Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part VI

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bossram

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I don’t think you can (or should) pay Bratt less than Meier.
Personally, I agree.

But realistically, Meier has a longer track record of production, and the looming $10M QO gives him more leverage. I would not be surprised if he asks for, and receives, more than Bratt.

There's also the "can't lose Meier after we just traded for him" angle too.
 
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Personally, I agree.

But realistically, Meier has a longer track record of production, and the looming $10M QO gives him more leverage. I would not be surprised if he asks for, and receives, more than Bratt.

There's also the "can't lose Meier after we just traded for him" angle too.

If you get Bratt done first then sure. If Meier is done first though I’d imagine Bratt would be pushing the same deal unless he’s just willing to take less.
 

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Oh they are talking now as we speak? Can’t wait till another couple months go by of nothing and we get the update that they are talking again lol
 
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Damn would’ve loved some form of that leaf’s deal. Would be so valuable capwise and definitely worth the price. Wouldn’t have to worry about our D this off-season and would have extra cap space having Mcabe for the next 2 seasons at 2M. And lafferty on that contract.
 
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if being a cellar team and getting multiple high draft picks is such an obvious, easy thing to do then why didn’t it happen until shero got here? which brings me back to- the moves shero DIDN’T make are just as important as the ones he did make. instead of making moves to appease a fan base and keep our wheels spinning in neutral, he positioned us to draft high and often. what a concept.

(like an average GM i suppose) he pulled off one of the most lopsided trades in recent memory, which you downplay as a consequence of chiarelli’s incompetence as if chiarelli was only shopping hall to NJ. but, as you mentioned, even bringing in a league MVP for peanuts isn’t good enough for you, nor is making the playoffs, so i’m not sure what shero could have done to get your blessing. focus more on defense? yeah that’d be great except literally every position at every level of our organization was an absolute tire fire. sorry he couldn’t fix every aspect of this team in 4 years when he started off with lou’s geriatric team of f***around rejects.

you’re goddamn right i’m grading on a curve. look at our 2015 organization, full of seneys and pietilas and other assorted garbage, then look at the organization on shero’s last day. if you still don’t understand how miraculous that turnaround is, i doubt you ever will. that is why the context of Gramps McShitdiapers’ buffoonery is critical.
Miraculous?!

None of this happened until Shero got here because we had a stubborn past-his-prime GM at the helm. What other GM do you think ownership would have hired that would have kept doing what Lou was doing?! Everyone from the execs in highest suite to the lady serving pretzels on the concourse knew that the new regime would be "building through the draft". Come on now. This is just ridiculous tire pumping for really basic rebuilding steps. There were no miracles. He did the minimum everyone and their mother expected. Please stop trying to make it seem like Ray saved us from a Lou 2.0 as if that alternative was ever a realistic possibility.

Any GM who insists on hanging on to John f***ing Hynes and that mediocre staff surrounding him is not a GM anyone should be giving high praise to.
 
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It wouldn’t surprise me after trading for Timo without an extension Fitz wants to sign Bratt first as a sorta “Now you are my priority” type thing.

Which maybe means he thinks contract extension talks will be smoother with Timo than Bratt.
I think more just to avoid pushing Bratt’s price up if he thinks Meier is gonna cost more.

If he thinks he can get Bratt done for 8-8.5M but thinks it’ll take 9M to get Meier done it would be smarter to do the cheaper one first so Bratt isn’t saying well you just gave him 9M.
 

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He wants to sign Bratt first before he sees the number Timo is going to get :laugh:

I think more just to avoid pushing Bratt’s price up if he thinks Meier is gonna cost more.

If he thinks he can get Bratt done for 8-8.5M but thinks it’ll take 9M to get Meier done it would be smarter to do the cheaper one first so Bratt isn’t saying well you just gave him 9M.

Beat me to it by a few seconds.
 
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It wouldn’t surprise me after trading for Timo without an extension Fitz wants to sign Bratt first as a sorta “Now you are my priority” type thing.

Which maybe means he thinks contract extension talks will be smoother with Timo than Bratt.
or (knowing how tough bratt's agent might be), if he benchmarks the contract by signing Timo first, then bratt loses leverage in value to the team ("see? everyone else got like 8.5. can you be a team player for us and do the same?")
 
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or (knowing how tough bratt's agent might be), if he benchmarks the contract by signing Timo first, then bratt loses leverage in value to the team ("see? everyone else got like 8.5. can you be a team player for us and do the same?")
It’s likely the opposite of that. Timo is more likely gonna be more expensive than Bratt. If he gets 9M Bratt’s agent is more likely to push for that. If he can get Bratt done cheaper before Meier that’s probably smarter.
 
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As much as I like bratt too, he is still a RFA if we cant get him signed soon isnt that bad. Sooner the better for both tho

I hope the cap goes up by more than $1~ mil after this season. Even if it doesnt, for 2024-2025 it is supposed to go up by at least $4 mil. Might have to backend their contracts money wise
 

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As much as I like bratt too, he is still a RFA if we cant get him signed soon isnt that bad. Sooner the better for both tho

I hope the cap goes up by more than $1~ mil after this season. Even if it doesnt, for 2024-2025 it is supposed to go up by at least $4 mil. Might have to backend their contracts money wise

With RSN issues plaguing like half the league now that expected growth doesn’t seem as likely now
 
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Looking at all the money and what we’re gonna need to do this off-season I think the biggest decisions are gonna come down to what we do with our final 5-10M in cap space.

Think that’s gonna come down to 3 roster spots/options

Can likely do 1-2 of them:

-Add middle 6 skill (eg. Tatar)
Alternative: rely on young guys and other bottom 6 players for secondary offense (eg. Sharangovich, Boqvist, Haula/new3C, Holtz, Clarke)

-middle dman (eg. Graves)
Alternative: rely on Hughes, Smith, Bahl, and Nemec or a possible cheaper depth D signing as our 4-7D

-sign an NHL goalie to partner Vitek (eg. Blackwood or veteran)
Alternative: rely on Schmid as backup (Daws and decent AHL guy after him)



Cheapish 3C such as Haula is already assumed to be resigned in this for 2-3M. Another option would be to not sign another skilled middle 6 winger and instead get a more impactful 3C who can create more offense for as much as 4-5M. Would have like 2-7M in cap space left after that.
 
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Looking at all the money and what we’re gonna need to do this off-season I think the biggest decisions are gonna come down to what we do with our final 5-10M in cap space.

Think that’s gonna come down to 3 roster spots/options

Can likely do 1-2 of them:

-Add middle 6 skill (eg. Tatar)
Alternative: rely on young guys and other bottom 6 players for secondary offense (eg. Sharangovich, Boqvist, Haula/new3C, Holtz, Clarke)

-middle dman (eg. Graves)
Alternative: rely on Hughes, Smith, Bahl, and Nemec or a possible cheaper depth D signing as our 4-7D

-sign an NHL goalie to partner Vitek (eg. Blackwood or veteran)
Alternative: rely on Schmid as backup (Daws and decent AHL guy after him)
Tatar’s a no brainer. Then 3C. I’d go cheap on the D and accept you’re going to take a step back for a year on the backend for next year. Get like Holl for a 3RD
 
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Some people may not like this idea but given how tight we’ll likely be cap wise this off-season once we figure everything out if it comes down to it I might honestly prefer signing Tatar to a 2 year 3M contract and trading Sharangovich than letting Tatar go and giving Sharangovich like 2-3M. Think Tatar is notably more valuable especially given the players we have now (size, shooters, and talent in the top 6).
Sharangovich shows flashes often when he’s in the top 6 with Hughes but otherwise is pretty invisible most games. We have talented shooters and some size now in Meier, Palat, and Holtz and Tatar is much more impactful in other areas of the ice when he’s not producing.
 
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That reminds me, The Hockey News future watch 2023 is now out. Anyone know of a way to order just that issue and have it shipped to me? Or if that isn't possible, to order just digital version of it? THN's site only lets me buy a subscription.
You can usually buy a digital version of the single issue on zinio website/app.

It may take a week before it is uploaded, so you will likely need to wait until it appears on their site.
 

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Tatar’s a no brainer. Then 3C. I’d go cheap on the D and accept you’re going to take a step back for a year on the backend for next year. Get like Holl for a 3RD
I assumed a 3C is resigned before this. It’s already counted against the cap when I went through.That’s a guarentee.
Don’t know if Tatar is if they want to get a decent defensmen and given what we already have.

How much would Holl cost?

What if we could sign Tatar, Graves(or someone similar), and get a okay backup goalie but had to trade Sharangovich to afford that?
 

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Some people may not like this idea but given how tight we’ll likely be cap wise this off-season once we figure everything out if it comes down to it I might honestly prefer signing Tatar to a 2 year 3M contract and trading Sharangovich than letting Tatar go and giving Sharangovich like 2-3M. Think Tatar is notably more valuable especially given the players we have now (size, shooters, and talent in the top 6).
Sharangovich shows flashes often when he’s in the top 6 with Hughes but otherwise is pretty invisible most games. We have talented shooters and some size now in Meier, Palat, and Holtz and Tatar is much more impactful in tiger areas of the ice when he’s not producing.

That should be the popular opinion because it’s the correct one. I really don’t see a path forward for Yegor here beyond this year. 5/6 top 6 spots are now basically locked in. You hope Holtz takes that last spot. If he doesn’t then Palat or Tatar as the 6th and the other a 3rd line wing. I’d rather get Clarke in there as the other wing on his ELC than Yegor. Yegor’s a useful top 6 piece and basically a PK specialist in a bottom 6 role.
 

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Fitz has been speaking to Bratt's agent for years & nothing is getting done. Until I see the headline Bratt has resigned idc if there's talks or not.
Fitz is a pretty candid guy. What incentive is there for him to lie? Bratt backing last year and proving last year wasn't a fluke makes Fitz more comfortable giving him a big contract. A lot has changed since last summer.
 

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If we don't add a depth forward I'd like to get Clarke some games down the stretch. We're 2 forward injuries away from having to bump one Bastian or Wood into the top 9. Get a look at what you have with Clarke because he'd likely be a much better piece there and I wouldn't want to throw him to the wolves in the playoffs.
Holtz is still ahead of Clarke in depth chart, depending on how bad his injury is.
 
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