Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part VI

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His defense is killing us, we need more 100s buddy.

Meier should push assists up though.
Jack is going to be at 48 goals and 98 points heading into the last regular season game and he's going to play about 58 minutes with one goal before scoring the second one to win it in OT sending several of the third trimester pregnant women there into labor, and maybe a few of the guys too. It will be glorious.
 

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Jack is going to be at 48 goals and 98 points heading into the last regular season game and he's going to play about 58 minutes with one goal before scoring the second one to win it in OT sending several of the third trimester pregnant women there into labor, and maybe a few of the guys too. It will be glorious.
Imagine both Jack and Timo hitting 50 in that game :)
 

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Nobody said Lou would have done any better. But if you think what Shero accomplished here couldn't have happened with any number of other average GM's, you're out to lunch. The Larsson-Hall trade wasn't about Shero being awesome, it was about Chia being a complete moron. Giving him big marks for first overall selections is also being incredibly generous. Jack was the consensus pick, and Nico was a 50/50 based on consensus, kudos to Ray for picking the right one but let's not make it seem like it was some visionary off the board move. We can give him credit for Bratt, sure...but let's not pretend that's not offset by a couple of first rounders that didn't live up to their draft position.

Your hatred of Lou seems to be the main impetus for pumping Ray's tires. Keith Kincaid wasn't a great goalie just cuz he had a better peak here than Marty's twilight seasons, you dig?
yes, when shero gets insulted on here that’s when my lou hatred comes out. lou’s bumbling bullshittery is necessary context to understand how bad the shape of the organization was when shero walked in.

fitz has done an amazing job, but his day 1 was EXTREMELY different from shero’s. you can downplay shero‘s accomplishments all you want, but he turned this franchise around and even made the playoffs in the process. and of course, a big part of that was getting rid of useless lou bums like camm and schneider while drafting players like Z who was literally just a major piece of the timo trade. which was my original point.

saying that other nameless average GM’s (whatever that means) would have done the same is such a vague, ridiculous thing to say and is utterly meaningless. personally, i can’t wait to see who cleans up the islanders for lou this time when he inevitably gets the stanky boot.
 

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Imagine both Jack and Timo hitting 50 in that game :)
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yes, when shero gets insulted on here that’s when my lou hatred comes out. lou’s bumbling bullshittery is necessary context to understand how bad the shape of the organization was when shero walked in.

fitz has done an amazing job, but his day 1 was EXTREMELY different from shero’s. you can downplay shero‘s accomplishments all you want, but he turned this franchise around and even made the playoffs in the process. and of course, a big part of that was getting rid of useless lou bums like camm and schneider while drafting players like Z who was literally just a major piece of the timo trade. which was my original point.

saying that other nameless average GM’s (whatever that means) would have done the same is such a vague, ridiculous thing to say and is utterly meaningless. personally, i can’t wait to see who cleans up the islanders for lou this time when he inevitably gets the stanky boot.
There's nothing ridiculous about it. Shero was an average GM who accomplished exactly what you'd expect any other average GM to accomplish. Of course we got some good prospects and players from Shero's picks...we were literally a cellar team picking high in the draft for multiple years. Were you expecting something less than what he delivered?? What he got out of those picks is only a major accomplishment if you insist on living in an alternate universe where ownership was seriously considering keeping Lou around forever. Otherwise it's basically par for the course for any team that sucks and picks high multiple years running.

Everything else outside the draft was blah. His trademark move - acquiring Hall - bought the team a playoff spot but it didn't bring them any closer to long-term success. It simply delayed the inevitable.

There is literally nothing remarkable about what Ray did. The fact that his predecessor was horrid is irrelevant. You're clearly grading on a massive curve.

EDIT: And I'd also like to add that I don't believe for one second Ray would have remade this team the way that Fitz has. Ray wouldn't know a quality defender if it bit him in the ass.
 

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Garth Snow got fired before the Islanders ascended, Scott Howson got fired before the Jackets ascended with Jarmo. It happens all the time in this sport where a GM sets up the future GM with tons of assets/capital to take advantage. It'd be mind numbing to say Shero didn't set up this team to Fitz on a platter. Granted, Fitz has made a ton of shrewd moves on his own like the Siegs, Vanecek, etc. Most of the stuff has been through what Shero left him.
Seriously....Long Island and Columbus are pretty terrible examples. Decades of futility with tiny moments of competitiveness is nothing to aspire to.
 
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Man if there's any way to bring back Rico without screwing the cap for next year this team is something

Tatar - Hischier - Mercer
Meier - Hughes - Bratt
Palat - Henrique - Sharangovich
Haula - McLeod - Bastian

The cap next year is not an issue. The issue is the cap this year and the cost. Anaheim would need to take back Miles Wood and retain about $1 million. But what would we give up? Henrique with no retention is probably worth a late 1st. But we don’t have any 1sts to trade until 2025.
 

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The cap next year is not an issue. The issue is the cap this year and the cost. Anaheim would need to take back Miles Wood and retain about $1 million. But what would we give up? Henrique with no retention is probably worth a late 1st. But we don’t have any 1sts to trade until 2025.
A first for Henrique with NO retention? That seems steep, idk.
 

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I think Henrique is an fall 2023 trade (if at all). Assuming we dont resign Tatar but do resign Haula, I view him as our insurance policy for young guys (Foote, Boqvist, Clarke, etc.) in the bottom 6 not taking the next step during training camp. You then get him at 50% for a prospect (someone like a Foote) + pick (2nd or 3rd rounder)
 

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That reminds me, The Hockey News future watch 2023 is now out. Anyone know of a way to order just that issue and have it shipped to me? Or if that isn't possible, to order just digital version of it? THN's site only lets me buy a subscription.

I think Henrique is an fall 2023 trade (if at all). Assuming we dont resign Tatar but do resign Haula, I view him as our insurance policy for young guys (Foote, Boqvist, Clarke, etc.) in the bottom 6 not taking the next step during training camp. You then get him at 50% for a prospect (someone like a Foote) + pick (2nd or 3rd rounder)
Cap would be better spent on a stop-gap LD, since we'd be counting on Bahl and LHughes out there with no backup.
 

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Jack is going to be at 48 goals and 98 points heading into the last regular season game and he's going to play about 58 minutes with one goal before scoring the second one to win it in OT sending several of the third trimester pregnant women there into labor, and maybe a few of the guys too. It will be glorious.
With Luke with the assist as Luke goes coast to coast ,passes to Jack as he smiles a beauty .

Aghhh I just noticed now….. I got my like button taken away….
Im just guessimg it was for posting “ You sir are an idiot” I’m response to that LeafsGeorge guy or whatever the hell his name is .The guy that made a couple posts saying that the Devils were a fluke and then when we had our shitty December , saying we our collapse was finally happening.
His latest stupid take was saying that us getting Meier was waste , we got ripped off , and no way he will extend lol.
 

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I think Henrique is an fall 2023 trade (if at all). Assuming we dont resign Tatar but do resign Haula, I view him as our insurance policy for young guys (Foote, Boqvist, Clarke, etc.) in the bottom 6 not taking the next step during training camp. You then get him at 50% for a prospect (someone like a Foote) + pick (2nd or 3rd rounder)

Re-signing Haula but not Tatar would be quite the choice. Tatar should be a no brainer.
 

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There's nothing ridiculous about it. Shero was an average GM who accomplished exactly what you'd expect any other average GM to accomplish. Of course we got some good prospects and players from Shero's picks...we were literally a cellar team picking high in the draft for multiple years. Were you expecting something less than what he delivered?? What he got out of those picks is only a major accomplishment if you insist on living in an alternate universe where ownership was seriously considering keeping Lou around forever. Otherwise it's basically par for the course for any team that sucks and picks high multiple years running.

Everything else outside the draft was blah. His trademark move - acquiring Hall - bought the team a playoff spot but it didn't bring them any closer to long-term success. It simply delayed the inevitable.

There is literally nothing remarkable about what Ray did. The fact that his predecessor was horrid is irrelevant. You're clearly grading on a massive curve.

EDIT: And I'd also like to add that I don't believe for one second Ray would have remade this team the way that Fitz has. Ray wouldn't know a quality defender if it bit him in the ass.
if being a cellar team and getting multiple high draft picks is such an obvious, easy thing to do then why didn’t it happen until shero got here? which brings me back to- the moves shero DIDN’T make are just as important as the ones he did make. instead of making moves to appease a fan base and keep our wheels spinning in neutral, he positioned us to draft high and often. what a concept.

(like an average GM i suppose) he pulled off one of the most lopsided trades in recent memory, which you downplay as a consequence of chiarelli’s incompetence as if chiarelli was only shopping hall to NJ. but, as you mentioned, even bringing in a league MVP for peanuts isn’t good enough for you, nor is making the playoffs, so i’m not sure what shero could have done to get your blessing. focus more on defense? yeah that’d be great except literally every position at every level of our organization was an absolute tire fire. sorry he couldn’t fix every aspect of this team in 4 years when he started off with lou’s geriatric team of f***around rejects.

you’re goddamn right i’m grading on a curve. look at our 2015 organization, full of seneys and pietilas and other assorted garbage, then look at the organization on shero’s last day. if you still don’t understand how miraculous that turnaround is, i doubt you ever will. that is why the context of Gramps McShitdiapers’ buffoonery is critical.
 
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