Prospect Info: Devils Win #2 Overall -- Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec

What should we do with #2?

  • Slafkovsky

    Votes: 220 61.5%
  • Jiricek

    Votes: 56 15.6%
  • Nemec

    Votes: 30 8.4%
  • Trade it

    Votes: 39 10.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 3.6%

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While this draft may lack a “generational talent”, I actually think there will be many useful players found throughout the first 3 rounds (and beyond). I also feel 1-5 is only slightly better than 6-12. Lastly, It will also be interesting to see how the Russian prospects are treated.
I don't think any player in the past 7 years aside from McDavid was a "generational talent".

Maybe Jack morphs into one? I don't know.

But back to the point, I think Slaf, for example, has that capability to become a border-line generational talent but that of course depends on how he develops and I want to see that development in a Devils Jersey.

The rest of the draft? All about finding diamonds in the pile of Coal (ie. Bratt, etc.)
 
I don't think any player in the past 7 years aside from McDavid was a "generational talent".

Maybe Jack morphs into one? I don't know.

But back to the point, I think Slaf, for example, has that capability to become a border-line generational talent but that of course depends on how he develops and I want to see that development in a Devils Jersey.

The rest of the draft? All about finding diamonds in the pile of Coal (ie. Bratt, etc.)

Makar is the closest one as of right now. Dude's a stud.
 
How are you driving play if you're putting up 67 points in a full season as a 2OA LW? Are we expecting Jack and Sharangovich or Nico and Bratt to have ~100 each with Luke chipping in 80?

Perhaps we have different definitions.

I expect no less than 75-80 by 23 at the absolute least given his draft position and the centers he's being gifted. Our best scouting sleuths around here find his closest comparable to be Rantanen. That guy's been crushing it since about the same year Mackinnon started to. When he was 20. Well, we have our Mackinnon and he's better at a younger age homie.

Shit, 67 should be the goal by D+2 if he's really worth this high of a pick. If Fitz doesn't wholeheartedly agree with me then dman or telephone it is.

There will always be dumb people who don't know what to even bitch about but for me, the issue with Zacha isn't really his production. It's that he's literally one of the worst 5v5 players in the NHL and contributes nothing (absolutely nothing) outside of scoring on pp. He sucks defensively, he doesn't really battle hard, never uses his size (no one would even think twice if you told them he was 5'5). But yes, his production does suck too, that's not false.

If we can get a 50-60 pt winger who can battle on the boards, drives to the net consistently, uses their size effectively, and isn't a liability 5v5, that's a win for me. Doesn't need to be some 100 pt winger.
 
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Let's go over potential trade situations for shits, giggles and because I'm bored.

Without a first this year and with their current cap issues, this could be an opportunity to leverage for a Shea Theodore as the centerpiece in a potential deal, perhaps.
 
There will always be dumb people who don't know what to even bitch about but for me, the issue with Zacha isn't really his production. It's that he's literally one of the worst 5v5 players in the NHL and contributes nothing (absolutely nothing) outside of scoring on pp. He sucks defensively, he doesn't really battle hard, never uses his size (no one would even think twice if you told them he was 5'5). But yes, his production does suck too, that's not false.

If we can get a 50-60 pt winger who can battle on the boards, drives to the net consistently, uses their size effectively, and isn't a liability 5v5, that's a win for me. Doesn't need to be some 100 pt winger.
To be fair Zacha was actually much better this year in those aspects but didn’t produce well.
 
Let's go over potential trade situations for shits, giggles and because I'm bored.

Without a first this year and with their current cap issues, this could be an opportunity to leverage for a Shea Theodore as the centerpiece in a potential deal, perhaps.
If Vegas makes moves to dump cap, it'll be dadanov and patches, I think. Lehner's tenure has also likely run it's course.
 
Since Slafkofsky is a consensus for us at # 2, the interesting question is what if Montreal crosses everyone up by selecting him first? If he's off the board unexpectedly when we pick, whom do we go for?
You run to the podium and pick Wright imo. I doubt Montreal overthinks this though, they’re gonna go with the #1 Canadian center, consensus first pick, in front of their fans.
 
Since Slafkofsky is a consensus for us at # 2, the interesting question is what if Montreal crosses everyone up by selecting him first? If he's off the board unexpectedly when we pick, whom do we go for?

You try and play chicken with Arizona to switch spots and pick up one or their other first rounders and a second. Use those picks to get Fiala if he’s the guy we really want.
 
I’d have Matthews in there honestly. He’s that good.

He's definitely good but I don't agree he's on the same level of just completely carrying his team and taking over the game. Only 2 players I see doing that is McDavid and to an extent Makar.

And like Glen mentioned, Hughes is doing that with the Devils currently but he's not quite at the same level of those 2 guys just yet imo.
 
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He's definitely good but I don't agree he's on the same level of just completely carrying his team and taking over the game. Only 2 players I see doing that is McDavid and to an extent Makar.

And like Glen mentioned, Hughes is doing that with the Devils currently but he's not quite at the same level of those 2 guys just yet imo.

Makar’s never had to carry that team. He probably could but he’s surrounded by soooooo much
 
Since Slafkofsky is a consensus for us at # 2, the interesting question is what if Montreal crosses everyone up by selecting him first? If he's off the board unexpectedly when we pick, whom do we go for?

You pick Wright and the only way you think twice about it is if you can manage to fleece Arizona to flip picks.
 
Are any of these guys playing in the U-18's this spring?

U18s wrapped up a couple weeks ago, Slovakia didn't qualify for the eight team field. Jiricek was injured and replaced on the Czechia roster. I'd imagine that they'd play in the makeup WJC in August but that'd be after the draft.
 
The decision isn't painful as you think. It's more: do the Devils take the best F in Slafkovsky or the best D in Jiricek or Nemec?

It becomes more controversial if the Devils take one of the RD, since whomever is picked first of Jiricek or Nemec is always going to be compared to the other. Fortunately, they're stylistically diverse enough that you can justify the pick with "we wanted this type of defenseman".
Yes, and if your GM & head(s) of scouting ate afraid of making decisions they should get another job.

This reminds of 2017 after the lottery, but before the draft, when some people said they would have preferred the 2nd pick so they could take the player left because deciding was so hard(?) and they were afraid of being wrong (?).

f*** that noise. We gained a wide choice of the top players and that’s what you want. Disappointments and even busts do happen, so what, that’s life. You still want the opportunity to choose. There’s no reason to be cowardly about it.

The idea of actually preferring to have other teams make the choice for you by picking before you, and your team forced to take what’s left, so you’re more insulated from criticism, is loser talk.

And if people bring up other fans criticizing the Nico choice in 2017 in hindsight, I don’t give a flying f*** about that, so that’s not a problem for me either.
 
Generational = open for debate. I’d say McD and maybe Makar ( too soon to say) are in my option. Matthews…until he carries his team to win anything I’d wait to call him generational.
 
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I thought Crosby was generational but now it looks like Ovechkin's gonna finish with a better career when it's all over. How can you be generational when a player of your "generation" has a stronger resume?

Matthews/McDavid/Makar might be similar.
 
Common denominator between Lafreniere and Kakko is passable but not noteworthy skating. I think Slaf moves better than both of those guys and has more playmaking chops but if you take a look at the goals tonight - TB-TOR, McDavid's insurance goal, etc. - far more offense is being generated off the rush than ever.

The best players in the game skate well and create in transition. The high event game seems to be the way the league is headed, especially if you have a new commissioner trying to sell the game to a new generation. You might like the Jagr-isms in Slafkovsky's game - I certainly do - but it's not necessarily as useful as it was, despite whatever narrative people here want to emphasize because they grew up on that brand of hockey. In a game that's getting called tighter and tighter, where high end vision and skating are only growing in importance relative to the eternal emphasis on battling along the walls and below the goal line, I could see why a team like us would take Cooley. He does everything fast - his hands and skating are for sure faster than Slaf and I'd argue he's a much better transition guy. He's a very 2020s kind of player.

I'm not advocating we pick Cooley - I'm leaning towards betting on the upside of Slaf or Jiricek because we can afford to take that risk - but c'mon now. He could easily shift to wing and be a much more impactful player than Slafkovsky simply because his skillset is more valuable/relevant.

Rarity =/= value. I don't give a shit if a guy is a unicorn, I care if he gets results.
I would argue that Slafkovsky's passing vision is superior to Cooley, and I'd say his hands are about the same but I would give the edge to Slafkovsky because his ability to protect the puck with his body in tight makes him a dangerous stickhandler even when it seems there is no space.

I'd say Cooley has two advantages over Slafkovsky -- his speed is just ridiculous and his skating is beautiful, and these are significant advantages to say the least. This lends itself to Cooley's second advantage, which is that he's superior to Slafkovsky off the rush.

Slafkovsky, however, has about a dozen advantages over Cooley. I can write a dissertation about how rare Slafkovsky's abilities are down low -- when you combine his power game, passing and puck control, he's just a freak. He's more physical and he's just insanely talented in the opposing crease and along the boards. His shot is underutilized but it's actually very heavy and quite good.

It's also important to note that Cooley's advantages over Slafkovsky are aspects of the game which the Devils are already very, very good in. Cooley does not have the upside of Jack Hughes or Jesper Bratt in the speed/transition department. All of the Slafkovsky's many advantages over Cooley are aspects of the game which the Devils desperately, desperately lack.

The Devils were 3rd in the NHL in scoring off the rush, and 22nd in scoring off the cycle -- the largest discrepancy in either direction in the entire NHL. Though there are two more "finesse forwards" with top 6 potential on the way in Holtz and Gritsyuk, there are no "interior forwards" with top 6 potential in the system.

It is for these reasons that, for the Devils, picking Logan Cooley over Juraj Slafkovsky would represent not simply a *bad pick*, but a cataclysmic failure of team-building acumen. Not only is Slafkovsky the superior prospect, but he also represents the answer to a clear problem as opposed to yet another hammer stroke on the same old nail.

Again, there would be no complaints from my end if the Devils drafted David Jiricek or Simon Nemec. As players of an entirely different area of need who are both outstanding prospects, this would be a perfectly sane and logical route to go. Comparing a defenseman to a forward, when they are similarly high level players, is a silly rabbit hole to go digging down. But I do not see Cooley over Slafkovsky as even a vague consideration by the Devils scouting team, which is why I subtitled this thread "Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec".

I of course realize that you're not advocating Cooley at #2 overall, but I just wanted to respond to this particular post because of the singular idea I dispute which is that Cooley is somehow a better playmaker/puckhandler than Slafkovsky. You're certainly correct that Cooley is a phenomenal prospect who is more dangerous in transition than perhaps any player in the entire 2022 class. But anywhere other than transition, I'd have to give the edge soundly to Slafkovsky, as well as a tremendous edge as per who would be the wiser choice at #2 overall for NJ.
 
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