Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part IV

[Hisch13r]

The meltdown this board would have after manifesting Timo time for a month and then Fitz getting Brock Boeser lol.

It would be so so so bad. He should sit on his hands and do nothing rather than get Brock f***ing Boeser

 

[jkrdevil]

anyone comparing Hughes signing his contract at 20 and Bratt signing his next contract at 24 just have no understanding of how things work

"TAKE A PAY CUT OR ELSE!!!" is bullshit.

Yes. However, I do think there is a risk upsetting the apple cart with Jack if you pay Bratt too much more. You don’t want your star to end up becoming resentful.

The peak on Jack’s contract is $8.5 million. Dougie already makes $9 million. It think that may be the limit on what they are willing to pay Bratt.

 

[Triumph]

It's funny you chose the Ranger game

Down 3-1 after two periods outshooting the Rangers 33 to 22..you can easily make the argument we won despite goaltending.

3-1 after 40 minutes on 22 shots is "goaltending keeping them within range*? That's just more nonsense.

How many times did the Devils have a worse save percentage through two periods last year? It's just not a debate, and this goaltending doesn't matter stuff is beyond asinine when you consider the history of the franchise.

 

[glenwo2]

Yes. However, I do think there is a risk upsetting the apple cart with Jack if you pay Bratt too much more. You don’t want your star to end up becoming resentful.

The peak on Jack’s contract is $8.5 million. Dougie already makes $9 million. It think that may be the limit on what they are willing to pay Bratt.

If they are so concerned with Optics (which is a dumb way to do business, imo), then give Bratt 8.4 per.

 

[Hisch13r]

Yes. However, I do think there is a risk upsetting the apple cart with Jack if you pay Bratt too much more. You don’t want your star to end up becoming resentful.

The peak on Jack’s contract is $8.5 million. Dougie already makes $9 million. It think that may be the limit on what they are willing to pay Bratt.

I think the fans care about this more than Jack would. If Jack really wanted to maximize his value he wouldn’t have did what he did. If he wants to win as well then he’ll realize you’ll need to pay elite wingers their worth and it’s more than he’s making

 

[Devs3cups]

Yes. However, I do think there is a risk upsetting the apple cart with Jack if you pay Bratt too much more. You don’t want your star to end up becoming resentful.

The peak on Jack’s contract is $8.5 million. Dougie already makes $9 million. It think that may be the limit on what they are willing to pay Bratt.

If Jack was so concerned about being the most paid guy on the team cause he knew he’d be the #1 guy, he wouldn’t have signed at 8M when Dougie signed a few months earlier at 9M.

 

[severian]

The leading/trailing thing is just a red herring, especially after we've just had three games in the last three weeks coming from two goals down and another couple of games with game-tying goals on empty nets. We played from ahead plenty of games we lost last year, we've played from behind plenty of games we won this year.

Again the bottom line is:

Offense scores 0.5 goals per game more
Defense/goaltending give up 1.0 goals per game fewer

Both have improved but one's clearly improved more and it isn't the offense. Of course there was more room for improvement on the D/goaltending side anyway.

.881 team save percentage last season. .906 this season. It really isn’t rocket science to figure out why the Devils look like a different in under 1 year.

 

[Hisch13r]

If Jack was so concerned about being the most paid guy on the team cause he knew he’d be the #1 guy, he wouldn’t have signed at 8M when Dougie signed a few months earlier at 9M.

Jack also can’t be mad that a guy coming off back to back PPG years makes more than him when his best season was 31 pts in 56 games. Jack signed for way more than he had currently proven because of potential. You can’t do that and then get mad at a guy for getting paid market value

 

[Devs3cups]

Jack also can’t be mad that a guy coming off back to back PPG years makes more than him when his best season was 31 pts in 56 games. Jack signed for way more than he had currently proven because of potential. You can’t do that and then get mad at a guy for getting paid market value

It’s, quite frankly, a non-issue. Different contract, different year, different situation. Apples to oranges.

Jack also seems like a guy who cares more about winning and giving the team every single opportunity to be good. His contract proves that. He could’ve taken a bridge deal.

 

[Hisch13r]

It’s, quite frankly, a non-issue. Different contract, different year, different situation. Apples to oranges.

Jack also seems like a guy who cares more about winning and giving the team every single opportunity to be good. His contract proves that. He could’ve taken a bridge deal.

Honestly didn’t even need a bridge deal. He could’ve just waited until he played out his ELC rather than signing an extension beforehand. I do wonder how much of his decision was influenced by the shoulder injury.

 

[Devs3cups]

Honestly didn’t even need a bridge deal. He could’ve just waited until he played out his ELC rather than signing an extension beforehand. I do wonder how much of his decision was influenced by the shoulder injury.

I think Luke coming along played a part, honestly.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Original source is Pagnotta, so take it for what it's worth

Fitz needs to block Allvin’s number. I don’t want their crap.

 

[Hisch13r]

This makes me feel better about the whole situation. Fitz wasn’t offering more around Nico. Bratt knew his worth and Fitz needed to see him do it again. Well he did it again and proved his worth. Give him his money. 8.5ish over 7 or 8 makes sense. If it needs to be a bit more then so be it

 

[Devs3cups]

At this point, there’s too much smoke to us landing Meier for it not to be a very high possibility. I honestly feel like it’s happening.

 

[Devs3cups]

This makes me feel better about the whole situation. Fitz wasn’t offering more around Nico. Bratt knew his worth and Fitz needed to see him do it again. Well he did it again and proved his worth. Give him his money. 8.5ish over 7 or 8 makes sense. If it needs to be a bit more then so be it

Yeah, a lot of us were saying Fitz needed to see more than 1 PPG year to pay 8+. Now that he’s seeing it, I don’t doubt a deal gets done.

 

[Hisch13r]

Yeah, a lot of us were seeing Fitz needed to see more than 1 PPG year to pay 8+. Now that he’s seeing it, I don’t doubt a deal gets done.

Yeah I figured he needed to see more but I originally thought he was offering more in the 7ish mil range. Hearing this makes it sound like he was already offering Fiala type money at 7.875.

 

[Unknown Caller]

At this point, there’s too much smoke to us landing Meier for it not to be a very high possibility. I honestly feel like it’s happening.

It’s far from certain. NRD who is very good with this stuff said that talks haven’t really moved on Meier yet, it’s just preliminary kicking tires. He also confirmed the Devils have checked in on Horvat and Kane, but talks haven’t progressed anywhere yet. This place is going to meltdown when Buffalo gets Meier.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Bratt’s agent

 

[Hisch13r]

It’s far from certain. NRD who is very good with this stuff said that talks haven’t really moved on Meier yet, it’s just preliminary kicking tires. He also confirmed the Devils have checked in on Horvat and Kane, but talks haven’t progressed anywhere yet. This place is going to meltdown when Buffalo gets Meier.

“It’s far from certain”

“When Buffalo gets Meier”

 

[Killing Joke]

 

[JimEIV]

How many times did the Devils have a worse save percentage through two periods last year? It's just not a debate, and this goaltending doesn't matter stuff is beyond asinine when you consider the history of the franchise.

History of the franchise? You think an era of 2.62 Goals per game is in anyway comparable to a league with 3.15 goals per game? 249 goals for led the Eastern Conference in 2002, it's not even NHL average (255) today.

Goalies had to give up less than 2&1/2 then. Binnington has 18 wins in 38 starts giving up 3.28 goals per game....that would've been impossible 15 years ago...hell 10 years ago too. It's not remotely close.

Edit: Jack Campbell is even worse. 15 wins in 23 starts with a 3.34 GAA...the guy is winning 65% of his starts giving up 3.34...that's a joke.... that's like 1980's stuff

 

[Devs3cups]

It’s far from certain. NRD who is very good with this stuff said that talks haven’t really moved on Meier yet, it’s just preliminary kicking tires. He also confirmed the Devils have checked in on Horvat and Kane, but no talks have progressed anywhere yet. This place is going to meltdown when Buffalo gets Meier.

Nothing is certain. Signs are pointing to it being a very high possibility, whether that is because of Fitz’s words, Friedman and other insiders, etc. I’m not saying it’s a sure thing. I’m saying that it looks like a very strong possibility and that I personally feel it’ll end up happening.

Could very well not happen and if that’s the case it is what it is and we move on.

 

[glenwo2]

Bratt needs to do this to Persson :

 

[Unknown Caller]

“It’s far from certain”

“When Buffalo gets Meier”

The “when Buffalo gets Meier” part was partially a joke, but they will be a tough team to outbid. It’s just getting out of hand how many people think were favorites when talks haven’t even heated up yet. The Devils are interested, and that’s about as far as it’s gotten. So is Buffalo. So are the Rangers (but they have cap considerations).

 

[Hisch13r]

Bratt needs to do this to Persson :

Uhhh why? Bratt should give him a raise.