TSN: Dion almost signed? Mod warning post #277

[BBB24]

Its a stat, and its proven that Phaneuf plays the toughest minutes in the NHL. And its not close either

Well forgive me for having a problem believeing that as Suter regularly plays more than 30 minutes a night which would mean he is only playing against opp 3-4 lines, cannot see that. Agreed Phaneuf plays tough mins, no doubt about it, due to the fact he is the only 1-2 dman on the leafs, remainder are more like 4-6 dmen. I watch every Bruin game and Chara is on every PP, PK and usually the last 90 seconds of every close game, cannot see him not being compared to tough minutes unless they count the quality of team the player is on. Again I believe Dion is a top flight dman, just cannot wrap my head around that stat.

 

[Tonka]

STL-Pietrangelo,Boumeester
CHI-Seabrook,Keith
PHX-OEL,Yandle
SJ-Boyle,Vlasic
LA-Doughty,Voynov
MTL-Subban,Markov
BOS-Chara,Sedenberg
PIT-Letang
VAN-Elder,Bieksa
WSH-Green,Carlson
TB-Hedman,Carle
id take all these Dman over Phanuef

Green (lol), Carlson, Hedman(!!??!!), Carle (???), Edler (have you actually watched him play this year??), Bieksa (ha), Voynov...give me a freakin' break. And Seidenberg looks fine and dandy with Chara...he is NOT better than Phaneuf in about 99.9% of pro scout's opinions.

 

[Gary Nylund]

TBH I'm not much of a stat guy and I don't know if this gets factored into it or not but the Leafs are just a horrible team overall defensively. It's not just that the defencemen are weak, it's that the whole team overall is a disaster and plays mostly in their own end night after night because they're constantly turning the puck over in our own end (Ok everywhere else as well). Gunnarson is also not great, not hopeless or anything but Dion is kind of on his own out there a lot of the time and the fact that the team gets scored on so little when he's out there is nothing short of incredible.

Of course Chara gets tough minutes as well as do most of the other top guys but man, you don't know just how tough minutes can be until you've done time as the Leafs #1 guy. A little surprised even that Dion even wants to stay here, pretty thankless job if you ask me.

 

[yubbers]

Thankless job huh?

Jebus. Poor, poor millionaires that play hockey for a living

 

[The CyNick]

I'd be a lot more comfortable with 7 million if it were only for 4-5 years.

I would like a billion dollars

 

[Kessley Snipes*]

Well forgive me for having a problem believeing that as Suter regularly plays more than 30 minutes a night which would mean he is only playing against opp 3-4 lines, cannot see that. Agreed Phaneuf plays tough mins, no doubt about it, due to the fact he is the only 1-2 dman on the leafs, remainder are more like 4-6 dmen. I watch every Bruin game and Chara is on every PP, PK and usually the last 90 seconds of every close game, cannot see him not being compared to tough minutes unless they count the quality of team the player is on. Again I believe Dion is a top flight dman, just cannot wrap my head around that stat.

This season Phaneuf's Corsi Rel QoC number is 2.026: the highest among all defenseman in the NHL. Meaning he plays the toughest minutes of every defensman in the league. Ahead of Chara and Suter.

 

[Jack Bauer]

A little surprised even that Dion even wants to stay here, pretty thankless job if you ask me.

Agreed 100%.

I'd be counting the days till July 1 to get far away from this fish bowl if I was Dion.

Not 1 ounce of respect from the majority of this fanbase after leading the team back to the playoffs almost a decade of no playoff hockey.

 

[yubbers]

Agreed 100%.

I'd be counting the days till July 1 to get far away from this fish bowl if I was Dion.

Not 1 ounce of respect from the majority of this fanbase after leading the team back to the playoffs almost a decade of no playoff hockey.

Creeping into the playoffs in a shortened season while "leading" one of the worst collapses a team has ever seen in a game 7 does not warrant my respect. he does not make other players around him better. It's obvious he can't lead, motivate or inspire the team. He's not awful but he's not a 7 mill franchise player

 

[rdawg1234]

Creeping into the playoffs in a shortened season while "leading" one of the worst collapses a team has ever seen in a game 7 does not warrant my respect. he does not make other players around him better. It's obvious he can't lead, motivate or inspire the team. He's not awful but he's not a 7 mill franchise player

This is a team game, there were a tonne of reasons they lost game 7, Phaneuf wasnt a huge one.

Chara and the bruins collapsed in 2009-2010 playoffs after being up 3-0, im sure chara must suck then right?

The rest of what your saying is just bias against Phaneuf, we have no idea what goes on in the locker room.

 

[ACC1224]

All Captains are terrible leaders until they win a cup.

 

[BayStreetBullies*]

Creeping into the playoffs in a shortened season while "leading" one of the worst collapses a team has ever seen in a game 7 does not warrant my respect. he does not make other players around him better. It's obvious he can't lead, motivate or inspire the team. He's not awful but he's not a 7 mill franchise player

Finishing 5th in the East is "creeping in"? I won't even bother addressing the rest of your crappy post.

 

[yubbers]

I'm not dumping that loss on Phaneuf. But you expect me to thank him for it?

If you think this team is inspired by their leader, you're blind. A true franchise 7-8 million dollar player has the ability to put the team on his back when needed. Phaneuf has never accomplished this at any time during his tenure as a leaf.

 

[rdawg1234]

There are VERY few D-men I would take over Phaneuf right now:

Weber, Suter, Pietrangelo(hes younger), Chara(but he's getting too old), Keith, MAYBE Doughty.

Honestly He's a lower top 10 d-man in the league, and stats definitely support that. Frankly I think he's gotten even better(not quite norris level as his offense has dropped off, but definitely better.)

 

[yubbers]

Finishing 5th in the East is "creeping in"? I won't even bother addressing the rest of your crappy post.

When 8th is 2 points behind you......yes

 

[ACC1224]

I'm not dumping that loss on Phaneuf. But you expect me to thank him for it?

If you think this team is inspired by their leader, you're blind. A true franchise 7-8 million dollar player has the ability to put the team on his back when needed. Phaneuf has never accomplished this at any time during his tenure as a leaf.

You saying he hasn't doesn't mean he hasn't.
Without Phaneuf's back they never get to game 7.

 

[yubbers]

So we get the same results and save 7 million over 7 is what you're saying. You're getting it now

 

[Gallagbi]

When 8th is 2 points behind you......yes

The 8th seed doesn't knock you out of the playoffs, the 9th does.

 

[tamle]

If Dion goes to free agency the Oilers would pay 8 mil+ for 7 years. Thought Dion would want 8 years deal in Toronto, glad we can sign him to 7x7. Great deal in my opinion, and it shows he wants to be here in T.O.

 

[tml19]

It's hard to predict how much Dion could regress. Obviously, at 37 years of age he won't be worth 7 mil, but that is what it is going to take to keep him here

He is 28 right now so he will be 35 when the deal expires.

 

[wulfio*]

so after reading this thread, the only argument the Phaneuf apologists have is "nuh uh".

Since he's currently the best of a young/inexperienced, or just plain bad bunch, we should overpay him.

Recipe for a winner if I ever saw one!

 

[Pyromaniac3]

so after reading this thread, the only argument the Phaneuf apologists have is "nuh uh".

Since he's currently the best of a young/inexperienced, or just plain bad bunch, we should overpay him.

Recipe for a winner if I ever saw one!

I just told you he only has 9 goals against at ES. Also compared him to so called Norris contenders. Why don't you argue against that?

 

[New Liskeard]

Might be the best news I have heard all day, and if true, well below his market value and a discount from Phaneuf. Its threads like these that show the true colours of supposed Leaf fans that ply their trade here on this board. There are still a few yet to show up in the thread yet, but it wont be long. Its a huge coup for any team to sign a top 15 d man in the entire NHL, and to have him signed below market value is even better.

 

[wulfio*]

I just told you he only has 9 goals against at ES. Also compared him to so called Norris contenders. Why don't you argue against that?

so you're telling me that gunnarson deserves 7 mill and phaneuf deserves 4.

 

[Pi]

I see, so we have now pinned the collapse on Phaneuf.

Boston should trade Chara. No way will the Bruins ever win a Cup with him as a captain, especially after that collapse against the Flyers.

 

[Pi]

so you're telling me that gunnarson deserves 7 mill and phaneuf deserves 4.

Leafs have given up 55 ES goals. Ranking 12th in the league.

Out of those 55, Phaneuf has only been on the ice for 9 despite playing ~24 minutes.

9 out of 55 while playing 24 minutes is about as impressive as it gets defensively.

We need more offense from him but Phaneuf is in no way shape or form to blame for the Leafs current play.

He's shut down nearly all of the leagues top players he's played against.