Salary Cap: Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations?

[nsleaf]

Now what? Votes are pretty close! What needs to happen for the Leafs now?

 

[hotpaws]

He spent the entire summer trying to sell "We before Me" and players taking less $$ but in reality it ended up max money with the players giving him less UFA years.

Dube's first mistake was trying to sell JT's deal as a discount , all his future negotiations from there went downhill .

the scary thought is how hard Marner will f*** him considering he could easily follow Willie's and Auston's lead and bend over Dubas now but still wants to wait until the summer

 

[wam_raven]

Now what? Votes are pretty close! What needs to happen for the Leafs now?

Look to void the Matthews and Nylander contracts on some sort of morals clause. Wait for one of them to swear or something. Will make them UFAs and then we will clearly sign them for less, because they're worth less.

 

[rumman]

Let's say they lose in the 1st round again this spring, then what? Do you still have to give an outrageous contract to Marner?

IF anyone's performance exceeds expectations this coming playoffs, my money's on Marner.

 

[Al14]

Any fans who have a problem with paying our ELITE trio ELITE player money are welcome to go be Senators fans instead. You'll never have to worry about cap space or having an expensive player worth paying.

You better hope our ELITE players win the Cup before the Senaturds do!

Let's hope our ELITE players can beat the lowly Senaturds tomorrow night!

Our ELITE players have not won a Stanley Cup, so, they have proven nothing yet!

 

[Trapper]

You better hope our ELITE players win the Cup before the Senaturds do!

Let's hope our ELITE players can beat the lowly Senaturds tomorrow night!

Our ELITE players have not won a Stanley Cup, so, they have proven nothing yet!

Start with a playoff series before Cup.

 

[The CyNick]

Any fans who have a problem with paying our ELITE trio ELITE player money are welcome to go be Senators fans instead. You'll never have to worry about cap space or having an expensive player worth paying.

Young GM not weaving the magic you expected? I would want to deflect the conversation if I was hoodwinked as well.

 

[Daisy Jane]

this is what happens when you don't interview for other options, not in the organization. end of story.
people lamenting "Oh but Lou" needs to remember the #1 person you want to torpedo into the sun - was signed by Lou. and Lou could have gotten Nylander done a year out and he didn't.

also. Kyle Dubas's name is not "young Gm."
It's Kyle Dubas.

 

[Al14]

Start with a playoff series before Cup.

Exactly! However, never mind winning 1 playoff series. They need to go all the way this season, because, next season, our Leafs will not have much cap room to sign any more support players, never mind any more elite players.

 

[6ix]

If you’re ever going to overpay on a contract, make sure it’s on you’re elite core players and not complimentary players. Dubas hasn’t signed a bad contract yet i.e overpaid aging veteran.

Dubas will need to come through on the complimentary player contracts like Kap and Johnsson. Marleau and Zaitsev we’re Lou’s deals.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Dubas is all about "player has to be comfortable, their choice, what the player want" etc and uses a very liberal theory when dealing with contract negotiations, media and the job in general. Thats how it looks from the outside imo and its probably a nice way to deal with tons of stuff he has to do, and important for the NHL in general as well to get some fresh blood.

Im not sure thats a very effective way of dealing with contract negotiations if you want the best possible contract for the team which is what his job is...
Players always want as much as possible, if you arent hard on them, the players and agents will keep pushing you even if you start higher and "give them" more early on for example.

There is a reason why players say arbitration is an awful thing to go thru and the team says as much bad stuff about you and your game they can without completely destroying the relationship, it works.

 

[ottomaddox]

I think it's healthy that Dubas has a near 50/50 split in support. A divided fanbase that might come together with a cup perhaps?

 

[Bomber0104]

Rielly, Kadri, and Andersen (trade and sign) were also Lou's deals.

Probably our best value contracts on the roster as of now.

 

[Nithoniniel]

this is what happens when you don't interview for other options, not in the organization. end of story.

Didn't that turn out to not be true? I remember reading Shanahan say that they did take a good long look at the other options but ended up deciding that none of them were better than the in-house alternatives.

Rielly, Kadri, and Andersen (trade and sign) were also Lou's deals.

Probably our best value contracts on the roster as of now.

Not counting ELCs. But it's important to remember that Rielly and Kadri did not exactly have brilliant seasons heading into those negotiations, and Andersen had not had a full starter workload yet. They look great now because of how they developed after the contracts were signed. Let's give these deals some time as well. For all we know, the Nylander contract might look cheap and the Matthews/Marner contracts just in line with other players as early as this summer.

 

[Al14]

I think it's healthy that Dubas has a near 50/50 split in support. A divided fanbase that might come together with a cup perhaps?

A Stanley Cup win would mend all our differences, temporarily, of course!

 

[WesMcCauley]

If you’re ever going to overpay on a contract, make sure it’s on you’re elite core players and not complimentary players. Dubas hasn’t signed a bad contract yet i.e overpaid aging veteran.

Dubas will need to come through on the complimentary player contracts like Kap and Johnsson. Marleau and Zaitsev we’re Lou’s deals.

This is a good point and i agree.
The downside is that he will have to pressure a guy like Kapanen that doesnt have arbitration rights to a bad deal for him if he isnt traded.
A huge downside and an "unfair" side of the NHL in many ways is how RFA´s without arbitration rights can get stuck on a team with very little cap room so they have no choice than signing a bad deal. Specially for the complimentary players, Nylander had that problem to an extent. But it was so important for the Leafs to get him signed because this season is a huge cup chance for Leafs because of Marner and Matthews on their ELC, Rielly, Gardiner and Andersen on good contracts etc that they couldnt let him sit out.

 

[WesMcCauley]

A Stanley Cup win would mend all our differences, temporarily, of course!

It would also mean nothing in terms of looking at the contracts Dubas have given out. The big test for Dubas as a GM is how this team will do next season and the next 5-10 years with this core.

 

[ottomaddox]

I must admit. I think Matthews is very tallented, but he certainly hasn't proven himself to be healthy in long stretches. Perhaps this is the reason he's only signed for 5 years.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Didn't that turn out to not be true? I remember reading Shanahan say that they did take a good long look at the other options but ended up deciding that none of them were better than the in-house alternatives.

he said he didn't interview outside whom he had in house, that he felt the answer was there. he didn't interview anyone outside of Hunter and Dubas (since Lamoriello had the job - and if I recall correctly, Fenton had one foot in Minnesota anyway).

Not counting ELCs. But it's important to remember that Rielly and Kadri did not exactly have brilliant seasons heading into those negotiations, and Andersen had not had a full starter workload yet. They look great now because of how they developed after the contracts were signed. Let's give these deals some time as well. For all we know, the Nylander contract might look cheap and the Matthews/Marner contracts just in line with other players as early as this summer.

we hope.

 

[WesMcCauley]

I must admit. I think Matthews is very tallented, but he certainly hasn't proven himself to be healthy in long stretches. Perhaps this is the reason he's only signed for 5 years.

Neh, he is signed for five years because that keeps his cap hit a little lower for Dubas which makes it easier to win in the next 5 years, and because he wants to be in his prime when he signs a huge ticket in five years.

 

[hotpaws]

I think it's healthy that Dubas has a near 50/50 split in support. A divided fanbase that might come together with a cup perhaps?

this thread was started about 3 weeks ago , i'd be very surprised if half the fan base still trusted him in contract negotiations

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Players we draft will be pissed. Drafted to a team with no money ?

 

[gamer1035]

How did we even hire a guy that went to Brock (no offense, Brock grads should know that's not a premier school)?

Correct me if I'm wrong, this dude got his ohl gm job due to nepotism and rode that into the leafs gm job, right?

 

[The CyNick]

this is what happens when you don't interview for other options, not in the organization. end of story.
people lamenting "Oh but Lou" needs to remember the #1 person you want to torpedo into the sun - was signed by Lou. and Lou could have gotten Nylander done a year out and he didn't.

also. Kyle Dubas's name is not "young Gm."
It's Kyle Dubas.

Lou would have had nylander done but he was a lame duck. Shanny believed like many of you that Dubas could weave some magic with the contacts. A lot of people were wrong.

 

[Menzinger]

Lou would have had nylander done but he was a lame duck. Shanny believed like many of you that Dubas could weave some magic with the contacts. A lot of people were wrong.

Lol, just making things up now I see.