Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

[Ripshot 43]

Nice video with zetterlund and holtz. English subtitles. Dont know if it have been posted before.

Crap, in my old age, I missed the memo that puffy jackets were back in style! The only puffy one I have left is my Devils Starter jacket from the 90s with the random “Fanny pack” like zipper pocket on the front. Still looks like new!

 

[glenwo2]

Those of you that want to keep everyone and acquire everyone are the ones who are so out of touch with how a GM operates. First to offer little first to suggest prospects are off the board etc etc

People want Meier without moving Holtz AND Sharangovich. Oh oh and we gotta pay Bratt 9m too. oh and then sign ten forward contracts this offseason all under the cap while still making outside upgrades. Dont forget we gotta resign Severson and Graves too, you know vets for Nemec and Hughes when they stink. Should also Look into moving dead weight like Wood Boqvist while adding outside talent but without picks and prospects

Yeah we get it, you are excited the Devils are finally good again. Except now is when you stop hoarding players and picks; or hey let Carolina get Meier, who cares right? We get to keep Sharangovich/Casey then!

Dude...calm down.

You're taking this way too personally.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Those of you that want to keep everyone and acquire everyone are the ones who are so out of touch with how a GM operates. First to offer little first to suggest prospects are off the board etc etc

People want Meier without moving Holtz AND Sharangovich. Oh oh and we gotta pay Bratt 9m too. oh and then sign ten forward contracts this offseason all under the cap while still making outside upgrades. Dont forget we gotta resign Severson and Graves too, you know vets for Nemec and Hughes when they stink. Should also Look into moving dead weight like Wood Boqvist while adding outside talent but without picks and prospects

Yeah we get it, you are excited the Devils are finally good again. Except now is when you stop hoarding players and picks; or hey let Carolina get Meier, who cares right? We get to keep Sharangovich/Casey then!

I have no idea what you're even talking about to be honest. I don't give a rats ass if Sharangovich is in the Meier trade tbh

and no, we don't need to "keep everyone". I would let Tatar, Haula, Severson, Wood, Blackwood, and probably Graves walk, and obviously Johnsson/Bernier as well

 

[Rybo]

Dude...calm down.

You're taking this way too personally.

I just get a kick out of fans who think they know best but really just want everything their way

Imagine suggesting (and it was just done by a normally loud poster here who pretends they are always right and are named after our captain) that you wont move Sharangovich and Holtz in the same deal for a first line 40g winger

Thats the shit I gotta read from some Devils fans. Same ones who post advanced stats and claim hockey prowess.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Jesper Bratt is a career 12.4% shooter and is shooting 15% this year. Timo is a career 10.4 % shooter and is shooting 12.3% this year. He is no sniper, he’s a bulk shooter. Why is he suddenly going to start scoring more with Jack, who shooting more than nearly anyone in the league?

If you say we don’t need what Bratt brings, you show you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. At all.

 

[glenwo2]

I just get a kick out of fans who think they know best but really just want everything their way

Imagine suggesting (and it was just done by a normally loud poster here who pretends they are always right and are named after our captain) that you wont move Sharangovich and Holtz in the same deal for a first line 40g winger

Thats the shit I gotta read from some Devils fans. Same ones who post advanced stats and claim hockey prowess.

Except that the "loud poster" said he doesn't give a s--t if they moved Sharangovich and Holtz in the same deal....

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I just get a kick out of fans who think they know best but really just want everything their way

Imagine suggesting (and it was just done by a normally loud poster here who pretends they are always right and are named after our captain) that you wont move Sharangovich and Holtz in the same deal for a first line 40g winger

Thats the shit I gotta read from some Devils fans. Same ones who post advanced stats and claim hockey prowess.

Advanced stats are based on what happens during the game on the ice. I am sorry that you either A) don't understand them or B) dislike them for whatever reason....but they are relevant, whether you choose to believe it or not.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Nice video with zetterlund and holtz. English subtitles. Dont know if it have been posted before.

I always like these kind of “everyday off the ice” type videos. It’s cool to see some personalities beyond the pre and post game interviews where every player is more or less kind of giving stock responses and cliches.

 

[Hisch13r]

Ah yes, comparing advanced stats of a guy on the third best team in the NHL today versus a guy on a team about to blow it up and rebuild. And even then barely any separation.

And if you cant see why paying Bratt the same as Meier is an issue than idk what to say other than google goals versus assists. Meier with Hughes will be a 40+ goal scorer who wed be paying a 17ATOI winger the same price to what, get more playmaking that we literally dont need?

Palat-Hughes-Meier
Tatar-Hischier-Mercer

Oh the horror! We lose a fast skating playmaking winger and replace them with a fast skating playmaking winger whod cost 4-6million less who paced for more in both his first two seasons (Mercer)... what ever shall we do!

The obsession by Devils fans over Bratt is clearly not seen the same way by Fitz or Bratt would be signed. His fair value is 8 and thats it, you can post all the advanced stats you want hes not better than Hughes or Hischier and im not paying my third best playmaker 9 million

Dawson Mercer is a better Jesper Bratt at 21. Were not paying Bratt 9m long term, so if you seriously believe that start getting your disappointment ready so it doesnt hurt as bad.

Everyone laugh at the funny clown

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Nobody has claimed Bratt is better than Hughes or Hischier. I am not really sure what that has to do with anything.

 

[Hisch13r]

Advanced stats are based on what happens during the game on the ice. I am sorry that you either A) don't understand them or B) dislike them for whatever reason....but they are relevant, whether you choose to believe it or not.

lol He also had the ptzzzzzz. He’s a PPG player

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I’d be fine giving both Bratt and Meier 8 times 8.5M or maybe even 9M max if that’s what it takes.

Also not completely against trading Severson for a good return. Get a first round pick and maybe more back that could even be used for a Meier trade. We’re still at an early point where it’s not a bad idea to just try maximize asset value to an extent. Rather than lose Severson for free. Big loss but Marino’s supposed to be healthy soon, Luke Hughes is probably coming soon and we could probably make a relatively cheap trade for a rental 6th/7th RD.
Honestly fine either way. Probably unlikely that we do actually trade him before a playoff run.

 

[Hisch13r]

Nobody has claimed Bratt is better than Hughes or Hischier. I am not really sure what that has to do with anything.

Jack obviously not. Nico on the other hand…. There’s a conversation to be had

 

[Rybo]

what...is this lol

talk about being out to lunch. Come on.

Jesper Bratt is one of the better wingers in the entire league. This teardown of him by some posters is absurd.

So Mercer has no chance of ever being as good? Just writing him off already then cause Bratt exists?

Sure lets pay Bratt 9 instead of Mercer 5 to do the same job. Thatll keep our cap open for out future contention Im sure

In two years a team consisting of Jack Hughes, Luke Hughes, Simon Nemec, Nico Hischier, Dawson Mercer, Dougie Hamilton, Ondrej Palat, and possibly Timo Meier... and thats strictly top-6/4 talent... that team seriously needs to spend 9m on a 5' 10" playmaking winger who cant score nor get to the net?

If Jesper Bratt was a Ranger absolutely nobody here would think hes worth nine million. Youre just in your feels because Bratt was one of only two guys withNico who gave us hope

 

[Hisch13r]

I’d be fine giving both Bratt and Meier 8 times 8.5M or maybe even 9M max if that’s what it takes.

Also not completely against trading Severson for a good return. Get a first round pick and maybe more back that could even be used for a Meier trade. We’re still at an early point where it’s not a bad idea to just try maximize asset value to an extent. Rather than lose Severson for free. Big loss but Marino’s supposed to be healthy soon, Luke Hughes is probably coming soon and we could probably make a relatively cheap trade for a rental 6th/7th RD.
Honestly fine either way. Probably unlikely that we do actually trade him before a playoff run.

I’m against moving Sevo. The team is much better with him. He’d be a big loss for a contender. Bite the bullet. Also IIRC it was said Marino’s injury is similar to Norris. I’m against moving Sevo to begin with and definitely with that risk factor.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Crap, in my old age, I missed the memo that puffy jackets were back in style! The only puffy one I have left is my Devils Starter jacket from the 90s with the random “Fanny pack” like zipper pocket on the front. Still looks like new!

Those Starter jackets have been back for a while. I used to work with an older guy who would wear a pretty sick dark green New York Jets one…it always made me laugh because he obviously wasn’t wearing it because he knew it was back in style, he was just wearing it‘s been his jacket for 30 years

 

[Rybo]

Nobody has claimed Bratt is better than Hughes or Hischier. I am not really sure what that has to do with anything.

So then why do you want your third best forward (soon to be fourth best when
Meier shows up) paid 9m?

Or do we just not care about having a bottom-6? I mean hey, Toronto seems content with their playoff births

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

So Mercer has no chance of ever being as good? Just writing him off already then cause Bratt exists?

Sure lets pay Bratt 9 instead of Mercer 5 to do the same job. Thatll keep our cap open for out future contention Im sure

In two years a team consisting of Jack Hughes, Luke Hughes, Simon Nemec, Nico Hischier, Dawson Mercer, Dougie Hamilton, Ondrej Palat, and possibly Timo Meier... and thats strictly top-6/4 talent... that team seriously needs to spend 9m on a 5' 10" playmaking winger who cant score nor get to the net?

If Jesper Bratt was a Ranger absolutely nobody here would think hes worth nine million. Youre just in your feels because Bratt was one of only two guys withNico who gave us hope

dude WHAT does Dawson Mercer have to do with Bratt, like at all? Mercer is in the 2nd year of his ELC and won't need a new contract until even after NEXT season? I am not sure what your point is comparing the two players.

and yes, I am fairly confident in saying that Dawson Mercer will never become a top ~20 winger in the entire NHL

Bratt "can't score" now? The guy that had 26 last year and will threaten 30 this year? The guy thats a 12.4% shooter? That guy?

 

[Guttersniped]

Those of you that want to keep everyone and acquire everyone are the ones who are so out of touch with how a GM operates. First to offer little first to suggest prospects are off the board etc etc

People want Meier without moving Holtz AND Sharangovich. Oh oh and we gotta pay Bratt 9m too. oh and then sign ten forward contracts this offseason all under the cap while still making outside upgrades. Dont forget we gotta resign Severson and Graves too, you know vets for Nemec and Hughes when they stink. Should also Look into moving dead weight like Wood Boqvist while adding outside talent but without picks and prospects

Yeah we get it, you are excited the Devils are finally good again. Except now is when you stop hoarding players and picks; or hey let Carolina get Meier, who cares right? We get to keep Sharangovich/Casey then!

“People want Meier without moving Holtz AND Sharangovich“

Who are you even debating with here? I don’t see a single person vetoing the trade over including those particular players. Someone may “want” that but people can “want” that while eagerly hoping/awaiting the trade.

The only players I’ve seen labeled as no go are Luke, Nemec and Mercer.

You definitively very brave here to include these other players in your fantasy trade with more enthusiasm than other posters.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

So then why do you want your third best forward (soon to be fourth best when
Meier shows up) paid 9m?

Or do we just not care about having a bottom-6? I mean hey, Toronto seems content with their playoff births

We can sign both Bratt and Meier longterm for ~$8.5 and be totally fine against the cap. Look how much money is coming off the books in (mostly) inconsequential players this summer. The Devils are set up extremely well on the cap.

Haula
Tatar
Blackwood
Wood
Johnsson
Bernier

all off the books.

 

[Triumph]

what...is this lol

talk about being out to lunch. Come on.

Jesper Bratt is one of the better wingers in the entire league. This teardown of him by some posters is absurd.

This guy called Bratt a third liner as recently as the beginning of last season.

 

[Rybo]

We can sign both Bratt and Meier longterm for ~$8.5 and be totally fine against the cap. Look how much money is coming off the books in (mostly) inconsequential players this summer. The Devils are set up extremely well on the cap.

Haula
Tatar
Blackwood
Wood
Johnsson
Bernier

all off the books.

And who are you replacing them with? Were just gonna magically find a 3C and 2/3LW cheap who are great fits? We have to pay other guys too

Keep Bratt idc but paying him the same as Meier is just setting the team up for failure. Bratt isnt a clutch player nor is he carrying a line; hes a great playmaker whos been in the best possible situation maybe in the league for him. The moment Meier shows up Bratts usage on the PP and ES will drop and he will no longer be a PPG player

So yes Im against paying a guy who wont be a PPG yearly guy 8.5-9m a year. Contenders are strong teams I dont need FIVE players capable of PPG making PPG money. Its not how you build a contender salary-wise

 

[Captain3rdLine]

So then why do you want your third best forward (soon to be fourth best when
Meier shows up) paid 9m?

Or do we just not care about having a bottom-6? I mean hey, Toronto seems content with their playoff births

The Toronto example is always hilarious. Like they’ve been one of the best teams in the league for a while now and their playoff struggles are not because they’re paying their best players. Those players are the reason they’re as good as they are and they even come nearly as close as they have to doing something they haven’t done in decades.

Plus they’re paying their 4 best forwards about 40M. We’re talking worst case about paying our 4 best about 33M. 9M is a lot for both Bratt and Meier but it really not a big issue and they’re both elite wingers that we should absolutely keep around if possible (if we were to trade for Meier).

 

[The Devil In I]

Ah yes, comparing advanced stats of a guy on the third best team in the NHL today versus a guy on a team about to blow it up and rebuild. And even then barely any separation.

And if you cant see why paying Bratt the same as Meier is an issue than idk what to say other than google goals versus assists. Meier with Hughes will be a 40+ goal scorer who wed be paying a 17ATOI winger the same price to what, get more playmaking that we literally dont need?

Palat-Hughes-Meier
Tatar-Hischier-Mercer

Oh the horror! We lose a fast skating playmaking winger and replace them with a fast skating playmaking winger whod cost 4-6million less who paced for more in both his first two seasons (Mercer)... what ever shall we do!

The obsession by Devils fans over Bratt is clearly not seen the same way by Fitz or Bratt would be signed. His fair value is 8 and thats it, you can post all the advanced stats you want hes not better than Hughes or Hischier and im not paying my third best playmaker 9 million

Dawson Mercer is a better Jesper Bratt at 21. Were not paying Bratt 9m long term, so if you seriously believe that start getting your disappointment ready so it doesnt hurt as bad.

In the same post you complained about comparing a guy on a very good team to a guy on a very bad team....and then compared Bratt from our 19-20 team to Mercer of this year.

 

[theoptimist]

Boqvist and Tatar's Breitling better be here