him to stay? That seems like an important part of this whole conversation. A short-term deal may not do it for Dubas, not when there are other jobs available now and jobs to be had down the line. More autonomy is sure to be a requirement for him as well.

If he does end up sticking around, Dubas is going to have to adjust what he’s doing in ways big and small to guide the Leafs far beyond where they’ve gone to this point. Which is one playoff round in the last five seasons.

Dubas’ five-year anniversary was on Thursday.

He’s been creative as GM, with help from No. 2 in command Brandon Pridham. What he’s not been, not enough to this point anyway, is cutthroat in his approach. And the road ahead, the road just this summer, is going to require a Leafs GM who is willing to make a series of cold, hard decisions, the queasy but necessary variety required in pro sports.

Dubas hasn’t always been that guy. He’ll need to summon his inner Steve Yzerman and give no f—s after all this.

 

[killer1980]

Old farts in suits will never admit they made a mistake by putting that useless POS in the first place. For some reason aging businessmen are enamored by young guys whether talented or not. When I was working every few years the next 'Boy Genius' would come strutting in only to run the business into the toilet. In all my years, I only was aware of one 'Boy Genius' that actually knew what he was doing... And that was me!

 

[capfit9]

Dubas can easily resign nobody is stopping him from doing that

I would want nothing more than him to do that but its too obvious, tampering incoming

 

[nuck]

I agree with you. But the experiment is not Dubas and more with the top guys.
Like I said in another thread, if the new GM is just coming in and getting a new coach with the same core, there will be no difference.
If Dubas hires a new coach and trade JT for Wilson and Mantha, why cut him.

Dubas is the chef and the winning the Cup is like thanksgiving dinner. Right now, none of our top guys is Turkey and that’s why we can’t have a great thanksgiving dinner. Changing the chef with the same ingredients(players) won’t change anything.

The key is to getting players more suited to compliment AM, MM and Willie by trading JT. If that’s doesn’t work, you look at trading AM, MM and Willie, whoever that’s still don’t have the right mindset.

Dubas can't and won't trade JT nor will his replacement. Never mind the representations made to Tavares to get him to come, that would have a potential affect on luring any other coveted UFA. Plus JT wouldn't waive so it would just be some ugly shade on the club if they tried.

KD has had years and numerous failures to hire a new coach. Why after this does he suddenly see the light? Why does he get to make the same mistake for years and then make a move only with a gun to his head? The mess is his creation so why is he a reliable choice to fix it? We know now he will hesitate to fire a coach who doesn't succeed, that he will fail to rehome players like Barrie who aren't a fit, and that he will stick with a group of favorites whether they earn all that or not. We also know he has is cursed for playoff goaltending, and only a holdover from Lamoriello's era has shown any light lately.

The chef didn't know how to cook a great meal. He had an idea based on the obvious way to cook a turkey but he didn't spend enough time as a sous chef. Self taught did not make him ready for the big chair.

He may be absolutely ready now but if it is agreed there is significant change required, we have no proof he knows what needs to be done and will go through with it. He didn't a year ago right? Do we know if he can re-up any of the big 3 for a value contract or will he set the market again?

He is a smart guy, although stubborn, but it would be dangerous to assume that he will make all the necessary adjustments if he has another 4 years. That is as random as what an new GM might create. This club had 105 points in 17-18 without a 70 point player and they are a 111 point team now with a whole bunch of free agents. They will be fine with a new cook in the kitchen.

 

[IPS]

Kyle Dubas should return as Maple Leafs GM (if he wants to stay). But not without changing - The Athletic

Let’s dive right into this: Kyle Dubas should return as Maple Leafs general manager.

He’s the best GM the Leafs have had in the last 20 years and it’s not really all that close. (Who’s No. 2?)

One serious caveat: Will the Leafs make a commitment that entices him to stay? That seems like an important part of this whole conversation. A short-term deal may not do it for Dubas, not when there are other jobs available now and jobs to be had down the line. More autonomy is sure to be a requirement for him as well.

If he does end up sticking around, Dubas is going to have to adjust what he’s doing in ways big and small to guide the Leafs far beyond where they’ve gone to this point. Which is one playoff round in the last five seasons.

Dubas’ five-year anniversary was on Thursday.

He’s been creative as GM, with help from No. 2 in command Brandon Pridham. What he’s not been, not enough to this point anyway, is cutthroat in his approach. And the road ahead, the road just this summer, is going to require a Leafs GM who is willing to make a series of cold, hard decisions, the queasy but necessary variety required in pro sports.

Dubas hasn’t always been that guy. He’ll need to summon his inner Steve Yzerman and give no f—s after all this.

It's not even Monday and this bullshit shilling has already begun.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Dubas can't and won't trade JT nor will his replacement. Never mind the representations made to Tavares to get him to come, that would have a potential affect on luring any other coveted UFA. Plus JT wouldn't waive so it would just be some ugly shade on the club if they tried.

KD has had years and numerous failures to hire a new coach. Why after this does he suddenly see the light? Why does he get to make the same mistake for years and then make a move only with a gun to his head? The mess is his creation so why is he a reliable choice to fix it? We know now he will hesitate to fire a coach who doesn't succeed, that he will fail to rehome players like Barrie who aren't a fit, and that he will stick with a group of favorites whether they earn all that or not. We also know he has is cursed for playoff goaltending, and only a holdover from Lamoriello's era has shown any light lately.

The chef didn't know how to cook a great meal. He had an idea based on the obvious way to cook a turkey but he didn't spend enough time as a sous chef. Self taught did not make him ready for the big chair.

He may be absolutely ready now but if it is agreed there is significant change required, we have no proof he knows what needs to be done and will go through with it. He didn't a year ago right? Do we know if he can re-up any of the big 3 for a value contract or will he set the market again?

He is a smart guy, although stubborn, but it would be dangerous to assume that he will make all the necessary adjustments if he has another 4 years. That is as random as what an new GM might create. This club had 105 points in 17-18 without a 70 point player and they are a 111 point team now with a whole bunch of free agents. They will be fine with a new cook in the kitchen.

An added bonus to replacing Dubas, it will enable us to to have trade talks with more than 3 teams that he exclusively deals with now (CBJ,STL and ARZ) and actually get value back. There is the double silver lining.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Kyle Dubas should return as Maple Leafs GM (if he wants to stay). But not without changing - The Athletic

Let’s dive right into this: Kyle Dubas should return as Maple Leafs general manager.

He’s the best GM the Leafs have had in the last 20 years and it’s not really all that close. (Who’s No. 2?)

One serious caveat: Will the Leafs make a commitment that entices him to stay? That seems like an important part of this whole conversation. A short-term deal may not do it for Dubas, not when there are other jobs available now and jobs to be had down the line. More autonomy is sure to be a requirement for him as well.

If he does end up sticking around, Dubas is going to have to adjust what he’s doing in ways big and small to guide the Leafs far beyond where they’ve gone to this point. Which is one playoff round in the last five seasons.

Dubas’ five-year anniversary was on Thursday.

He’s been creative as GM, with help from No. 2 in command Brandon Pridham. What he’s not been, not enough to this point anyway, is cutthroat in his approach. And the road ahead, the road just this summer, is going to require a Leafs GM who is willing to make a series of cold, hard decisions, the queasy but necessary variety required in pro sports.

Dubas hasn’t always been that guy. He’ll need to summon his inner Steve Yzerman and give no f—s after all this.

No thanks.

 

[facelessjoe1990]

Oh, please let it be true.

Is Howard Berger legit? Does he actually know anything?

 

[Apex Predator]

An added bonus to replacing Dubas, it will enable us to to have trade talks with more than 3 teams that he exclusively deals with now (CBJ,STL and ARZ) and actually get value back. There is the double silver lining.

Don’t forget Chicago

 

[Gabriel426]

Dubas can't and won't trade JT nor will his replacement. Never mind the representations made to Tavares to get him to come, that would have a potential affect on luring any other coveted UFA. Plus JT wouldn't waive so it would just be some ugly shade on the club if they tried.

KD has had years and numerous failures to hire a new coach. Why after this does he suddenly see the light? Why does he get to make the same mistake for years and then make a move only with a gun to his head? The mess is his creation so why is he a reliable choice to fix it? We know now he will hesitate to fire a coach who doesn't succeed, that he will fail to rehome players like Barrie who aren't a fit, and that he will stick with a group of favorites whether they earn all that or not. We also know he has is cursed for playoff goaltending, and only a holdover from Lamoriello's era has shown any light lately.

The chef didn't know how to cook a great meal. He had an idea based on the obvious way to cook a turkey but he didn't spend enough time as a sous chef. Self taught did not make him ready for the big chair.

He may be absolutely ready now but if it is agreed there is significant change required, we have no proof he knows what needs to be done and will go through with it. He didn't a year ago right? Do we know if he can re-up any of the big 3 for a value contract or will he set the market again?

He is a smart guy, although stubborn, but it would be dangerous to assume that he will make all the necessary adjustments if he has another 4 years. That is as random as what a new GM might create. This club had 105 points in 17-18 without a 70 point player and they are a 111 point team now with a whole bunch of free agents. They will be fine with a new cook in the kitchen.

We can agree that changes are needed to the core.

I think our difference is do we trust Dubas to make those changes?
After the TDL, I have faith. But he seems to wait for the type players available when that team is on sale mode instead of going aggressively to make a trade with contending teams. It can be good or bad depends on the outcome.

 

[Racer88]

Hopefully tomorrow is hammer time

 

[Gabriel426]

Hopefully tomorrow is hammer time

Is tomorrow locker clean out day

 

[Racer88]

Is tomorrow locker clean out day

Probably but I’m not sure. I wonder if Keefe and Dubas have a locker. Lol

 

[A1LeafNation]

July 1st Sweeney fired and Dubas hired. Dubas hires Keefe and fire Montgomery.

Dubas waits a year and brings in Matthews.

They all go on to win cups and dominate the Leafs for a decade.

 

[Gabriel426]

Probably but I’m not sure. I wonder if Keefe and Dubas have a locker. Lol

Keefe does and Dubas should have a desk somewhere in the building, lol.

I really won’t be surprise if Dubas ends up being the last man standing and Shanny and Keefe are gone

 

[myleafs]

There is so much work to do before July 1, I think the Leafs are forced to extend Dubas.

Extending Dubas before the playoffs this year would have looked bad if they bounced to Tampa.

It will still look pretty bad if they announce his extention after what just happened.

 

[ToneDog]

Keefe does and Dubas should have a desk somewhere in the building, lol.

I really won’t be surprise if Dubas ends up being the last man standing and Shanny and Keefe are gone

Shanny still has a few years left in his contract. He has distanced himself from Dubas and IMO he might be the one to stay if he fires Dubas and Keefe.

 

[Racer88]

Keefe does and Dubas should have a desk somewhere in the building, lol.

I really won’t be surprise if Dubas ends up being the last man standing and Shanny and Keefe are gone

I would bet against his ability to survive. It would be sad but totally leaf like

July 1st Sweeney fired and Dubas hired. Dubas hires Keefe and fire Montgomery.

Dubas waits a year and brings in Matthews.

They all go on to win cups and dominate the Leafs for a decade.

Maybe that’s possible with 1 - 12 million dollar player but we now know for sure it won’t happen with 3 of them on the team

 

[Racer88]

The only way I would be able to stomach Dubas staying is if he agreed to fire Keefe and move one of Matthews or Marner

 

[mikeyz]

It's Howard Berger so probably click bait.

Was just about to say this. I trust Kipper over Berger.

The only way I would be able to stomach Dubas staying is if he agreed to fire Keefe and move one of Matthews or Marner

Agreed 100%

 

[horner]

We were outclassed badly by the Bolts, 9 out of 10 we lose that series.

Cats were pretty even. Both teams had trouble connecting and converting. Cats won the puck battles, forecheck, and physical game, and that was enough to keep them slightly ahead with consistency.

Ultimately we won 5 games this post season, 4 in OT and a few of those were bad. Can't imagine anyone who was watching games across the league was making any wagers on the Leafs.

I don't thinkv we played great against TB
Hedman was hurt there other top dman wasnt available after the Bunting elbow.
We came alive in the 3rd period.

The Florida series was winable but we didn't find a way to beat Bob.

One thing i have noticed is that we had no clue how to break out of our zone even defensive coverage was garbage when pressured in both series coaching or players not listening

Hell Seattle is better than us at both against Dallas .

That is why i want all management gone , because this has been a persitant problem for yrs

Seattle has figured out how to beat a great young goaltender 13 times in 2 games Jake Ottenger

40 million have never figured out how to beat great goaltending in the playoffs .