Prospect Info: Devils Win #2 Overall -- Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec

What should we do with #2?

  • Slafkovsky

    Votes: 220 61.5%
  • Jiricek

    Votes: 56 15.6%
  • Nemec

    Votes: 30 8.4%
  • Trade it

    Votes: 39 10.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 3.6%

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Slafkovsky plays Germany tomorrow. They will be a better team than France with some NHL talent (Stutzle, Seider, and Grubauer).

Biggest game to watch will be Monday vs Canada though. I’d imagine it will be hard for him to get much offense going on a much worse team against a team full of solid NHL players.
 
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I'm not comparing the two, but if anyone, maybe Steve, could answer. If Kakko and Slaf were in the same draft, no redraft, just the players the were projected to be at the time of the draft, who would have went first?

2 W Kappo Kakko the complete package, brilliant in every respect, likened to Peter Forsberg on the wing.” He also said this about Kakko pre-draft. It seems like revisionism to suggest these players are that far apart as prospects.
Yeah the Kakko hype was insane, he dominated in multiple international tournaments and had 38 points in 45 liiga games his draft year. If anything, they are far apart as prospects with Kakko clearly ahead (based on resume entering draft).

E.g.

I'm pretty sure Kakko would go 1st in this draft, he'd certainly go ahead of Slafkovsky. It wasn't until he hit the NHL we realized a lot of what he did on larger ice at a slower pace would struggle to translate
 
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Good game. Keep up something similar and I can be swayed.
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For all the worry about Slaf busting , there is also possibility of him taking off and exceeding expectations .
Watching interviews of him after the Olympics, he said he was supposed to be used as a defensive player on the 4th line . He got limited minutes but started scoring. He said he surprised himself almost . The kid is just learning his game and seeing his own potential . I think there is only more to come . If he hits or exceeds his ceiling , he is going to be a beast.
Yes , like others he could end up underwhelming but he has shown he has the tools and skill to potentailly be a dominant player.
I think we are in a spot where we can take a little bit more risk with our pick than if we are just starting out in the rebuild. I’d say go big or go home.
We are essentially playing with house money with winning the lotto, I say we go for it and take Slaf. We normally would not habe had a chance at him and I just don’t see how we can pass on that now.


It would suck if he falls to the Flyers spot and they take him and he ends up Draisaitl 2.0


And not beig able to get out of our own zone because we are getting run out of the building. You say to add talent. When has anyone said that Slafkovsky is void of talent? Because he doesnt score pretty highlight reel goals? Are we going to just have our finesse “talented” guys politely ask the opposition if they could kindly be allowed to drive the net and get in scoring positions? Yes we need talent but I don’t see how people feel the need to have a roster constructed of all small finesse players .

Hughes Nico Mercer PLUS want to add another C to be used on the third line with the second overall pick……

So… we draft a kid that has been elite at every level his entire life and has been told constantly he is an elite stud wherever he has played. He finally gets drafted , and he gets the privilege of being a 3C with awesome wingers like Kuokkanen and Johnson lol. I’m sure he will be very very happy beig a third liner playif with plugs and will gladly sign a very team friendly contract when it’s due.
Expect him to dominate in the NHL with shit wingers playif on the third line ?
Get the F out of here with that shit.

…. Yes if the rest of the roster was constructed perfectly and had no other needs at all , then hell ya , stack the roster as much as possible but we aren’t there. We need a player like Slafkovsky can be . We don’t have anyone like that. We are soft as baby shit. But let’s totally neglect that even the need of another RHD to draft a C even though we have two franchise level ones already. Makes no sense at all . None.
So . Next year after we draft Cooley then. The best player in the next draft is a C where we are picking . “Yo. Do you know what would be sick? If we had 4 stud C ! Can you imagine ? Ya we finished 4 th last in the league because we can’t play any sort of interior game at all but can you imagine how sweet it would be to have 4 awesome C !
I heard a guy in TV say you build a team with strength at C up the middle . … so we will have 4 awesome ones so we are going to be unstoppable. Yes they don’t have anyone to play with on their wings and they get blown up all the time amd can’t get to the slot but hey , they scored more points in Jr than other kids his age.
Defensive 4th line surprisingly himself with his scoring and learning his game are all things I do not like when drafting someone 2nd
 
Kakko is a one trick pony. He has limited offensive skills and doesn't play physical despite his size. Slafkovsky is the real deal. A complete player with elite hands, vision and physicality. The guy can individually will his team into dangerous scoring chances shift after shift. Kakko can only dream that.

I've seen Kakko playing since he was 16, and I've also seen Slafkovsky playing since he was 16.

If we look at the time they've played Liiga, there's no doubt Kakko was much better offensively. He did whatever he wanted when he stepped into the ice.

But I wouldn't compare their production in Liiga too much. Juraj has focused much more on defense than Kakko did in 2019. Mainly because of this effort on defense, he will be, in my opinion, more NHL ready than Kakko was in 2019.

I think Kakko will make a great career in the NHL if he can rebuild his identity. I mean, finding the right balance between defense and offense.

As for Juraj, I'd compare him more against another player I used to watch since he was 16 in TPS. That player is Mikko Rantanen.
 
Tons of good points but I strongly agree with what I isolated for points .
Ostlund I can see rise like crazy and go in the first round, he is a very good prospect and has potential to be possibly top 10 in a redraft a few years down the road.

Im the same with preference in what to do with the pick. Slaf / Jiri #1 and #2 . Nemec #3 , trade the pick 4 , then …. I am not sure after that. Gauthier is too far of a reach so … I think Lambert but again , I’d rather try to fill a need the best I can amd Lambert doesn’t really do that as well as other options.
Look, I love Logan Cooley. Everything I've written about this kid for nearly a calendar year has been nothing short of glowing. The last thing I want is to disparage -- or for anyone to disparage -- such a wonderful prospect.

But there comes a point where logic has to enter the equation. If 1) we cannot separate Cooley talent wise as superior to Slafkovsky/Jiricek/Nemec and 2) we have less need for a player of Cooley's position than Slafkovsky/Jiricek/Nemec and 3) we have less need for a player of Cooley's style than Slafkovsky/Jiricek/Nemec then the answer is that he is the player out of the 4 we should be ruling out for the #2 overall pick.

That's why "trade down" is my #4 option. If the Devils scouting staff has reservations about Slafkovsky in particular -- which I do not foresee -- they can trade down to #3 or #4 and still know they will get one of Jiricek/Nemec, and that would be fine.

But we are at #2 now -- we cannot leave this draft with a Lambert or Cooley and still have a huge hole with no interior F in the top 6 and a huge hole at RD, because those are two of the 3 major strengths at the top of the 2022 draft class.
 
How good is Slaf supposed to be, actually? Because I haven't been following that particular player and don't want to make any claims that I shouldn't be making. I know he's apparently quite polarizing though.
 
I've seen Kakko playing since he was 16, and I've also seen Slafkovsky playing since he was 16.

If we look at the time they've played Liiga, there's no doubt Kakko was much better offensively. He did whatever he wanted when he stepped into the ice.

But I wouldn't compare their production in Liiga too much. Juraj has focused much more on defense than Kakko did in 2019. Mainly because of this effort on defense, he will be, in my opinion, more NHL ready than Kakko was in 2019.

I think Kakko will make a great career in the NHL if he can rebuild his identity. I mean, finding the right balance between defense and offense.

As for Juraj, I'd compare him more against another player I used to watch since he was 16 in TPS. That player is Mikko Rantanen.

I mean the issue with Kakko at the defense is already all there and it’s great but he can’t produce lol
 
How good is Slaf supposed to be, actually? Because I haven't been following that particular player and don't want to make any claims that I shouldn't be making. I know he's apparently quite polarizing though.
Zacha at best.

In all seriousness it’s really hard to say how good he’s supposed to be. At best he could be an elite first line power forward and one of the best wingers in the NHL.
If things don’t go as well he could be a big bottom 6 forward who brings the occasional offense and uses his size and physicality.

There’s always risk

I personally think it’s unlikely he’s not at least a solid top 6 forward and I think he’ll be a very good one.
 
Does anyone remember the last time there was a "consensus" #1 and he didn't go #1?

Looking I think Ekblad 1st overall as the last time there was a real question:

I remember Isles hinting at taking Duchene over Tavares but that seemed to be a bluff even to me as an uninformed viewer.

If you're curious the first one I thought of was MA Fluery over Eric Staal. I was curious so I checked out the mother site:


Bob McKenzie:


Consensus seems to be a relatively new thing with the birth of the internet.
 
I don't really know what you're getting at. I was talking about how Slaf even after the jump in ice time barely had a higher PPG than Heinola. That's not a 2nd overall player.

Ah, you were talking about Slaf and I thought you are talking about Zacha :)
 
How exactly are you related to Cooley again?

Cooley’s not even my guy…

Looking I think Ekblad 1st overall as the last time there was a real question:

I remember Isles hinting at taking Duchene over Tavares but that seemed to be a bluff even to me as an uninformed viewer.

If you're curious the first one I thought of was MA Fluery over Eric Staal. I was curious so I checked out the mother site:


Bob McKenzie:


Consensus seems to be a relatively new thing with the birth of the internet.

Ranking wise 2017 was definitely closer. That was razor thin. It did seem like we were taking Nico all along though
 
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