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Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

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If they can't get out of their way and suck until Hischier reaches UFA then they have no one else blame but themselves because that's the first domino to fall with this core in terms of massive personnel decisions. He will walk if they suck and anyone with a brain wouldn't blame him in the slightest. That being said, they have the next 3 years to show him that this team can compete for a Cup and they arguably should be making deep runs relatively soon with slight tinkering + coach hire.

JimEIV said:
The records are going to be almost identical. Shockingly similar.

Record: 36-35-4 (76 points), 7th in NHL Metropolitan

Record: 38-36-8 (84 points), Finished 7th in NHL Metropolitan
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The 84 points for that 15-16 team was considered a massive success where as the 76 points currently is one of the biggest disappointments in the league, they don't compare at all. Also ignoring the fact one team got .920 goaltending v the .890 goaltending that this team got isn't fair either
 
ZYXWVUT said:
could have just tried to eat the puck on the boards no? or a light chip around that forechecker to at least see if he can beat him to it or someone else in support can. moot point now though anyways.
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Could he have made a better play? Maybe.

But the main fault belongs to the winger, not the D. The D can't just make magic occur. The winger should have been in front of Karlsson to help chip that puck out. Being 20 feet behind Karlsson is nuts.
 
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ZachaFlockaFlame said:
If they can't get out of their way and suck until Hischier reaches UFA then they have no one else blame but themselves because that's the first domino to fall with this core in terms of massive personnel decisions. He will walk if they suck and anyone with a brain wouldn't blame him in the slightest. That being said, they have the next 3 years to show him that this team can compete for a Cup and they arguably should be making deep runs relatively soon with slight tinkering + coach hire.



The 84 points for that 15-16 team was considered a massive success where as the 76 points currently is one of the biggest disappointments in the league, they don't compare at all. Also ignoring the fact one team got .920 goaltending v the .890 goaltending that this team got isn't fair either
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84 points with goaltending or 84 points without goaltending is still 84 points.

Once it's written in the books nobody cares about the how and why.
 
ZachaFlockaFlame said:
If they can't get out of their way and suck until Hischier reaches UFA then they have no one else blame but themselves because that's the first domino to fall with this core in terms of massive personnel decisions. He will walk if they suck and anyone with a brain wouldn't blame him in the slightest. That being said, they have the next 3 years to show him that this team can compete for a Cup and they arguably should be making deep runs relatively soon with slight tinkering + coach hire.



The 84 points for that 15-16 team was considered a massive success where as the 76 points currently is one of the biggest disappointments in the league, they don't compare at all. Also ignoring the fact one team got .920 goaltending v the .890 goaltending that this team got isn't fair either
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Nico will be a lifer. Team will be good by then anyways.
 
tailfins said:
Could he have made a better play? Maybe.

But the main fault belongs to the winger, not the D. The D can't just make magic occur. The winger should have been in front of Karlsson to help chip that puck out. Being 20 feet behind Karlsson is nuts.
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I'm so glad you are bringing this up...it happens so often... people don't see the partner that was nowhere to be found for an option or the forward that fled the zone way to early they just see the pass... Maybe in this particular instance Siegenthaler could've made a better play but this is happening nearly every shift.

Then they say it was Siegenthaler and the kids played well.
 
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JimEIV said:
The records are going to be almost identical. Shockingly similar.

2024 Record: 36-35-4 (76 points), 7th in NHL Metropolitan

2016 Record: 38-36-8 (84 points), Finished 7th in NHL Metropolitan
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how many points do you think this team would have if we got 58 games of .924 and 2.15 goaltending?
 
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devilsblood said:
I think the two extremes of the last 2 years leaves next year as very much a question mark.
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I suppose I view it differently, perhaps optimistically. We’ve seen what the core of this team is capable of when they are on and at full health. I believe Fitz has a good mind about what he wants the team to be and how to fill the missing areas.

The biggest question mark of this entire piece will center on the coach. I think that unknown is really what makes the future uncertain. But I think that this team’s nucleus is absolutely capable of being a great team for many years. The right person to lead them behind the bench? It’s an answer I don’t have.

SteveCangialosi123 said:
We’re back to square one. It’s just like this:

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There’s a large list of names I could have left out of my memory bank. :laugh:
 
Haula hasn’t looked appetizing at times because of how the team plays, he’s actually roughly the same player.

His 5v5 production is the same except for a drop in secondary assists which rely on luck a bit.
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His PP production is lower but he was never very good on the PP to begin with so the results are negligible.

He’s a flawed player, including being a penalty machine, but I feel like people might be overrating what Haula was last season.

I’m a little surprised his defensive metrics were this strong but there ya go.

His micro stats have taken some hits, as have his PK numbers, I’m not saying you have to love the 23-24 but he’s not a massive disappointment considering his contract.

The UFA center market is always brutal, it’s a tough position to improve.

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Better Call Sal said:
I suppose I view it differently, perhaps optimistically. We’ve seen what the core of this team is capable of when they are on and at full health. I believe Fitz has a good mind about what he wants the team to be and how to fill the missing areas.

The biggest question mark of this entire piece will center on the coach. I think that unknown is really what makes the future uncertain. But I think that this team’s nucleus is absolutely capable of being a great team for many years. The right person to lead them behind the bench? It’s an answer I don’t have.
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I'm optimistic too, but I came into this year near certain we would be a playoff team.

While I think they can get their shit together and be back in the playoffs next year I'm not near as confident.
 
devilsblood said:
I'm optimistic too, but I came into this year near certain we would be a playoff team.

While I think they can get their shit together and be back in the playoffs next year I'm not near as confident.
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And again, I don't think it can be understated enough how much injuries, goaltending and coaching failures were a detriment to the team. It was an absolute bizarre collection of misfortune, on top of poor play.
 
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Guttersniped said:
Haula hasn’t looked appetizing at times because of how the team plays, he’s actually roughly the same player.

His 5v5 production is the same except for a drop in secondary assists which rely on luck a bit.
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His PP production is lower but he was never very good on the PP to begin with so the results are negligible.

He’s a flawed player, including being a penalty machine, but I feel like people might be overrating what Haula was last season.

I’m a little surprised his defensive metrics were this strong but there ya go.

His micro stats have taken some hits, as have his PK numbers, I’m not saying you have to love the 23-24 but he’s not a massive disappointment considering his contract.

The UFA center market is always brutal, it’s a tough position to improve.

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I thought his contract was an overpayment, but I really don't see him as an issue.
 
Better Call Sal said:
And again, I don't think it can be understated enough how much injuries, goaltending and coaching failures were a detriment to the team. It was an absolute bizarre collection of misfortune, on top of poor play.
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Well part of my concern right now is Jack's ability to stay healthy.

Hamilton was a guy who was never hurt, but now has been hurt twice in 3 years. He turns 31 in June.
I also think we are team that teams want to play physical against.
 
NjDevsRR said:
Dougie being second in goals on our defense highlights the lack of production from the back end besides Luke. That also was a big part of our success
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Nemec will get his points more and more as he has very high offensive potential, but yeah, other than him, Luke and Dougie, offensively there isn't much on the back end.
 
NjDevsRR said:
Dougie being second in goals on our defense highlights the lack of production from the back end besides Luke. That also was a big part of our success
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He was also Siegenthaler's best partner, and there is a trickle down effect to the entire defense when you lose a player of his caliber. And yeah, they weren't exactly playing great to start the year before he got hurt, but losing him compounded the situation.
 
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