TSN: Dion almost signed? Mod warning post #277

[DD03]

Would hope that in 5 - 7 years he is still playing at the same level (at least) and doesn't become an unmovable asset along the lines of Liles.

Really doubt that Dion declines at the age of 33-35. People seem to forget Dion is only 28 years old. Most defensemen peak at around the age of 30, especially defensively.

 

[Phelan]

I did. Gunnar made a series of bad decisions.

Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn't mean it's invalid.

That's true. My last post was dumb.

 

[The Blue Devil]

Dion is watched 82 games a year by the most hot button, unrealistic fanbase per year.All #1 Dmen make mistakes.

If you dont see other D's mistakes, you dont want enough of their games. Hell, OEL made some mistakes last night too.

Dion is a bonafide #1 Dman. He is not offensively driven, so our #2 guy needs to be. This is often a role reversal from typical 1-2s and probably the reason why a lot of people dont understand it.

He is worth 6.5-7.5 and I will be happy when he re-signs somewhere in that amount.

Yeah, I find it convenient that they "missed" Keith get walked multiple times for GA in the Hawks game.

 

[wulfio*]

Really doubt that Dion declines at the age of 33-35. People seem to forget Dion is only 28 years old. Most defensemen peak at around the age of 30, especially defensively.

I'd have to agree, with Dions style of play, and the amount of effort he puts in, he should have a super long career. He's got half the mileage as other 28 year olds in the league.

 

[DD03]

I'd have to agree, with Dions style of play, and the amount of effort he puts in, he should have a super long career. He's got half the mileage as other 28 year olds in the league.

I like to compare him to Pronger in terms of style of play. (Maybe not as effective, Pronger is on his own level). And the only thing that really derailed Pronger were some serious, unfortunate injuries.

 

[yubbers]

Nobody is saying he's a Norris trophy candidate.

That's exactly what his contract looks like. Which is why some of us don't like it

He's not a Chara, Doughty or Karlsson.

 

[Gary Nylund]

But he has been great. I don't understand what people expect from him.

Nobody is saying he's a Norris trophy candidate. He's a solid #1 defenseman with little support.

I think he's carried most of our defenseman through some ****** inconsistent play. Some people here think he cannot do mistakes defensively or offensively, which is bullsh**.

I don't know what fans expect out of him. They think he should be a flawless defenseman that can put up 20 goals to justify an extension of his contract.

Mind boggling stuff from a lot of people.

I've seen a lot of crappy defensive plays from supposed top franchise defenseman this year. I guess I can only suggest to watch other teams to realize that it happens to the best of them.

I'll say it. Based on his play so far this season when discussing who the Norris trophy candidates should be - he should be in the conversation for sure!

That's exactly what his contract looks like. Which is why some of us don't like it

He's not a Chara, Doughty or Karlsson.

Lucky break for us. I'd take Phaneuf over Karlsson any day.

 

[Parkdale]

I'd have to agree, with Dions style of play, and the amount of effort he puts in, he should have a super long career. He's got half the mileage as other 28 year olds in the league.

Phaneuf appears to get tired pretty quickly even without seemingly exerting all-out effort. Not only shift to shift but cumulatively in a game. That is why he hits a wall around 20 minutes I guess. I also noticed that he is pinching less and therefore being caught out of position less than in previous years which exposed his lack of speed. This adjustment had contributed to his improved defensive play earlier this year. However he seems to be regressing in the last dozen games or so. He may still be our most reliable D, but the margin is less so. The guy that excites me most right now is Rielly....

 

[SprDaVE]

That's exactly what his contract looks like. Which is why some of us don't like it

He's not a Chara, Doughty or Karlsson.

Chara was signed years ago pre-lockout, but with that said, he's a bargain being under 7M for now. He's 36 years old though and declining. They had to sign him until the 2018 season in order to keep it a hair under 7M. He will be over 40 by then.

Karlsson and Doughty both signed as RFA's.

Bad examples.

 

[deleteme24]

I don't mind Phaneuf.

I just want another Captain :S

 

[jmart21]

Chara was signed years ago pre-lockout, but with that said, he's a bargain being under 7M.

Karlsson and Doughty both signed as RFA's.

Bad examples.

Agreed.

The thing is, there really isn't any such thing as a "good example" when it comes to pending UFAs. Contracts change year-to-year, scenario-to-scenario, CBA-to-CBA.

There are so many outside factors aside from "how good is he?" that reflect a player's price. Like it or not, thats the reality.

 

[diceman934]

Gunnar wasn't "already there". He was out of postion, tango'ing with the wrong guy in the corner.

Dion has 2 options: follow or go to the front. In hindsight he probably should have gone to the front. But hindsight is 20/20. Lets say Dion goes to the front and Hanzal doesn't wrap around. Completely different scenario.

Why haven't you brought up the desicions of others? Gunnar's desicion to take himself out of the play? Reimer's decision to not poke check?

Dion error was the one that caused the goal.....that is why I stated it as such, he was chasing from behind ( sucking exhaust) when there was already a leaf back there. It is a simple read that most D man would make and not do what Dion did.

Poke checking on a wrap around is not a good idea as it opens up the 5 hole.....

 

[wulfio*]

I like to compare him to Pronger in terms of style of play. (Maybe not as effective, Pronger is on his own level). And the only thing that really derailed Pronger were some serious, unfortunate injuries.

I can't say I see a comparison with Pronger at all. Pronger was a smooth skater, he was slick with the puck, and he was mean as hell. The only guy that slightly resembles Pronger in the league is Seth Jones, but he's not mean. The only thing Phaneuf has, is that he's mean... but unfortunately it's only to the media.

 

[DD03]

Phaneuf appears to get tired pretty quickly even without seemingly exerting all-out effort. Not only shift to shift but cumulatively in a game. That is why he hits a wall around 20 minutes I guess. I also noticed that he is pinching less and therefore being caught out of position less than in previous years which exposed his lack of speed. This adjustment had contributed to his improved defensive play earlier this year. However he seems to be regressing in the last dozen games or so. He may still be our most reliable D, but the margin is less so. The guy that excites me most right now is Rielly....

I was the first to say Dion would benefit from a summer with Roberts'.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Agreed.

The thing is, there really isn't any such thing as a "good example" when it comes to pending UFAs. Contracts change year-to-year, scenario-to-scenario, CBA-to-CBA.

There are so many outside factors aside from "how good is he?" that reflect a player's price. Like it or not, thats the reality.

Excellent post! Why is this so hard for so many to understand?

 

[jmart21]

Excellent post! Why is this so hard for so many to understand?

I don't think its hard for anyone to understand. I think it's just one of the crutches the "haters" like to rely on.

It sounds cheesy, but cap management really is about "making the pieces fit". You're not going to get every single player signed for "market value" (whatever that means). You're going to have to pay more than some would like for certain players, but you're going to have a few guys making less as well.

 

[dubey]

I don't mind Phaneuf.

I just want another Captain :S

One that uses smilie faces in his text messages am i rite

 

[Jack Bauer]

I don't think its hard for anyone to understand. I think it's just one of the crutches the "haters" like to rely on.

It sounds cheesy, but cap management really is about "making the pieces fit". You're not going to get every single player signed for "market value" (whatever that means). You're going to have to pay more than some would like for certain players, but you're going to have a few guys making less as well.

And part of signing long term is determining tomorrows market value.

You can't blanket terms like overpaid $7mil dman when 1 is under a $49mil cap and 1 is under a $80mil cap.

Signing Phaneuf today is trying to determine his value tomorrow and if you view him as a 2nd pairing guy and team captain at the end of that deal then him eating up $7mil of a $90mil cap is more then fair....especially when the rookies coming in will still be making the same amount as the rookies now....I think that's the next CBA war(ELC's and league minimums)

 

[wulfio*]

One that uses smilie faces in his text messages am i rite

You know how every team has that one guy nobody likes because he's such a ******. What if our captain is that guy? It seems like he would be.

 

[yubbers]

I'll say it. Based on his play so far this season when discussing who the Norris trophy candidates should be - he should be in the conversation for sure!




Lucky break for us. I'd take Phaneuf over Karlsson any day.

*head explodes*

 

[DD03]

You know how every team has that one guy nobody likes because he's such a ******. What if our captain is that guy? It seems like he would be.

But he's not.. If he can get along with Phil Kessel, then I think everyone on the team doesn't mind him.

 

[yubbers]

You know how every team has that one guy nobody likes because he's such a ******. What if our captain is that guy? It seems like he would be.

Going back to constantly being ranked the most overrated player by his peers is concerning. Don't know what the hate is about but it's there. And that's cause for concern

 

[jmart21]

You know how every team has that one guy nobody likes because he's such a ******. What if our captain is that guy? It seems like he would be.

Are we playing the what-if game! I love this game.

What if he's not? It seems like he wouldn't be.

Does I win game?

 

[diceman934]

I'll say it. Based on his play so far this season when discussing who the Norris trophy candidates should be - he should be in the conversation for sure!




Lucky break for us. I'd take Phaneuf over Karlsson any day.

He is not a strong Norris candidate at all.....he is a long shot at best to be a 8th d man on team Canada..

 

[DD03]

Going back to constantly being ranked the most overrated player by his peers is concerning. Don't know what the hate is about but it's there. And that's cause for concern

Constantly? It was 1 ****ing poll! 1 ****ing poll. And it was done by like 25 NHLers..