Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

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Yeah, we've certainly heard these teams being mentioned before. Still, not great that Weekes is tossing other suitors out there.

Half the time I see the Leafs mentioned in trade rumors I dismiss it as obvious TSN clickbait. Here it might be real, since a trade for Meier would make some sense for them.
 

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Yeah, we've certainly heard these teams being mentioned before. Still, not great that Weekes is tossing other suitors out there.
On the other hand, I may interpret this as the Sharks really working the rumor mill because they feel their not getting enough traction going on trade talk right now.

So they want to create as much impression of a bidding war as possible. If there was a real bidding war you may be more likely to want it out of the public eye, for all teams involved.
 
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there are teams that literally operate into LTIR every year, like Toronto, Vegas, Tampa, etc and they are never hindered from making a move if they want/need to.

the Ondrej Palat contract is not hindering the Devils from doing ANYTHING.

The Leafs traded the pick that became Seth Jarvis to get rid of Marleau’s contract

The Knights tried to pay a second round pick to rid themselves of Dadonov’s contract

Tampa has traded nearly every first round pick since 2018 trying to get cap friendly contracts.

So you’re telling me that these teams are never hindered from making a move by the cap? That’s what you’re arguing?
 

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The Leafs traded the pick that became Seth Jarvis to get rid of Marleau’s contract

The Knights tried to pay a second round pick to rid themselves of Dadonov’s contract

Tampa has traded nearly every first round pick since 2018 trying to get cap friendly contracts.

So you’re telling me that these teams are never hindered from making a move by the cap? That’s what you’re arguing?
Palat is probably the Devils 4th best forward right now. Were those players the equivalent of that when they were dumped?

It seems very silly to argue that in year 1 of the contract, it is somehow already causing the Devils great pains when he’s performing well when playing.
 

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The Leafs traded the pick that became Seth Jarvis to get rid of Marleau’s contract

The Knights tried to pay a second round pick to rid themselves of Dadonov’s contract

Tampa has traded nearly every first round pick since 2018 trying to get cap friendly contracts.

So you’re telling me that these teams are never hindered from making a move by the cap? That’s what you’re arguing?

and how many hockey games have those teams won recently? I think a lot!

Its a really, REALLY weird thing to be bellyaching about a guy's contract in the middle of a season when he has been a good player for the team this year and its not preventing us from doing anything. Hell, we're the favorites to land the biggest trade chip on the market from all accounts.
 

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Be cool guys, team is in the driver's seat and Grier won't make the move today unless he gets blown away, no rush for him to make a deal until the deadline. Canes also aren't going to outbid with a prospect better than Holtz (i.e. include Jarvis/Necas), and our 1st is worth more. Just gotta run out the clock here.
 

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Fitz is pressing, we'll see what happens just glad he's being aggressive. The Sharks have no reason to not drag this out as long as possible to maximize return
 
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Vatanen was good pickup by Shero. I liked the Vatanen deal. It really helped us in 2017-2018.

The only problem with the Vatanen deal was that Vatanen for some reason (much like Subban and he was even younger) got old too quick and was a useless player before he was even 30 years old.

And the player he was traded for is one of the rare players that doesn't seem to be a whole lot worse at 33 years old than he was at 27 years old when he last played here.

I thought Vatanen was still good his last year here on that initial contract that he was on when we acquired him. But when he came back in 2021 (After being on the free agent market literally the entire offseason and signing with us I think after camp already started), we found out pretty quickly that he was toast. That was almost the defense version of Ponikarovsky 2.0 when he was reacquired. And that was his last year in the NHL. The trade helped us in 2017-2018.

Should we really expect him to still be a good, contributing member of this roster today, just to consider it a success? Even on a normal trajectory and not the extreme trajectory that Vatanen took where he hit his NHL expiration date at 29 years old, Vatanen is now 31 years old and probably shouldn't be expected to have still been a significant contributor to this roster.

It is fair to say that Shero's acquisitions either got too old or would have been too old to really be positive contributors by the time we were consistently a competitive team. Palmieri and Johansson are 32 and neither are all that great anymore, Hall is 31 and still pretty good, though not as good as that MVP year and he never really was before that either. Vatanen is 31 and has been out of the league for 2 years now.

And for what it's worth, Will Butcher was a positive for this team at least in the 17-18 season and maybe even the year after that. I didn't think he was terrible, but he just couldn't skate and he fell out of favor with Ruff and now he's been reduced to AHLer/NHL call up player.
 

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Half the time I see the Leafs mentioned in trade rumors I dismiss it as obvious TSN clickbait. Here it might be real, since a trade for Meier would make some sense for them.

Friedman explained it from the Leafs perspective on the latest 32 Thoughts podcast and it made some sense - essentially going all-in this season and dealing with they contract situations with Meier and Nylander (who would be a year away from UFA and eligible to sign an extension) after the playoffs.

Still think we're the favorites, but the Leafs and to a lesser extent the Canes could get desperate and toss out a ridiculous offer.
 

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Palat's contract is not hindering the Devils from doing literally anything this year. You're wrong. So yes, I will continue to argue that point.

I f***ing hate the wily veteran winger with 13 points (6 goals) in 20 GP. GTFO with the leadership garbage. YAWN.

I hear this parasite loser was the ultimate glue guy on Tampa.

Had the 2nd most points (21) and tied for most goals (11) in their last playoff run (23 GP). Gross.

Most Game Winning Goals (3) too. Why do they even keep track of that when we know what his cap hit is?

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Just to turn off the sarcasm for a second. I understood Fitz selling him in terms of leadership as we tried to more vaguely “take the next step” or “not be a doormat” or whatever.

But if we’re actually going to the playoffs this year, how do you not want a guy who has 94 points in 138 playoff games?

And was total money in the playoffs with scoring big goals as recently last season? On f***ing Tampa?

And you can see why when he plays, he’s incredible at puck protection. He’s not super skilled or a huge guy but can keep the puck and get it to the net to shoot it.

I wish the contract was at least one year and 1m less too but that’s life.
 

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Fitz is pressing, we'll see what happens just glad he's being aggressive. The Sharks have no reason to not drag this out as long as possible to maximize return
Well…it depends on how bad the Sharks think they can get quickly.

The worse they can get quickly, the better. The reward of getting the first pick is so massive that it would be worth losing 5% of this trades value if it helped me lose 2 or 3 more points by seasons end.
 

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I've never seen someone so desperate to become an insider as Kevin Weekes. Remember his whole cringe "I'm posting this from the bathroom at work!" shit this summer?

He broke the Shattenkirk move and a couple others and now he thinks he's Margarita Bob. Shut the f*** up lol.
 

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Fitz is pressing, we'll see what happens just glad he's being aggressive. The Sharks have no reason to not drag this out as long as possible to maximize return

Yeah, I don't see why the Sharks would drag this out to the TDL. He's by far the top player on the market, so teams are either in or out on him...they don't want to risk injury to Meier...Sharks are better off with him out of the lineup to help the tank...

I think a trade gets done this week. Seems like everything is heating up now with players being pulled from lineups.
 

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I never said no one should be making more than Jack. I've simply stated that I don't think Bratt is worth more than $8M. Without Jack in the lineup it has been exposing Bratt in a negative way: he's been looking like a complimentary player.

It's a small sample size but very early on the season I pointed out how Bratt has these periods of ghosting, and his kind of inconsistency is what gets teams bounced. To make that worse now, he's not stepping up when we need our depth to.

Yes, he will get assists here and there, but I've hardly seem him driving the play. He has the puck on his stick a second before it's off and to another. He's terrible at freeing up the puck along the boards. But, he's got the speed and finesse to hold onto it longer in the open ice to free up others: a Jack-lite so to speak. Except, he doesn't do that much!

Meier and Bratt are nearly the same career PPG, and are both breaking out at the same time. Bratt has the advantage of being 2 years younger, but Meier being a power forward offers a lot more to his game. Meier is worth more on the open market.

I have no problem paying Meier $9M, because when he's not directly scoring - he'll at least be doing other things (the same reason I don't really get upset at Nico). Bratt on the hand is, right now, is about as one-dimensional as it gets.

Though I did see a little hope after he got demoted from Nico's line. I think he was maybe playing with Haula and Mercer/Shara? Either way, he was put on a line that was a lot more physical and that really opened him up. But as of now Meier should and will get paid more. If not here than another team.
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I've never seen someone so desperate to become an insider as Kevin Weekes. Remember his whole cringe "I'm posting this from the bathroom at work!" shit this summer?

He broke the Shattenkirk move and a couple others and now he thinks he's Margarita Bob. Shut the f*** up lol.

hes broken way more than that. Hes probably better than most of these guys outside of Lebrun.
 

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I've never seen someone so desperate to become an insider as Kevin Weekes. Remember his whole cringe "I'm posting this from the bathroom at work!" shit this summer?

He broke the Shattenkirk move and a couple others and now he thinks he's Margarita Bob. Shut the f*** up lol.

Huh? Weekes is by far the top Insider right now at breaking trades/signings.
 
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On the other hand, I may interpret this as the Sharks really working the rumor mill because they feel their not getting enough traction going on trade talk right now.

So they want to create as much impression of a bidding war as possible. If there was a real bidding war you may be more likely to want it out of the public eye, for all teams involved.
With it being said that we have significant interest and we have talked to SJ the past 48 hours , I can see SJ want to pit it out there that there is interest to try to drive up value amd try to get us to up our offer.
I think it’s honestly just us and the Canes with other teams being tossed around for click bait plus feigned interest.
 

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Okay, but that’s just absurd. You’re arguing that a team that is stuck in LTIR is no more hindered than a team that banks cap space all year.

You can argue that Palat is worth the hinderance, but to argue that it’s not a hinderance at all is ridiculous.

I think the larger problem is just singling out Palat as the cause of the issue - every contract on the roster contributes to reaching the salary cap threshold.

Not signing Smith and Wood for instance would have allowed the Devils to bank cap space and I would rather have Palat than those two for this year.
 
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