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Do You Want Gerard Gallant Fired?

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KirkAlbuquerque said:
Which one should we not have fired?
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
What kind of logic is this? You keep trying until you find the right coach for your team. Gallant is so very obviously not it.
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You just keep hiring and firing coaches regardless of if they are the issue or not? Sounds logical. What about the coaches that won in their 5 years with clubs? You would have fired them after 2 years.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
You just keep hiring and firing coaches regardless of if they are the issue or not? Sounds logical. What about the coaches that won in their 5 years with clubs? You would have fired them after 2 years.
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If they were as shit as GG, yes. How many coaches last 5 years anymore? Trotz brought the Islanders back from dead and was fired after 3.
 
bobbop said:
Of course not. He is doing a good job with the roster he has been given
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A good job? You're blaming the roster when he's got a Vezina goalie, a Norris D man, superstar forwards and which is brimming with young up and coming talent? A roster whose only issues is generally seen as lack of 1 top-6 vet RW and maybe an upgrade at 6 LD? How many teams in the NHL have better rosters than the Rangers? Boston, Colorado and...? There are better teams (which falls on coaching), but not many better rosters.

This guy is underperforming so hard it isn't even funny.
 
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Machinehead said:
Why would this change anyone's opinion? Halak is red hot.

He's been an NHL goaltender for 17 years, has a good chance to pick up 300 wins, and has one of the best GSAA since the lockout.

Get a load of this dumbass coach playing a good goalie.
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Thanks for posting this, said this in the Roster builder thread, that he has been playing very well as of late. I just don’t understand the concern here. Shesty is not exactly having a Vezina type season.
 
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CLW said:
A good job? You're blaming the roster when he's got a Vezina goalie, a Norris D man, superstar forwards and which is brimming with young up and coming talent? A roster whose only issues is generally seen as lack of 1 top-6 vet RW and maybe an upgrade at 6 LD? How many teams in the NHL have better rosters than the Rangers? Boston, Colorado and...? There are better teams (which falls on coaching), but not many better rosters.

This guy is underperforming so hard it isn't even funny.
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Exactly. Especially the forward group:

Panarin should be on pace for 30-70-100.
Zibanejad should be on pace for 40-50-90.
Kreider should be on pace for 40-35-75 (at least he's close).
Lafreniere should be on pace for 20-30-50.
Kakko should be on pace for 25-30-55.
Trocheck, playing with the linemates he has, should be on pace for 25-40-65.
Kravtsov should be on pace for 15-20-35.

Chytil, Kreider, Goodrow, and Vesey are the only ones on pace for what should reasonably be expected of them. Even as good as Gauthier's looked, and as willing to shoot as he's been, hit shot rate is way down from last year, and that's because he's barely getting any ice time despite clearly being too good for the 4th line, but unable to earn a promotion.

But that's OK, guys. This team just sucks at drafting forwards. Every FA forward gets progressively worse when they're here, and none of our forward prospects develop ever, but they just all suck. Every one of them, without fail. If only we didn't draft stupid, or if we won the lottery in Hughes' year...this team wouldn't have turned him into a middling too-small forward that fans want to beefcake at the gym next offseason so he can maybe turn into a gritty two way center with a 50-point ceiling. It's not the dinosaur headcoach that insists Jimmy Vesey and Barclay Goodrow belong in the top 6, lets the veterans pick where they play, and doesn't communicate to the young players clearly. It's not the joke of a skills coach who runs practices like he's coaching bantam.

Never mind most of this team's deficiencies have been covered up by having a Hall of Fame goalie for most of the past 20 years, and getting a strong candidate to end up there someday in Shesterkin almost immediately after the HoF goalie's time finished.

I have been watching this dinosaur mentality win absolutely nothing my entire life, and I want to watch something different. Maybe we could, you know, start by trying things that the actually successful teams in the league have been doing?
 
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CLW said:
A good job? You're blaming the roster when he's got a Vezina goalie, a Norris D man, superstar forwards and which is brimming with young up and coming talent? A roster whose only issues is generally seen as lack of 1 top-6 vet RW and maybe an upgrade at 6 LD? How many teams in the NHL have better rosters than the Rangers? Boston, Colorado and...? There are better teams (which falls on coaching), but not many better rosters.

This guy is underperforming so hard it isn't even funny.
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All that talent the geniuses here want to take off PP1?

KirkAlbuquerque said:
When you’ve been banging a 2 for so long even a 5 looks like a dime piece
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Explains your issue
 
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hockeyman001 said:
Exactly. Especially the forward group:

Panarin should be on pace for 30-70-100.
Zibanejad should be on pace for 40-50-90.
Kreider should be on pace for 40-35-75 (at least he's close).
Lafreniere should be on pace for 20-30-50.
Kakko should be on pace for 25-30-55.
Trocheck, playing with the linemates he has, should be on pace for 25-40-65.
Kravtsov should be on pace for 15-20-35.

Chytil, Kreider, Goodrow, and Vesey are the only ones on pace for what should reasonably be expected of them. Even as good as Gauthier's looked, and as willing to shoot as he's been, hit shot rate is way down from last year, and that's because he's barely getting any ice time despite clearly being too good for the 4th line, but unable to earn a promotion.

But that's OK, guys. This team just sucks at drafting forwards. Every FA forward gets progressively worse when they're here, and none of our forward prospects develop ever, but they just all suck. Every one of them, without fail. If only we didn't draft stupid, or if we won the lottery in Hughes' year...this team wouldn't have turned him into a middling too-small forward that fans want to beefcake at the gym next offseason so he can maybe turn into a gritty two way center with a 50-point ceiling. It's not the dinosaur headcoach that insists Jimmy Vesey and Barclay Goodrow belong in the top 6, lets the veterans pick where they play, and doesn't communicate to the young players clearly. It's not the joke of a skills coach who runs practices like he's coaching bantam.

Never mind most of this team's deficiencies have been covered up by having a Hall of Fame goalie for most of the past 20 years, and getting a strong candidate to end up there someday in Shesterkin almost immediately after the HoF goalie's time finished.

I have been watching this dinosaur mentality win absolutely nothing my entire life, and I want to watch something different. Maybe we could, you know, start by trying things that the actually successful teams in the league have been doing?
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You listed 7 forwards who should all be having career or near career years. It's nice to want things like that but to use the word should with those kinds of numbers is comical.
hockeyman001 said:
Exactly. Especially the forward group:

Panarin should be on pace for 30-70-100.
Zibanejad should be on pace for 40-50-90.
Kreider should be on pace for 40-35-75 (at least he's close).
Lafreniere should be on pace for 20-30-50.
Kakko should be on pace for 25-30-55.
Trocheck, playing with the linemates he has, should be on pace for 25-40-65.
Kravtsov should be on pace for 15-20-35.

Chytil, Kreider, Goodrow, and Vesey are the only ones on pace for what should reasonably be expected of them. Even as good as Gauthier's looked, and as willing to shoot as he's been, hit shot rate is way down from last year, and that's because he's barely getting any ice time despite clearly being too good for the 4th line, but unable to earn a promotion.

But that's OK, guys. This team just sucks at drafting forwards. Every FA forward gets progressively worse when they're here, and none of our forward prospects develop ever, but they just all suck. Every one of them, without fail. If only we didn't draft stupid, or if we won the lottery in Hughes' year...this team wouldn't have turned him into a middling too-small forward that fans want to beefcake at the gym next offseason so he can maybe turn into a gritty two way center with a 50-point ceiling. It's not the dinosaur headcoach that insists Jimmy Vesey and Barclay Goodrow belong in the top 6, lets the veterans pick where they play, and doesn't communicate to the young players clearly. It's not the joke of a skills coach who runs practices like he's coaching bantam.

Never mind most of this team's deficiencies have been covered up by having a Hall of Fame goalie for most of the past 20 years, and getting a strong candidate to end up there someday in Shesterkin almost immediately after the HoF goalie's time finished.

I have been watching this dinosaur mentality win absolutely nothing my entire life, and I want to watch something different. Maybe we could, you know, start by trying things that the actually successful teams in the league have been doing?
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Saying 7 players should have career or near-career years at the same time doesn't seem realistic to me.
 
chosen said:
You listed 7 forwards who should all be having career or near career years. It's nice to want things like that but to use the word should with those kinds of numbers is comical.

Saying 7 players should have career or near-career years at the same time doesn't seem realistic to me.
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Actually, near career years should be what's expected of players who could still be reasonably expected to be in their prime and have had no significant injuries.

Panarin's career year was 19-20. He was on pace for 115 points, which would have been a career year by 20. Mika probably seriously challenges 50 if they play the rest of the season, and would have threatened 100 points had they played 82 and he not missed a dozen games with injury. Kreider's careeer year was last year.

Expecting Lafreniere and Kakko to make strides is not a career year, but the rational progression of young players who should be demonstrably getting beter every year. Same goes for expecting Kravtsov to produce around .5 PPG, or Trocheck's assist totals to be higher playing with much more skilled forwards here.

Expecting these guys as a collection of very talented players to produce close to their better seasons while still in their athletic prime is not unreasonable, it's what winning teams routinely do. Pretty sure expecting Stamkos to go 40-50-90 is not "unreasonable" but expected...and that's a guy who only has 1 100 point season under his belt. Panarin's flirted with 100 points a ton, and expecting him to do so again is somehow too high of an expectation? Zibanejad had a garbage start to last season and still finished with 81 points, and expecting 90 is somehow too high?

Raise your expectations. That's what a serious Cup contender would look like at this point in the season.

The fact they're not looking like that is how far off they are. They're not winning anything this year if this is how they play the rest of the season. I'll be thrilled if they turn on the afterburners and prove me wrong, but I highly doubt it. Fact is, they were playing better at the start of the season. They were moving the puck, they were creating chances in scoring areas, and they were scoring goals. The defense was terrible, but KAM was not playing a fraction as well as he is now, Trouba was full pylon out there (at least now he's back to half pylon), Schneider looked like a rookie, and Zac Jones and Libor Hajek with him ensured one third of our D pairs spent their shifts pinned in their own end. Now Schneider has been low key very good, and KAM is looking like a stud, but the forward group is back to circling the offensive zone while doing nothing of substance, and the coach thinks putting Goodrow and Vesey on the 2nd line will fix it.
 
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CLW said:
A good job? You're blaming the roster when he's got a Vezina goalie, a Norris D man, superstar forwards and which is brimming with young up and coming talent? A roster whose only issues is generally seen as lack of 1 top-6 vet RW and maybe an upgrade at 6 LD? How many teams in the NHL have better rosters than the Rangers? Boston, Colorado and...? There are better teams (which falls on coaching), but not many better rosters.

This guy is underperforming so hard it isn't even funny.
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If you had ever run a hockey team (you haven’t, I have) you would see things much differently.
 
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