Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[RangerDoggo]

Why uneasy? That kid is an incredible package of size and skill.

Skating.

 

[Triumph]

This would never happen, but I wonder about trading #2OA to the Rangers for Laf.

Personally, if I’m Fitz, I pull the trigger on that.

I would not do this even if Laf played for the Kraken. He's already wasted two of his ELC years and he might not even be good enough to sign anything besides a bridge deal on his next contract. Might do 2 for Laf and Lundkvist, but just straight up? No way. I think Lafrienere will be a real solid player, but not 'giving up a 2nd overall' for him.

 

[Oneiro]

Beyond Zacha and Johnsson, you're going to have to package some of these young guys pretty soon. Zetterlund, Foote, Thompson, Clarke, Stillman, let alone anyone else who hits.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Beyond Zacha and Johnsson, you're going to have to package some of these young guys pretty soon. Zetterlund, Foote, Thompson, Clarke, Stillman, let alone anyone else who hits.

Good problem to have.

 

[tailfins]

Why uneasy? That kid is an incredible package of size and skill.

But no production.

I understand there’s context.

But, at what point does context = excuse?

Personally, I think the Devils need a double or a triple out of this, they don’t need to hit a home run. I’d trade the pick for a solid high end prospect with limited bust potential (but also limited superstar potential). E.g., Laf, Kakko. I need to spend more time with other teams prospects to identify realistic candidates - but you get the point.

The lack of production from Slaf, to me, is too much of a red flag.

 

[Devil X]

Skating.

Big forwards generally arent great skaters. While its something he needs to work on he is not terrible at it. He cant have a bunch of short small forwards. So we will have to sacrifice some speed to had a guy like Slaf. Beside we should have plenty of speed with our forwards to make up for whatever issues you believe he brings.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

But no production.

I understand there’s context.

But, at what point does context = excuse?

Personally, I think the Devils need a double or a triple out of this, they don’t need to hit a home run. I’d trade the pick for a solid high end prospect with limited bust potential (but also limited superstar potential). E.g., Laf, Kakko. I need to spend more time with other teams prospects to identify realistic candidates - but you get the point.

The lack of production from Slaf, to me, is too much of a red flag.

It isn’t no production. His production has been much better since he’s actually gotten some opportunity. Context is so important. He wasn’t getting much opportunity but still showed his skillset and looked good. He had a huge Olympics, and then also starts getting more opportunity with his team and he started producing.

 

[Triumph]

But no production.

I understand there’s context.

But, at what point does context = excuse?

Personally, I think the Devils need a double or a triple out of this, they don’t need to hit a home run. I’d trade the pick for a solid high end prospect with limited bust potential (but also limited superstar potential). E.g., Laf, Kakko. I need to spend more time with other teams prospects to identify realistic candidates - but you get the point.

The lack of production from Slaf, to me, is too much of a red flag.

So you are concerned about lack of production out of Slafkovsky and instead you want Lafrienere or Kakko.

Kakko can be signed to an offer sheet. Would much rather attempt that than trade for him.

 

[glenwo2]

So you are concerned about lack of production out of Slafkovsky and instead you want Lafrienere or Kakko.

Kakko can be signed to an offer sheet. Would much rather attempt that than trade for him.

Don't offer sheets involve giving up multiple first-rounders for a player or am I misunderstanding how it works?

 

[Oneiro]

Don't offer sheets involve giving up multiple first-rounders for a player or am I misunderstanding how it works?

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You could offer sheet Kakko (or Puljujaarvi) at 4.1M and only give up a 2nd. I think the Rangers/Oilers would match though.

 

[glenwo2]

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You could offer sheet Kakko at 4.1M and only give up a 2nd. I think the Rangers would match though.

Yeah.... In that hypothetical scenario, I doubt the Rags let the Devils one-up them here, though it's a funny thought if the Devils called their bluff...and the Devils ended up with both Hughes *and* Kakko in the end. lol.

But that scenario, of course, is as likely as Gillies winning the Vezina.

 

[Emperoreddy]

But no production.

I understand there’s context.

But, at what point does context = excuse?

Personally, I think the Devils need a double or a triple out of this, they don’t need to hit a home run. I’d trade the pick for a solid high end prospect with limited bust potential (but also limited superstar potential). E.g., Laf, Kakko. I need to spend more time with other teams prospects to identify realistic candidates - but you get the point.

The lack of production from Slaf, to me, is too much of a red flag.

You just listed two kids in the NHL who lack production, which is confusing.

 

[JimEIV]

But no production.

I understand there’s context.

But, at what point does context = excuse?

Personally, I think the Devils need a double or a triple out of this, they don’t need to hit a home run. I’d trade the pick for a solid high end prospect with limited bust potential (but also limited superstar potential). E.g., Laf, Kakko. I need to spend more time with other teams prospects to identify realistic candidates - but you get the point.

The lack of production from Slaf, to me, is too much of a red flag.

I won't dismiss that in any way...It is a valid concern.

To your point of context, as I understand it he was a 3rd liner this season. Without making excuses, what would you expect any 3rd liner to produce on team that has a leading scorer of 39 points in 56 games?

If your team leader is .696 PPG is .322 PPG from a 3rd liner out of line? I don't think so?

 

[FooteBahl]

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You could offer sheet Kakko (or Puljujaarvi) at 4.1M and only give up a 2nd. I think the Rangers/Oilers would match though.

That’s not a battle I want to start…we’re going to have a hard time paying all of these blue-chippers down the road.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

An all too early look at our dream offseason! Here it goes

1. HIRE: Barry Trotz as Head Coach. Mitch Corn as goalie coach. Let Trotz decide his assistant coaches.
2. TRADE: Alex Holtz + Pavel Zacha to Minnesota for Kevin Fiala + 2022 3rd round pick.
3. TRADE: The 2nd overall pick to Florida for goaltender Spencer Knight + rights to Mason Marchment. If Florida declines, draft one of Slafkovsky, Cooley, Jiricek, or Nemec. (At this juncture, I do not have a preference)
4. TRADE: Tomas Tatar or Andreas Johnsson and Janne Kuokkanen anywhere.
5. RE-SIGN: Jesper Bratt - 6 years, 6.85 million AAV.
6. RE-SIGN: Wood, Boqvist, Zetterlund to new contracts.
7. RE-SIGN: Damon Severson to a contract extension - 5 years, 5.5 million AAV.
8. SIGN: Kevin Fiala - 6/7/8 years, 7.25-7.75 million AAV.
9. SIGN: Mason Marchment - 3 years, 3-3.5 million AAV.
10. SIGN: Valeri Nichuskin - 5/6 years, 4.5-5.25 million AAV.
11. SIGN: Veteran RHD to a 1 year contract.
12. ACQUIRE: A goaltender if Spencer Knight is not attainable.

Your 2022-23 New Jersey Devils

HC: Barry Trotz

Sharangovich - Hughes - Nichushkin
Fiala - Hischier - Bratt
Marchment - Mercer - Tatar/Johnsson
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
x: Boqvist, Zetterlund

Graves - Hamilton
Siegenthaler - Severson
Smith - Veteran RHD
x: Bahl/Okhotiuk

Blackwood
Knight/other
x: Daws/Bernier?


I numbered each offseason transaction so let me know your thoughts on each number!

 

[BHawk21]

Debrincat for Holtz and 2nd overall

 

[Oneiro]

Debrincat for Holtz and 2nd overall

No. Go away.

 

[Nubmer6]

Yeah.... In that hypothetical scenario, I doubt the Rags let the Devils one-up them here, though it's a funny thought if the Devils called their bluff...and the Devils ended up with both Hughes *and* Kakko in the end. lol.

Why not get Nolan Patrick while we're at it?

 

[BHawk21]

No. Go away.

Debrincat for Holtz and 2nd overall

 

[FooteBahl]

Debrincat for Holtz and 2nd overall

Go home. You’re drunk, sir.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Debrincat for Holtz and 2nd overall

No.

But would be willing to do 2nd overall + something average (Zacha?) for DeBrincat

Or would be willing to put together a package based around Holtz and Ty Smith for DeBrincat.

 

[Unknown Caller]

An all too early look at our dream offseason! Here it goes

1. HIRE: Barry Trotz as Head Coach. Mitch Corn as goalie coach. Let Trotz decide his assistant coaches.
2. TRADE: Alex Holtz + Pavel Zacha to Minnesota for Kevin Fiala + 2022 3rd round pick.
3. TRADE: The 2nd overall pick to Florida for goaltender Spencer Knight + rights to Mason Marchment. If Florida declines, draft one of Slafkovsky, Cooley, Jiricek, or Nemec. (At this juncture, I do not have a preference)
4. TRADE: Tomas Tatar or Andreas Johnsson and Janne Kuokkanen anywhere.
5. RE-SIGN: Jesper Bratt - 6 years, 6.85 million AAV.
6. RE-SIGN: Wood, Boqvist, Zetterlund to new contracts.
7. RE-SIGN: Damon Severson to a contract extension - 5 years, 5.5 million AAV.
8. SIGN: Kevin Fiala - 6/7/8 years, 7.25-7.75 million AAV.
9. SIGN: Mason Marchment - 3 years, 3-3.5 million AAV.
10. SIGN: Valeri Nichuskin - 5/6 years, 4.5-5.25 million AAV.
11. SIGN: Veteran RHD to a 1 year contract.
12. ACQUIRE: A goaltender if Spencer Knight is not attainable.

Your 2022-23 New Jersey Devils

HC: Barry Trotz

Sharangovich - Hughes - Nichushkin
Fiala - Hischier - Bratt
Marchment - Mercer - Tatar/Johnsson
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
x: Boqvist, Zetterlund

Graves - Hamilton
Siegenthaler - Severson
Smith - Veteran RHD
x: Bahl/Okhotiuk

Blackwood
Knight/other
x: Daws/Bernier?


I numbered each offseason transaction so let me know your thoughts on each number!

It would take the worst GM in the history of sports to trade the second overall pick for Spencer Knight and the rights to Mason Marchment.

 

[FooteBahl]

It would take the worst GM in the history of sports to trade the second overall pick for Spencer Knight and the rights to Mason Marchment.

Yeah that would make the Taylor Hall trade look fair

 

[My3Sons]

Debrincat for Holtz and 2nd overall

Holtz and Zacha for Dach, prospects Regula and Soderblom, and Chicago's first rounder in the next draft.

 

[Darkauron]

Trading Holtz is just not a good idea. He is our best forward prospect and will be a goal scoring machine for us.