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Just reading that last sentence got me angry.
Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV
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Just reading that last sentence got me angry.
Call Me Al
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lol we had so many shitty excuses at one point or another for not making the playoffs before, i didn’t expect we’d add “can’t hold a lead in the third” to the pile so late in the season.
coaching, goaltending, giving up the first goal, spotty d coverage, injuries, inept power play…
coaching, goaltending, giving up the first goal, spotty d coverage, injuries, inept power play…
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Artem Shlaine - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Artem Shlaine, 2002-03-07 Moskva, RUS USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Arizona State Univ.. Complete player biography and stats.
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I dont know what the problem. He will not find NHL team to sign and play in NHL right from the start. There are tonns of opportunities to play center role in AHL. And even on NHL level this team is not equipped with center position.
Its a curse for winning two 1OA picks and drafting two good centers.
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The miraculous comeback from E-coli stemming from eating a used hamburger coming from a fan at Scotiabank Arena in 2017 is forever Masterson material!
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One of the greatest moments in the history of the sport.The miraculous comeback from E-coli stemming from eating a used hamburger coming from a fan at Scotiabank Arena in 2017 is forever Masterson material!
1. Canada - USSR series
2. Miracle on the ice
3. Lazar and hamburger
billingtons ghost
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It's because we never had leads to lose under Lindy.
Yes, we did. The Devils were 24-1-1 with a lead going into the 3rd period before the Buffalo game.
Artem Shlaine - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Artem Shlaine, 2002-03-07 Moskva, RUS USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Arizona State Univ.. Complete player biography and stats.
I dont know what the problem. He will not find NHL team to sign and play in NHL right from the start. There are tonns of opportunities to play center role in AHL. And even on NHL level this team is not equipped with center position.
Its a curse for winning two 1OA picks and drafting two good centers.
Could be the Devils' choice, Xavier Parent seems to occupy a similar niche on the Utica team right now. That said, while I don't think Shlaine will get an ELC, someone will definitely sign him to an AHL deal.
Devils731
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Artem Shlaine - Stats, Contract, Salary & More
Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Artem Shlaine, 2002-03-07 Moskva, RUS USA. Most recently in the NCAA with Arizona State Univ.. Complete player biography and stats.
I dont know what the problem. He will not find NHL team to sign and play in NHL right from the start. There are tonns of opportunities to play center role in AHL. And even on NHL level this team is not equipped with center position.
Its a curse for winning two 1OA picks and drafting two good centers.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Devils weren’t interested.
I’d rather take a shot with the free agent they just signed than Shlaine and there are only so many contract slots.
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Better than Green or Lindy IMO. Having NHL success and didn't get in the way of an uber talented Pens team to win a cup. Back to back finals appearances. Working with younger players in the AHL. Worth a consderation?
The 50 contract limit should not concern the Devils in the slightest over the next few years, we're past the wave of 2019. The Devils are only going to have a maximum of 4 guys from 2020 signed, they've signed 3 guys from 2021 and nobody else is really eligible this summer - it's going to take work to get to 45 contracts.
billingtons ghost
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Legitimate questions with absolutely no snark. I realize my 'stats are bad' posts are pointless and doesn't give credit to you for your really excellent work in trying to educate folks (including me) and for that I apologize.
I've been accused of holding a position that 'skill doesn't matter, goalies have no skill/impact, but I need to explain myself better. It's really the opposite and I think your Daccord/Grubauer contrast might help to illustrate.
I believe that both goalies and teams have varied skill sets. I would be interested if high danger, chance heat maps are available for each team.
Now very carefully here I want to make the statement that I don't want to see a map of what the global definition of high danger chance is and how many shots like that my team is taken..
What I want is: what constitutes high danger shot for the New Jersey Devils.
I would argue that with Jack Hughes and Hamilton taking a third of our shots in a game, then an actual high danger chance of them scoring differs greatly from what a high danger chance is with Chris Kreider or Alex Ovechkin on the ice. Our map from last year would show Dougie hot at the right point. Jack from literally ALL over the ice including behind the goalline...
Proximity to the net as a determiner can skew impressions wildly: the count of goals is high for net front because maybe 50% of the shots go off people's shin pads skates butts... And that's different from Chris Kreider scoring 50 by skillfully deflecting shots in from the side of the net.
Similarly, if a team is good at clearing the crease as you say, the Kraken are, a goaltender like Daccord (or Vitek) might not suffer there as they would with the team who can't clear the crease like a New Jersey Devils.
If we were really trying to put the team versus goalie impacts debate to death, we need a lot more information about how teams defend, and what shots are truly dangerous to that specific team as opposed to League wide, and similarly we would need the same for individual goalies, since they have different and varied skill sets, and we need them for individual shooters and teams defense to see what shots are actually dangerous and lead to goals for.
Jack Hughes has proven himself dangerous painting shots off goalie's heads from behind the goal line - You could try to scream outlier, but the truth is teams and goalies have noticeably changed their play because of this.
High danger chances League wide might display an out an outlier red area for a Ovechkin in the left circle above the dot, certainly the Caps chart would, as maybe 10- 15 goals a year come from that spot... Certainly the PP numbers would.
I'm just saying I find it hard to believe 'one size fits all' in making an analysis from this. I get it's 'the best we got' but that's damning with faint praise. More importantly, I think the situational aspects are much more important determining danger, as there's a world of difference
I have faith that if such charts exist in detail, you'd probably be the only one to find them.
I could blather on and on about Vegas having great shot blockers in Martinez and Pieterangelo changing life for their goalies, or are Bedard and zegras lacrosse goals high danger bc they score 100% of the times they are attempted or whether there's enough team level "off the rush" data for and against or "zone time preceding goals", inzone puck possession time preceding goals shows that we have a failure to clear the puck problem, failure to retrieve the puck, or an odd-man-rush-after-gaffe problem, or all....
I'm not anti stat. I'm anti weak stat. I'm pro more and better start.
Sorry for the long involved post.
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Right ...but they are winning games at the same rate...
Old broken down 32 or 33 year old goaltender that missed 2&1/2 months of the season with injuries had a measly .890something
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a 20-something fresh face that just assumed the starting role with great underlying numbers and a .918 sv%
Those two won games at the same rate on the same team.
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Oh f*** no.
I thought the days of him ever being talked about for another head coaching gig in the league were far over.
He sucks.
If Shero didn’t hire him when he was here I never thought he’d ever be head coach here.
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Guadana
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May be. But our center depth somewhere on the bottom of the sea. He could have a role in AHL. As you mentioned I dont think there is any team in NHL that will give him any opportunity in NHL now. So I dont understand why Devils are okay to let ~0.8 ppg(in his two last seasons) NCAA center go. Even with Parent in the roster.
is it worth bumping the Shlaine thread for news that he’s gonna wait out the deadline and turn UFA?
t.co
edit: i see it’s already been taken care of
Source: Devils Likely to Lose Drafted Prospect to Free Agency
The Devils selected forward Artem Shlaine in the fifth round of the 2020 NHL Draft.
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edit: i see it’s already been taken care of
HoliksGhost
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For sure, unable to close out games. Not getting 2 of those 3 is infuriating
Guadana
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We have huge problems with center position on any level. AHL level too. Shlaine was quite productive and played two way game. Even as bottom line center in AHL he could be useful. And even sign him on AHL deal would be a try and "not a waste of pick". Such a signing does not negate the possibility of additional signing of other players for the same position. This is an additional option to solve a problem that we have running on several levels.
Overall I have a question why there are some many players from NCAA are deciding to go UFA. Its a question for scouts and for managers in the same time.
Devils731
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I’m going to push back on Shlaine being productive, he really hasn’t been.
He’s 22 and never been a point a game player in college after going all 4 years. You can find bunches of guys with that kind of production.
The poster was smarmy to me, so I'll be smarmy back. He was acting as if I don't know what I'm talking about, trying to say that I actually hadn't consulted the numbers.
If someone argues in good faith respectfully, I'll respond in kind. If not, same thing.
Is that kinda assholish? Yeah it is.
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