Prospect Info: Devils Win #2 Overall -- Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec

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There is no 5'10 player or any other height player in the 2022 class with a better combination of Slafkovsky's playmaking/puckhandling. Not "for his size"... Slafkovsky is flat out elite in these abilities.

huh? I didn't say otherwise. I think you got this the wrong way.

 

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I think he’s used his body a decent bit but yes the majority of it has been from his skill.

Yea it's a fine line when arguing things like this but most complete players will use a bit of everything. That being said typically every player has a defining factor as to where their "impact" comes from. So far from everything I've seen, Slaf's impact has been through his playmaking and vision, not his size. That may change when he comes to NA, who knows.

 

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FWIW, every single one of my die hard Habs fan buddies is convinced they're going Wright.

Ofc they are...he's the consensus #1 guy.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

What is your reasoning for picking Slavofsky over Wright besides size?

For me, it's that Slaf has shown way more dynamic abilities, whether it's puckhandling, passing, vision. About the only thing Wright has on him is his shot but to me Wright lacks that dynamic "pop" so to speak, and typically (but not always) those players don't really end up as superstars.

Or even Hughes?

Is this for real? Wright is completely inferior to Hughes as a prospect, it's really not even close. Take away Jack's rookie season in the NHL and no one would even be thinking about this. He can end up being better than Nico though, I'll give you that.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

What are these five comparisons? Well other than completely useless. A couple of guys who played in the WHL a long time ago (that includes the Svejkovsky). An undrafted 5’9”/175 C/RW from the USDP program, because sure, why not.

Booth, with his late birthday, had two years of college when he was drafted in the 2nd Rd as an overager in 2004.


His model didn’t like Ratanen, and will point out again that Slafkovsky’s D-0 year is the equivalent of Ratanen’s D1 year.

He’s not Ratanen, he’s a different player. But his model didn’t like Blake Wheeler, Mark Scheifele, etc either. Not everyone develops the same way.

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It’s an interesting tool but the moment he acts like the model is something that a club can’t go against if it’s somewhat unenthusiastic about an individual player they scouted a ton… c’mon now.

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So what I got from this is Cale Makar also had almost 0 possibility of becoming a star based on his draft season. Therefore Slaf will be a star in the NHL

And honestly, it's looking like the same will happen with Raymond...there's a pattern here.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Yea it's a fine line when arguing things like this but most complete players will use a bit of everything. That being said typically every player has a defining factor as to where their "impact" comes from. So far from everything I've seen, Slaf's impact has been through his playmaking and vision, not his size. That may change when he comes to NA, who knows.

But he has used his size quite bit. He’s created some chances off the forecheck using his body and reach, has done well along the boards and down low and extended offensive shifts and creates chances by doing so. That’s how you use your size. He’s nor gonna body a bunch of people and bring it to the net. You can’t actually just create offense with your size. You still need skill and smarts. That’s why guys that are just big don’t create offense. It’s the combination and he has used both.

 

[Buggsy]

For me, it's that Slaf has shown way more dynamic abilities, whether it's puckhandling, passing, vision. About the only thing Wright has on him is his shot but to me Wright lacks that dynamic "pop" so to speak, and typically (but not always) those players don't really end up as superstars.



Is this for real? Wright is completely inferior to Hughes as a prospect, it's really not even close. Take away Jack's rookie season in the NHL and no one would even be thinking about this. He can end up being better than Nico though, I'll give you that.

In Wright's 15 year old season in the OHL he had a better ppg and gpg comparative to McDavids.

I am sure there is context I'm missing with that stat but the point is Wright had all world talent/expectation prior to two messed up Covid years.

I find it odd how you can believe there is no way Wright can surpass both of the Devil's centers.

Also, the original argument was in response to the random supposition that the Devils shouldn't draft Wright if given the chance because they have two good centers. Take the talent and figure it out later when it comes to someone like Wright

 

[Guadana]

Please don't bother anyone with Byron Bader graphics. The guy is far and away the dumbest guy in hockey media. Go look at his 2021 draft rankings. If he doesn't like a prospect, it usually means that prospect is a guy you should draft.

How did he ranked Raymond in draft year? And Sanderson.

 

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You can’t actually just create offense with your size.

That's not really true. Players use their size to establish puck protection and extended forechecking all the time. And for some players, that's either all they can do, or it's a large majority of their game, and what's what I'd consider true power forwards.

How did he ranked Raymond in draft year? And Sanderson.

Wouldn't be surprised if he had Raymond unranked. He wasn't great from a perspective of someone who just stat watches.

 

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In Wright's 15 year old season in the OHL he had a better ppg and gpg comparative to McDavids.

Sure, let's take just a small part of his history to support an argument. How has he progressed since then?

 

[Buggsy]

Sure, let's take just a small part of his history to support an argument. How has he progressed since then?

Well he has two season in the OHL so I am not sure how that is a small part. It's half.

After a year of not playing and a slow start, he put up an equal ppg to Hischier when he was drafted 1st.

I tried to find the season split for point totals for Wright but came up short. My memory is that it was quite a shirt in ppg after the first 15 games.

 

[Guadana]

That's not really true. Players use their size to establish puck protection and extended forechecking all the time. And for some players, that's either all they can do, or it's a large majority of their game, and what's what I'd consider true power forwards.



Wouldn't be surprised if he had Raymond unranked. He wasn't great from a perspective of someone who just stat watches.

Never Can't understand this guy. That was really stupid. Different leagues, different roles, different ice time, different partners and clubs, different trajectory of growing and maturing, different sizes and skills and combos of skills. How can this guy be so sure in himself. Will never understand it.

 

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Well he has two season in the OHL so I am not sure how that is a small part. It's half.

After a year of not playing and a slow start, he put up an equal ppg to Hischier when he was drafted 1st.

I tried to find the season split for point totals for Wright but came up short. My memory is that it was quite a shirt in ppg after the first 15 games.

Yea so it was good but not amazing, which is exactly my point. There's a reason these guys go 1st overall, but not all of them end up as the best players in the draft (and in some cases not even close).

I don't think Wright will bust. Just will end up being a solid player that falls short of a typical expectation of a #1 overall pick.

 

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I was expecting more from Slaf in that major - especially the 5-3. I don't think he ever shot.

I know he's young. I know it was the end of the game.

But, still...

Maybe it's just me, though. And I'm def not a good prospect evaluator.

 

[Billdo]

Yea so it was good but not amazing, which is exactly my point. There's a reason these guys go 1st overall, but not all of them end up as the best players in the draft (and in some cases not even close).

I don't think Wright will bust. Just will end up being a solid player that falls short of a typical expectation of a #1 overall pick.

So... Nico.

 

[Devs3cups]

I was expecting more from Slaf in that major - especially the 5-3. I don't think he ever shot.

I know he's young. I know it was the end of the game.

But, still...

Maybe it's just me, though. And I'm def not a good prospect evaluator.

Even the best players don't get shots sometimes in those situations. He had a good game as a whole I thought. Whole body of work is more important and telling than isolated events.

 

[Rusty7550]

I was expecting more from Slaf in that major - especially the 5-3. I don't think he ever shot.

I know he's young. I know it was the end of the game.

But, still...

Maybe it's just me, though. And I'm def not a good prospect evaluator.

Pardavy (guy responsible for Slovak pp) is a moron. Slaf in front of the net? He should be on right circle or blue line, using his shot and passes.

 

[Brodeur]

How did he ranked Raymond in draft year? And Sanderson.

He had Raymond #6 and Sanderson #14. Zion Nybeck and Alexander Pashin notably #12 and #13.

I was expecting more from Slaf in that major - especially the 5-3. I don't think he ever shot.

I know he's young. I know it was the end of the game.

But, still...

Maybe it's just me, though. And I'm def not a good prospect evaluator.

Slovak PP seemed a little ugly with Fehevary as the main QB; Later Nemec was added which at least gave them one righty shot. They seemed to use Slaf more as a net front / puck retrieval guy and let Fehevary/Tatar handle the puck (to unsexy results).

 

[kudla]

I was expecting more from Slaf in that major - especially the 5-3. I don't think he ever shot.

I know he's young. I know it was the end of the game.

But, still...

Maybe it's just me, though. And I'm def not a good prospect evaluator.

He just purposely wasn't used at these PPs at all - notice he was behind the net or smth insted of being the shooter.. which was Tatar who missed 3-4 great chances.

 

[Guadana]

He had Raymond #6 and Sanderson #14. Zion Nybeck and Alexander Pashin notably #12 and #13.



Slovak PP seemed a little ugly with Fehevary as the main QB; Later Nemec was added which at least gave them one righty shot. They seemed to use Slaf more as a net front / puck retrieval guy and let Fehevary/Tatar handle the puck (to unsexy results).

Nybeck? He is kleine kinder with not so well skating. What did he think about it? That he will grow and start to skate like Makar?
he is ridiculously bad.

Even Raymond as #6 is way to much for me.

 

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So... Nico.

Pretty much. Not stylistically but just level of player.

I was expecting more from Slaf in that major - especially the 5-3. I don't think he ever shot.

I know he's young. I know it was the end of the game.

But, still...

Maybe it's just me, though. And I'm def not a good prospect evaluator.

Their whole pp system was garbage.

 

[Guttersniped]

I don't mind the model at all, I think it leads to important questions such as "if you think this guy will be this good, why isn't he performing similarly to other guys who were that good?" There could be plenty of good answers to that question, but sometimes there aren't.

I find NHLe models useful, particularly for more obscure guys, but they aren’t rock solid predictions of the future. Slafkovsky played on both the U20 junior team and Liiga team for TPS and at least four different versions of a National team this year.

Unless someone break down his games and tracks stats that way or has more advanced stats for Liiga, I don’t care.

He’s not even my must pick, but anyone who thinks defensemen are in any way safer picks are nuts. Despite a few notable recent successes, they aren’t.

Wright kind of spooks me because he doesn’t seem to have much of a motor, though I didn’t spend much time looking at him. Or Cooley for that matter.

 

[StevenToddIves]

How did he ranked Raymond in draft year? And Sanderson.

Bader disliked Sanderson and went out of his way to let the world know it. He had Raymond ranked #6. He had Sanderson #13, one slot behind... Zion Nybeck, who maybe has an outside chance of playing pro hockey in North America.

Other highlights from 2020:
10 Stutzle
13 Pashin
15 Grans
18 Lundell
20 Quinn
22 Foerster
23 Coangelo
25 Johanneson
27 Ovchinnikov
30 Finley
32 Poirier
Unranked: Holloway
Unranked: Guhle
Unranked: Reichel
Unranked: Schneider
Unranked: Neighbors
Unranked: Grieg

The guy is an embarrassment.

 

[Eggtimer]

Pardavy (guy responsible for Slovak pp) is a moron. Slaf in front of the net? He should be on right circle or blue line, using his shot and passes.

Yes Slovak fans are pissed about how terrible he runs a PP.
I would ALMOST go as far as to say that it looks worse than a Recchi ran PP. !Anne they both went to the some Comminity College of Hockey to get their Hockey 101 diplomas ? Ran by J Mac

Bader disliked Sanderson and went out of his way to let the world know it. He had Raymond ranked #6. He had Sanderson #13, one slot behind... Zion Nybeck, who maybe has an outside chance of playing pro hockey in North America.

Other highlights from 2020:
10 Stutzle
13 Pashin
15 Grans
18 Lundell
20 Quinn
22 Foerster
23 Coangelo
25 Johanneson
27 Ovchinnikov
30 Finley
32 Poirier
Unranked: Holloway
Unranked: Guhle
Unranked: Reichel
Unranked: Schneider
Unranked: Neighbors
Unranked: Grieg

The guy is an embarrassment.

I dont really mean to bad talk him but he is an idiot that deserves to be shot with a ball of his own shit.

 

[Guadana]

Bader disliked Sanderson and went out of his way to let the world know it. He had Raymond ranked #6. He had Sanderson #13, one slot behind... Zion Nybeck, who maybe has an outside chance of playing pro hockey in North America.

Other highlights from 2020:
10 Stutzle
13 Pashin
15 Grans
18 Lundell
20 Quinn
22 Foerster
23 Coangelo
25 Johanneson
27 Ovchinnikov
30 Finley
32 Poirier
Unranked: Holloway
Unranked: Guhle
Unranked: Reichel
Unranked: Schneider
Unranked: Neighbors
Unranked: Grieg

The guy is an embarrassment.

Omg. Omfg. Why he have subscribers and listeners still?