OT: Discusión del Fútbol (EPL, FIFA, LIGA, USMNT, USWNT, MLS, etc) - Parte Cinco

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Ha, and now Claudio has stepped down from Austin FC. This shit show just keeps getting better and better…
 

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Ha, and now Claudio has stepped down from Austin FC. This shit show just keeps getting better and better…
I might watch them again the next WC. (Auto)Qualifying means nothing….


Any word why? He get fired? Or is he taking Stewart’s job so he can hire a coach who will stroke his son’s ego?
 

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interesting…”undisclosed fee”.
 

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I might watch them again the next WC. (Auto)Qualifying means nothing….


Any word why? He get fired? Or is he taking Stewart’s job so he can hire a coach who will stroke his son’s
The article just says:
Claudio Reyna has stepped down as sporting director of Austin FC and will "transition into a technical advisor role," the Major League Soccer club announced Thursday.
Sources have told ESPN that Reyna had backed away from some of his duties as sporting director in Austin, though earlier this month the club insisted that nothing had changed with regard to his role. Now Reyna is out as sporting director, though he will contribute in an advisory role.
Honestly my first thought was he is positioning himself to take a role with the US men’s team. I’m sure he can do both that and serve as a ‘technical advisor’ in Austin.
 

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The article just says:


Honestly my first thought was he is positioning himself to take a role with the US men’s team. I’m sure he can do both that and serve as a ‘technical advisor’ in Austin.

My first thought, as well.

Even if there's an eventual perceived conflict of interest with the "advisory" job (pfffft) then he can eventually resign. It's likely just a way for him to clear the way while he makes a run at the USMNT job.

He may even have the inside track, hence the early move to give his old boss notice.

Or, we're just loading up on tinfoil hats.
 

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No to Reyna having any type of leadership role with US Soccer. Would send the completely wrong message.
I think that depends on what message they are trying to send.

With all the inappropriate conduct issues that have occurred over on US Soccer sponsored NWSL and adding a 30ish year old domestic violence incident with Berhalter, encouraging and then promoting whistleblowers may be exactly the message they want to send.

I would find that absurd but in no way can I rule it out with that organization.
 

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I think that depends on what message they are trying to send.

With all the inappropriate conduct issues that have occurred over on US Soccer sponsored NWSL and adding a 30ish year old domestic violence incident with Berhalter, encouraging and then promoting whistleblowers may be exactly the message they want to send.

I would find that absurd but in no way can I rule it out with that organization.
The kind of mental gymnastics needed to justify him having a role in player pool or coach selection would have to be Olympic caliber. He’s not a whistleblower. He’s known about this for decades and only came forward because he was upset his son didn’t play more. I’ll say that again: he and his wife tried to ruin Berhalter’s life because they were upset his son didn’t play more in a soccer game. I think Gregg is a dope and I think he should have nothing to do with the NT moving forward but he didn’t deserve that, even if he did handle the Gio case before, during, and after the World Cup about as poorly as he could have. And I think the Reyna parents are pathetic and have no business being anywhere near US Soccer.

In much better news…
 

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Not super thrilled with this but we’ll see. Arsenal would have been a better move for him. Also a lot of pressure on Marsch.
He needs to go somewhere where he is going to play regularly IMO. He has a LOT better chance of doing that at Leeds than Arsenal.
 
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He needs to go somewhere where he is going to play regularly IMO. He has a LOT better chance of doing that at Leeds than Arsenal.
Yes and no. In theory you're probably right but Arsenal have very little depth, if any, behind Xhaka and Partey. Lokonga is terrible and has the professionalism of a petulant child and Elneny is nowhere near being close to playing again with his injuries. Viera is depth for Odegard and Smith Rowe will spell Martinelli but they really have no one they can rely on behind Xhaka and Partey so McKinnie would slot in as their primary backup right away.

Xhaka is 30 and Partey will be 30 after this season is over so they're not spring chickens and they need reliable legs behind them. I think McKinnie would play more than people think, plus practicing with Arsenal and playing for Arteta is probably better for his development than playing in a relegation battle with Leeds.
 

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Yes and no. In theory you're probably right but Arsenal have very little depth, if any, behind Xhaka and Partey. Lokonga is terrible and has the professionalism of a petulant child and Elneny is nowhere near being close to playing again with his injuries. Viera is depth for Odegard and Smith Rowe will spell Martinelli but they really have no one they can rely on behind Xhaka and Partey so McKinnie would slot in as their primary backup right away.

Xhaka is 30 and Partey will be 30 after this season is over so they're not spring chickens and they need reliable legs behind them. I think McKinnie would play more than people think, plus practicing with Arsenal and playing for Arteta is probably better for his development than playing in a relegation battle with Leeds.

Arsenal want Caicedo. Rightly so. Might even displace a healthy Partey, imo.
 

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Yes and no. In theory you're probably right but Arsenal have very little depth, if any, behind Xhaka and Partey. Lokonga is terrible and has the professionalism of a petulant child and Elneny is nowhere near being close to playing again with his injuries. Viera is depth for Odegard and Smith Rowe will spell Martinelli but they really have no one they can rely on behind Xhaka and Partey so McKinnie would slot in as their primary backup right away.

Xhaka is 30 and Partey will be 30 after this season is over so they're not spring chickens and they need reliable legs behind them. I think McKinnie would play more than people think, plus practicing with Arsenal and playing for Arteta is probably better for his development than playing in a relegation battle with Leeds.
Zinchenko will step into Xhaka’s place if he goes down with Tierney going in at left back and McKinnie is not a Partey type so wouldn’t be a candidate to replace him if he went down IMO. And Arsenal is looking to bring in proven upper tier EPL players at this point not guys who aren’t regularly playing.

And I couldn’t disagree more with the idea of practicing and not playing much on a good team is better than playing regularly for a poor team in the same league. He’s already doing that at Juventus and it hasn’t served him great IMO. Why would he choose to make a move just to keep doing that? If he’s happy with that then stay in Turin. He needs to play pretty much every week if he is going to continue to improve his game. Leeds gives him that very much needed chance.
 

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Zinchenko will step into Xhaka’s place if he goes down with Tierney going in at left back and McKinnie is not a Partey type so wouldn’t be a candidate to replace him if he went down IMO. And Arsenal is looking to bring in proven upper tier EPL players at this point not guys who aren’t regularly playing.

And I couldn’t disagree more with the idea of practicing and not playing much on a good team is better than playing regularly for a poor team in the same league. He’s already doing that at Juventus and it hasn’t served him great IMO. Why would he choose to make a move just to keep doing that? If he’s happy with that then stay in Turin. He needs to play pretty much every week if he is going to continue to improve his game. Leeds gives him that very much needed chance.
Juve… a good team? They’re 11th in Serie A and a complete debacle on and off the field. Why do you think he wants out? And I disagree entirely with your point of view, which is fine. Getting to learn and train under a Pep clone and getting to earn minutes for a title contender, even if game minutes are slow at first, is much better than slogging away for a team bereft of any attacking options with probably the worst back line in the Premier League. Being one of the best players on his team isn’t going to help him. Playing lots of minutes for a bottom tier club outmatched in talent almost every week hasn’t helped Aaronson take the next step and it hasn’t progressed Adams at all on the ball. Aaronson has actually probably regressed at Leeds.

Arsenal were interested in him which is why I brought it up in the first place. If they can get Caicedo then yeah McKinnie doesn’t make sense but I’m not bullish on his move to Leeds.
 

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Come on you know Juve is typically the cream of the crop…..

He needs to play every game he can, and he’s not getting that with the Gooners.

Aaronson has had less than one season to acclimate (19 games), so maybe patience? Plenty of very good players have played on lesser teams in the EPL.
 

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Juve… a good team? They’re 11th in Serie A and a complete debacle on and off the field. Why do you think he wants out? And I disagree entirely with your point of view, which is fine. Getting to learn and train under a Pep clone and getting to earn minutes for a title contender, even if game minutes are slow at first, is much better than slogging away for a team bereft of any attacking options with probably the worst back line in the Premier League. Being one of the best players on his team isn’t going to help him. Playing lots of minutes for a bottom tier club outmatched in talent almost every week hasn’t helped Aaronson take the next step and it hasn’t progressed Adams at all on the ball. Aaronson has actually probably regressed at Leeds.

Arsenal were interested in him which is why I brought it up in the first place. If they can get Caicedo then yeah McKinnie doesn’t make sense but I’m not bullish on his move to Leeds.
Aaronson is trying to make the step up from the Austrian league to the EPL. That is a very sizable change in quality. I’m not sure what you were expecting but given the differences in quality of those two leagues I think he’s doing fine. He was in MLS a couple seasons ago for God’s sake.

McKinnie going from Serie A to the EPL is a MUCH different thing. And yes playing every week in better league is going to make him a better player. He needs the responsibility of leading a team, even one in a relegation scrap. And for the US, him and Adams playing every game in midfield together has to be a good thing.

Oh and yeah, who would ever want to play for Juve…?
 
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I like how the BHA manager is claiming Caicedo is totally focused on BHA while pretending he's doing what's best for the 21yr old player as if he's a child, even as Caicedo is telling them to accept the deal.
 

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Aaronson is trying to make the step up from the Austrian league to the EPL. That is a very sizable change in quality. I’m not sure what you were expecting but given the differences in quality of those two leagues I think he’s doing fine. He was in MLS a couple seasons ago for God’s sake.

McKinnie going from Serie A to the EPL is a MUCH different thing. And yes playing every week in better league is going to make him a better player. He needs the responsibility of leading a team, even one in a relegation scrap. And for the US, him and Adams playing every game in midfield together has to be a good thing.

Oh and yeah, who would ever want to play for Juve…?
McKinnie has already played big minutes on a crappy team fighting a relegation battle. Sure, he was a younger player at the point in his career but he's already been there and done that. And he's had almost the same number of appearances in 2+ seasons at Juventus as he did at Schaalke. Plus, Juventus hasn't been Juventus during his tenure there. Three managers in three years, two fourth place Serie A finishes with potentially a finish behind noted soccer giants Udinese, Torino, and Bologna this year, and they're the most dysfunctional team in any of the major five leagues off the field with their entire board resigning and the club facing criminal charges. So let's not act like he was warming the bench at Liverpool, Madrid, or City just because of the name on the front of the jersey.

It'll be fun for us fans having Leeds USA in the Premier League and of course I'll root for him and Leeds to succeed but we're not going to agree here so again I'll say I'm not thrilled with the move for him. I think it's going to be tough fighting public sentiment having three Americans playing for an American coach on a crappy team that's lucky to win one out of every fives games in the Premier League. And why does playing with Adams every game have to be good for the national team? I'd prefer he's exposed to and playing with guys with different skillsets. It's not like they need to go through a qualification process for the 2026 WC cycle.
 

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Juve is Juve…let’s not pretend it’s been bad for him.

If he wants his career to advance, he avoids Arsenal or any other top club in England until he shows he can successfully transition into the league, otherwise he’ll end up a bit part player who won’t last.
 

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Juve is Juve…let’s not pretend it’s been bad for him.

If he wants his career to advance, he avoids Arsenal or any other top club in England until he shows he can successfully transition into the league, otherwise he’ll end up a bit part player who won’t last.
Let's not pretend that the recent version of Juve is the Juve of old though. That’s like saying United is still United. United of the past few years and United of the 2000’s are two different clubs under the same name.

In other news, Wrexham drew current Championship League team and likely Premier League team next season Sheffield United 3-3. Wrexham should have won, they outplayed Sheffield and conceded the equalizer on a corner in stoppage time.
 

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Let's not pretend that the recent version of Juve is the Juve of old though.
I think you are suffering from extreme recency bias.

Sure Juve are likely to miss out on a champions league spot this year, a 15 point deduction will do that, but even with 2 down years heading into this year they still finished 4th and in the CL both years. And right before that they won 8 or 9 Serie A titles in a row.

Arsenal hasn’t played in the CL in 6 years. Last year they came in 5th but the two seasons before that they finished in 8th. If they hold on by some miracle and win the league this year it will be their first in 20 years.
 

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I think you are suffering from extreme recency bias.

Sure Juve are likely to miss out on a champions league spot this year, a 15 point deduction will do that, but even with 2 down years heading into this year they still finished 4th and in the CL both years. And right before that they won 8 or 9 Serie A titles in a row.

Arsenal hasn’t played in the CL in 6 years. Last year they came in 5th but the two seasons before that they finished in 8th. If they hold on by some miracle and win the league this year it will be their first in 20 years.
I’m not suffering from recency bias. McKinnie was at Juventus during a weird time for the club and by any measure they underperformed expectations while he was there. You’re right that Arsenal has been mediocre at best for a bit but there’s a clear plan in place in terms of talent acquisition and the way they play and I thought joining a club at their stage would be good for him.

It doesn’t matter anyway, he’s at Leeds and I hope he does well for himself and his new club.
 
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