Do all 3 Hughes brothers go 1st overall in their respective re-drafts?

[KillerMillerTime]

2018: I like Dahlin a lot and I think he could be the best dman in the league if he wasn't in Buffalo. Hard to choose between him and Hughes. I think Dahlin still goes #1 but barely.

2019: Seider is an animal and at his best is the most dominant player on the ice but I think it's still gotta be Jack at #1.

2021: My pre-draft was Johnson at 1 and Luke at 2 and I still feel perfectly comfortable with that. That 2021 crop looks great.

Nobody but you is taking Dahlin over Quinn.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I don’t think Power has the highest ceiling. I’d feel way more confident in Luke or Edvinsson being dominant two way D than him.

Luke Hughes will never be a "dominant" two way defender, doesn't have the size\strength.

The team completely fell to pieces roughly a minute into the 3rd vs the Avs when Dahlin was injured and are right now far worse than the Nolan team literally designed to lose games.

Buffalo has done plenty of falling apart with him.

 

[Xirik]

Luke Hughes will never be a "dominant" two way defender, doesn't have the size\strength.



Buffalo has done plenty of falling apart with him.

6'2 almost 200 LB isn't enough to be a dominant defender?

 

[nowhereman]

The fact that there are some claiming that Quinn wouldn't go first in his draft class is proof that you could run a poll asking if humans need air to breathe and you'd still get a bunch of people saying "no".

 

[KillerMillerTime]

6'2 almost 200 LB isn't enough to be a dominant defender?

That's BS .

 

[mphmiles]

Luke Hughes will never be a "dominant" two way defender, doesn't have the size\strength.

That's silly. There's plenty of players over the last decade Luke's size or smaller that have/had been dominant two way defenders.

-Tanev
-Vlasic
-Doughty
-Spurgeon
-Toews
-Brodin

Not to mention Luke's defensive numbers this year are already arguably "dominant." He's top 5 among defensemen in xGA/60. You're arguing that he won't be able to do something he's already doing.

 

[MasterofGrond]

That's BS .

what size do you think he is

 

[newfy]

I don't think you can argue anyone about Quinn right now.

I think in Jacks draft, some may prefer Seider but no one is gonna argue too hard on that one if you're taking Jack

Luke... too early to call but there's 4 or 5 other guys in that draft you can argue ahead of him so its easy to vote him no right now. You have Edvinsson on D that you can argue ahead of him on D already, you also have Guenther and Johnson looking like potential point per game or better players. Guenther might score 40 this year, and combining this year and last he's basically played a full season now at a 35 goal pace. Wyatt Jonston a couple seasons where he's shown he can be a big time scorer and two way player as well. I'm not willing to write off Mactavish yet, and there's a couple goalies on the way still that will need some time but are highly rated too

So even if you want to say he's roughly got the same chance to be the first overall pick as all those guys, I'll take the field over betting on one guy

 

[Devils731]

what size do you think he is

Not only is Luke big enough to take on most opponents physically, his skating allows him to attack from a beneficial angle so he catches opponents where they can’t use all their strength.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

what size do you think he is

6:01-185

He's a ****ing scarecrow.

 

[Lou is God]

6:01-185

He's a ****ing scarecrow.

Where are you getting 6'1" from?

 

[Clam Jensen]

6:01-185

He's a ****ing scarecrow.

Take it easy size queen, he’s already a dominant 2 way force.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The fact that there are some claiming that Quinn wouldn't go first in his draft class is proof that you could run a poll asking if humans need air to breathe and you'd still get a bunch of people saying "no".

That’s your opinion, not everyone will share the same one.
Some might prefer Tkachuk or Dahlin.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It's factually the first pair.

Seigenthaler and Kovacevic have the better 5 on 5 xGA/60 as a pair.
Moneypuck had the above pair as 6th with 150+ minutes played, and Hughes/ Pesce at 31.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Seigenthaler and Kovacevic have the better 5 on 5 xGA/60 as a pair.
Moneypuck had the above pair as 6th with 150+ minutes played, and Hughes/ Pesce at 31.

What happened to using TOI as the factor?

Luke has been our best defenseman over the last ~6 weeks and it hasn't been particularly close.

6:01-185

He's a ****ing scarecrow.

He looks closer to 6'3 than 6'1 lol.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

The Devils blue line is good enough to not actually have a third pair by any meaningful definition. Their ice time is dispersed more than most teams because each player is capable of difficult/big minutes.

 

[Crow]

what size do you think he is

I mean he is definitely bigger than ray bourque so I don’t see his size limiting him. Well not in weight but he is still so young.

He is basically Nik Lidstrom sized. Size isn’t an issue.

 

[nowhereman]

That’s your opinion, not everyone will share the same one.
Some might prefer Tkachuk or Dahlin.

"Quinn Hughes is Quinn Hughes. But Dahlin could be anything. He could even be Quinn Hughes!"

Quinn is a 25 year old Norris-winner who looks primed to win another one this season. He's on pace to break the 100 point barrier, while the next best player on the team might struggle to break 70 points. And if he has a 3-assist game tomorrow, only Bobby Orr will have notched more apples by the 400 game mark.

The only player I am 100% sure controls play and dominates his opponents at a greater level than Hughes would be McDavid. People can prefer a guy like Brady Tkachuk but that would be like preferring Jack Eichel to Nathan MacKinnon.

 

[QJL]

The amount of criticism I got putting Quinn first overall in my draft ranking was startling. The talent was always there. 6 teams missed big.

 

[Regal]

That’s your opinion, not everyone will share the same one.
Some might prefer Tkachuk or Dahlin.

I can understand someone still thinking Dahlin might take it to the next level with extra size on Hughes, but there’s no objective argument for Tkachuk.

 

[Golden_Jet]

What happened to using TOI as the factor?

It was ranked by xGA per 60 minutes played

Seigs and Kova 525 minutes xGA/60 is 1.61 @ 5 on 5 for 6th
Pesce and Hughes 406 minutes xGA/60 is 2.05 for 31st.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

What happened to using TOI as the factor?

Luke has been our best defenseman over the last ~6 weeks and it hasn't been particularly close.


He looks closer to 6'3 than 6'1 lol.

BS

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It was ranked by xGA per 60 minutes played

Seigs and Kova 525 minutes xGA/60 is 1.61 @ 5 on 5 for 6th
Pesce and Hughes 406 minutes xGA/60 is 2.05 for 31st.

Is xGA/60 the best way to rate defenseman?

I would think xG% would be better. xG differential per 60 is probably even better. Luke Hughes leads all defenseman in the league in both.

BS

Nope, it's true. Watch a game.

 

[Beniersgeron]

Well, 2021 obviously I go with Beniers as 1st overall

 

[dgibb10]

It was ranked by xGA per 60 minutes played

Seigs and Kova 525 minutes xGA/60 is 1.61 @ 5 on 5 for 6th
Pesce and Hughes 406 minutes xGA/60 is 2.05 for 31st.

Weird bc when I check it has them at 24th.

Siegs-Kovy is an elite defensive pair. 6th in xGA, excellent at shutting down the opposition.
Dougie-Dillon is an elite offensive pair. 7th in xGF.

Luke-Pesce do both. 5th in xGF, 24th in xGA.


This really isn't a complicated concept.

Luke: 1st pairing, 2nd PP
Pesce: 1st pairing, 2nd PK
Hamilton: 3rd pairing, 1st PP
Dillon: 3rd pairing, 1st PK
Kovacevic: 2nd pairing, 1st PK
Siegs: 2nd pairing, 2nd PK.

The left side is more defined, with a clear 1 (Luke) 2 (Siegs) 3 (Dillon). On the right side they'll try and get dougie extra shifts where possible. When trailing they'll lean more on Dougie. When leading more on Kovy.