OT: Discusión del Fútbol (EPL, FIFA, LIGA, USMNT, USWNT, MLS, etc) - Parte Cinco

[CapitalsCupReality]

so bad at defensive gapping….

 

[Raikkonen]

Considering you were bagging on the US for not scoring enough goals to be a team that can win, this seems like a weird step back to "whatever works"

that's my standard approach to any game u have to play against better opponent. upsets often are the most memorable ones.

never said I consider US odds higher now.

I don't know much about US players, just know this iteration of nl is weaker than usual

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

that's my standard approach to any game u have to play against better opponent. upsets often are the most memorable ones.

never said I consider US odds higher now.

I don't know much about US players, just know this iteration of nl is weaker than usual

That’s not close to being true. They’ve never had this kind of talent on their national team. They’re also the youngest team in the World Cup.

The difference today is the Netherlands buried the chances and the US didn’t. End of story. Who knows how this game turns out if Pulisic scores on what should have been a gimme in the opening minutes.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

so bad at defensive gapping….

It’s unfortunate because they’ve been really really good at marking in the box and closing down space leading up to today’s game. They looked a bit tired today when backtracking and defending.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Not even the last few Caps playoff eliminations have disappointed me like this one. Day ruined.

 

[hb13xchamps]

Poor result with atrocious defending in the final third, but the future is bright. They’ll have to tweak the roster around the edges and hopefully some of the young guys coming up the rank push for roster spots. Need a true target and two quality center backs since Ream won’t be on the squad in 2026. Zimmerman was okay but I find it hard to believe we don’t have better quality coming through the ranks.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Poor result with atrocious defending in the final third, but the future is bright. They’ll have to tweak the roster around the edges and hopefully some of the young guys coming up the rank push for roster spots. Need a true target and two quality center backs since Ream won’t be on the squad in 2026. Zimmerman was okay but I find it hard to believe we don’t have better quality coming through the ranks.

Chris Richards and Miles Robinson are the best of the lot and they were both hurt for this cycle, unfortunately. They’re 22 and 25 respectively so the US should be set at CB moving forward. Hopefully Robinson can bounce back from his Achilles injury, those can be tricky.

The future is really bright. The next few years leading up to the 2026 WC should be fun.

 

[hb13xchamps]

Hopefully no more Alexi Lalas by 2026. So sick of listening to his negativity

 

[ChaosLord]

Hopefully no more Alexi Lalas by 2026. So sick of listening to his negativity

Just bitter he never played for a decent US side.

 

[Raikkonen]

That’s not close to being true. They’ve never had this kind of talent on their national team. They’re also the youngest team in the World Cup.

The difference today is the Netherlands buried the chances and the US didn’t. End of story. Who knows how this game turns out if Pulisic scores on what should have been a gimme in the opening minutes.

Since when being the youngest team helps at WC?

You have to have guys who make impact in the Champions League (or previous Euro/Worlds), that's when you have a good roster. That's my opinion. Current NL is not exactly there yet. Maybe they will next time.

US? Not many CL man-games for them either

Ive watched another part of AR vs PL and can see AR getting in shape.

As Ive stated already WC is a long tournament, you dont need to be at the top in group stage.
If you dont have enough class you can get into trouble in group stage but you cant win anything there.
Thus you can throw group stage scoring stats out the window (and we have seen that today, right?)

You need to be at your best around 1/4 and 1/2, and AR is trending there I guess. That looks like AR-BR semi...

but

last time WC was in Asia I think we have seen Korea being good I believe in this Brazil (due to it having too much firepower by my standards) though and will bet on it getting in finals just like in 2002

Croatia game will be interesting. Ive seen Modric live last WC. this is a hardworking genius, one man army in his national team. I will cheer for him and his squad out of respect.

 

[Raikkonen]

AR is always there, showing glimpses... but not good enough since Maradona.

I did see this in my lifetime: Germany - Brazil - France - Brazil - Italy - Spain - Germany - France.

I dont consider any of this as a fluke. So I dont expect one this time.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Since when being the youngest team helps at WC?

You have to have guys who make impact in the Champions League (or previous Euro/Worlds), that's when you have a good roster. That's my opinion. Current NL is not exactly there yet. Maybe they will next time.

US? Not many CL man-games for them either

Ive watched another part of AR vs PL and can see AR getting in shape.

As Ive stated already WC is a long tournament, you dont need to be at the top in group stage.
If you dont have enough class you can get into trouble in group stage but you cant win anything there.
Thus you can throw group stage scoring stats out the window (and we have seen that today, right?)

You need to be at your best around 1/4 and 1/2, and AR is trending there I guess. That looks like AR-BR semi...

but

last time WC was in Asia I think we have seen Korea being good I believe in this Brazil (due to it having too much firepower by my standards) though and will bet on it getting in finals just like in 2002

Croatia game will be interesting. Ive seen Modric live last WC. this is a hardworking genius, one man army in his national team. I will cheer for him and his squad out of respect.

It means that they have a young and talented team that’s not fully developed. They’re not Belgium or Argentina or Uruguay who are their last run with their current generation. This was the start of something and not the end. I’m obviously not saying they’re going to mimic Germany’s success or that they’re anywhere near the level of the Germans but in 2010 Germany lost in the knockout rounds with the youngest team in the World Cup but that set the foundation for their 2014 WC win. This team got really good experience which should only help them moving forward.

Agree that they need more exposure in big leagues but that’s what they’re getting. They’ve never had this many national team members playing in the Big 5 leagues. You’ve always had one-offs like Timmy Howard or Donovan or Clint but every guy who started vs Iran was playing overseas with many of them starting for Champions or Europa League teams. And you have to believe that a bunch of these guys are primed to move onto bigger clubs. Tyler Adams is going to quickly outgrow Leeds. Yunus Musah is going go bigger after Valencia. Gio Reyna will move up from Dortmund.

In 2010 they were completely overmatched by Belgium. Today they went head to head with the Netherlands who were just clearly better at finishing. That’s the difference between having players who have been there and done that in big moments and having young talented players still finding their way.

 

[Raikkonen]

You need numbers in Europe to have a crop in the national team. Something like KHL to NHL movement in Russia. Every potentially good player gets to NA. We are weak on C now and it shows, previously we were weak at D, and so on. KHL only gets you so far.

I dont think thats probable by economic reasons too.

Will see. There is a big gap between getting your team better and really contending in WC. Humongous big.

But for the foreign fan the better the competition at WC the more fun to watch surely. I guess this time group stage was entertaining. And the rest could be too, if they arent too defensive.

Football being too pragmatic is hard to watch. And you need tons of skills to overcome pragmatic play.

 

[Ajax1995]

Watched ion a bar and just getting home.

Didn’t understand the Ferreira choice. Not sure what he was supposed to provide overall as I literally didn’t seem him do anything.

The first goal I’m not saying he should have been the guy closing down Depay but he absolutely could have been. That was slow enough developing that he should have realized he was the only guy possible and gotten on his horse and tried. With his pace I think there is a reasonable chance he gets there or at least puts pressure on him so he knows there is a chance.

The second goal is 100% on Dest. He’s marking nobody, can see Blind, and because the Dutch are playing with wingbacks knows there is nobody wider behind him. That is simply a mistake you cannot make and especially going into halftime.

The third goal I don’t understand how Robinson gets drawn inside and nobody, should be Pulisic, isn’t there to cover. A 4-3-3 playing against wingbacks has a numerical advantage outside. You should use it to 2v1 the wingback going forward and you have 2 guys to mark the wingback defensively. So that shouldn’t happen.

The fact that their wingbacks scored 2 goals shows a reasonable amount of lack of tactical awareness and concentration on our side IMO.

All this being said we got out of the group and played ok against a better team. This showed what we need to improve on to beat a 2nd tier power in general so hopefully we can build on this experience.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Woof.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

GB has taken this team as far as he can.

 

[Ridley Simon]

GB has taken this team as far as he can.

I have no clue who is available that would be a good coach. I do know that being from the US is irrelevant.

I’d wager GB is done. He should be, IMO. Any ideas on a replacement?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I have no clue who is available that would be a good coach. I do know that being from the US is irrelevant.

I’d wager GB is done. He should be, IMO. Any ideas on a replacement?

I would go for a European….Tuchel is available lol….

 

[ovikovy817]

No surprises today.
And I will say even more that Brazil is going to the Final in this part of the bracket.

Should be.
Brazil vs France 60 / Spain 40

 

[Raikkonen]

Watched AR-AU highlights. Didnt look like AU is weaker than US, sorry.

 

[Ajax1995]

Watched AR-AU highlights. Didnt look like AU is weaker than US, sorry.

If you say so but the Aussies starting lineup was a guy who plays in Denmark, 2 A leaguers, an MLS guy, 2 guys who play in the 2nd division in England, a guy who plays in the 2nd division in Germany, and 4 guys who play in Scotland, only one for Celtic or Rangers. So not a single big 5 European league player and only one guy at a big club somewhere else.

Every guy in the US starting lineup outside of the 2 MLS guys plays in one of the big 5 European leagues. So from a talent standpoint the US has a reasonable edge on Australia.

 

[Ajax1995]

Poland played a great first half. They had their chances. Unfortunate to give up that goal but if they keep playing like they did in the first they have a shot to get it back. Mbappe on the counter is probably the most likely though unfortunately for them. Very entertaining first half though.

 

[g00n]

2 team parlay of Poland and Senegal pays out silly odds.

Go, those teams

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Mbappe is just ridiculous.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Closers matter….we‘re just not anywhere near good enough at finishing…..(to do anything meaningful beyond the group stages).

England rolling now…