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glenwo2

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I would probably still take Boudreau over Trotz.

Absolutely and it isn't even close.
Oh there is no "probably" here.

I'd definitely prefer him but he's not the one who is available right now and may not be available in the end.

It's time to stop with the Players-Coach and the First-time-Coach-getting-his-feet-wet-in-the-NHL BS.

Let's get someone who has gotten teams to the Playoffs which is where we want to be.

This whole theory that it won't work is just like the Ruff-not-being-fired viewpoint : Pure speculation.
 

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Fitz better at least inquire at this point..

I mean...it seems that many here are speculating that Ruff isn't getting fired.

Based on what exactly? The silence?

What if Fitz was waiting just for something like THIS to happen?

Maybe Fitz is going to go hard after Trotz and if he can get him here, THEN Ruff is history as Head Coach (and maybe he has some sort of agreement with him to put him elsewhere in the organization or something).
Based on the fact that he fired the assistant coaches m and then said they are partners and are going to work together to figure this out basically. That would make it seem much more likely that he’s not gonna be fired.

This post is just a lot of maybe speculation because that’s what you’re hoping. How many head coaches get moved into a different spot in the organization rather than fired or let go? Just isn’t something that happens but people seem to have come up with that just to have a little more hope that Ruff won’t be the head coach when the reality is the signs so far have pointed to him probably coming back as the head coach.
 

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Our goalies sucked, we didnt really have a system for the players, our coaches sucked, and our special teams sucked. Trotz is just not a good fit for the team, and we have a lot of problems to overcome.

Also Fitz all but confirmed that Ruff is staying sooooo..its moot at this point
 

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I'll take that if it means winning games & getting to the playoffs. If Fitz doesn't jump on this I lose all faith in this organization. One of the best coaches is available we would be straight up dumb to not go after him.
This is dumb. It’s not even close to this simple. Here’s the problem. It doesn’t necessarily mean winning games. If the coach is a bad fit for the style of players that we have we probably won’t win games and it might very well neuter Jack. Worst of both worlds.

Maybe it could work but everything should be taken into consideration and that’s for Fitz and the organization to decide (not just jump all over)
 

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Based on the fact that he fired the assistant coaches m and then said they are partners and are going to work together to figure this out basically. That would make it seem much more likely that he’s not gonna be fired.

This post is just a lot of maybe speculation because that’s what you’re hoping. How many head coaches get moved into a different spot in the organization rather than fired or let go? Just isn’t something that happens but people seem to have come up with that just to have a little more hope that Ruff won’t be the head coach when the reality is the signs so far have pointed to him probably coming back as the head coach.
How many Head Coaches get moved into ASSISTANT COACH rather than fired or let go? Just isn't something that happ....OH!

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That was a first.

What's another, right?

Fitz has always been an outside-the-box thinker, ya know? lol

Our goalies sucked, we didnt really have a system for the players, our coaches sucked, and our special teams sucked. Trotz is just not a good fit for the team, and we have a lot of problems to overcome.

Also Fitz all but confirmed that Ruff is staying sooooo..its moot at this point
Until he actually states it, I don't believe Ruff's staying.
 

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The same thing can be said about literally every coach. Nobody is guaranteed success anywhere they go.
Oh I know that. He was just talking like hiring Trotz guarentees that we become a winning team.

How many Head Coaches get moved into ASSISTANT COACH rather than fired or let go? Just isn't something that happ....OH!

alain-nasreddine-getty-120319-ftr_126q48slkql491l67on48mrj6s.jpg


That was a first.

What's another, right?

Fitz has always been an outside-the-box thinker, ya know? lol


Until he actually states it, I don't believe Ruff's staying.
Ummm he was an interim head coach. That happens. He filled in when the head coach was let go and then went back to being an assistant when they hired a new head coach. Sure that has happened a lot of times before.
 

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So a team full of north south and bigger players? I’m not saying he can’t coach the Devils but like some will say Torts wouldn’t be a good fit I’m curious if Trotz would have fit issues? Has he ever coached a small soft offensively oriented team? Obviously NJ needs to play better defensively and he has credentials for that. If NJ comes calling hopefully he is adaptable.
Are Backstrom, Connolly, Kuznetsov, Burakovsky, Eller and Vrana really north-south players? They're all 6 foot plus, but they're not really grinder, grit types. Typically, these are the kind of players who would be labelled as "soft" (see Tatar on the Devils - though yes I know Tatar is shorter and smaller).

I think Trotz could work here...but NOBODY would like the results.

Trotz has been running virtually the same program for 23 years...I don't think a coach with his experience and history "changes".
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Did that really happen? I thought most people laughed at the contracts they were throwing around. P

Yes, go check pretty much every thread from the end of the regular season last year through the conference finals. Lou and the Islanders being almost universally praised and the Devils being ripped for their roster construction.
 

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I think Trotz could work here...but NOBODY would like the results.

Trotz has been running virtually the same program for 23 years...I don't think a coach with his experience and history "changes".
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He's probably the worst GM in hockey at this point. Yet as recently as last May, 75% of this board wanted us to mimic the Islanders and were salivating over their "roster construction". It was so incredibly apparent that the team was going to tank even with them in the conference finals.
I think people wanted their culture and structure more than their actual roster construction. Lou is basically latter day Al Davis at this point, forces shitty moves because they’re a caricature of all the stuff he used to do that worked in a different era with different context.
 

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I think Trotz could work here...but NOBODY would like the results.

Trotz has been running virtually the same program for 23 years...I don't think a coach with his experience and history "changes".
If the results are more wins and better defensively , i would be pleased with that.

No excuses for Fitz to not look at replacing Ruff. Frankly he isn't doing his job properly if he doesn't inquire. Trotz is a significant upgrade.
 

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Oh I know that. He was just talking like hiring Trotz guarentees that we become a winning team.


Ummm he was an interim head coach. That happens. He filled in when the head coach was let go and then went back to being an assistant when they hired a new head coach. Sure that has happened a lot of times before.
Lemaire resigned with the Devils and stayed on as an advisor:


People get moved to other roles all the time.

Btw, seems Trotz and Ruff are friends. Not sure how that could affect anything

 

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It’s all a pipe dream anyway. You don’t go from firing the assistants, pointedly retaining your HC, to firing them the next week because another guy became available. That screams panic.

I don’t want Trotz regardless. Don’t think he fits with either our style of players or our youth.
 

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It’s all a pipe dream anyway. You don’t go from firing the assistants, pointedly retaining your HC, to firing them the next week because another guy became available. That screams panic.

I don’t want Trotz regardless. Don’t think he fits with either our style of players or our youth.
Both Ruff and Fitz were oddly specific to not say Ruff was retained as head coach but that they were partners moving forward.

I don’t think Ruff’s role for next year is set in stone.
 

Better Call Sal

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It’s all a pipe dream anyway. You don’t go from firing the assistants, pointedly retaining your HC, to firing them the next week because another guy became available. That screams panic.

I don’t want Trotz regardless. Don’t think he fits with either our style of players or our youth.

I don't think it screams panic if there was a candidate that became available that might be a better fit for what you want going forward, especially if there was no indication he'd be available as there seemed to be here.

That said, whether he's a fit or not, I'd be surprised if we were viewed as an option for Trotz at all to begin with. He'll have his pick of the litter just as he did last time, he's going to be sought after by almost everyone with an open HC position.
 
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I don't think it screams panic if there was a candidate that became available that might be a better fit for what you want going forward, especially if there was no indication he'd be available as there seemed to be here.

That said, whether he's a fit or not, I'd be surprised if we were viewed as an option for Trotz at all to begin with. He'll have his pick of the litter just as he did last time, he's going to be sought after by almost everyone with an open HC position.
I agree with all you said. Long story short , I cannot see Trotz being our coach next season. And if he’s not , I am not going to be pissed at Fitz for Trotz not being hired because there are plenty of reasonable reasons why he wouldn’t be .
 

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Are Backstrom, Connolly, Kuznetsov, Burakovsky, Eller and Vrana really north-south players? They're all 6 foot plus, but they're not really grinder, grit types. Typically, these are the kind of players who would be labelled as "soft" (see Tatar on the Devils - though yes I know Tatar is shorter and smaller).


Nice to see you back! Hope you're doing well
I've watched enough Caps games against NJ and in the playoffs that those players can play a structured role and be capable in the north south game more so than I see guys like Bratt, Hughes, Johnsson, Tatar, Boquist, and Shara having success at dump and chase. I don't doubt Fitz wants more north south type of players on the roster but they are obviously still a work in progress. As others have noted, Trotz probably has some more established teams interested if he even wants to coach next season. Collecting millions of dollars to play golf for fun sounds pretty appealing so maybe he takes a year off.
 

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If Trotz does come here it probably will stifle the offense a little. Any “stifling” would be the result of playing to a more structured system. When you watch Trotz coached teams, there’s an emphasis on clamping down the middle of the ice and getting in shooting lanes in the defensive zone.

Islanders definitely resorted a lot to getting the pucks to the net with traffic and looking for greasy goals. That has a lot to do with the makeup of that team.

The structure part of Trotz’s system would work. Offensively, Devils would not work well playing that get to the net with traffic game as much as Islanders did. Would definitely need to adjust the game plan in that sense, but every coach has to do that to fit his roster.

The fact that Hughes, Hischier, and Bratt already had their “breakout” so to speak means he’d have to adjust a bit to their games rather than trying to stifle them to the system. Similar to how he molded Barzal to still be an effective player even though the points dropped a bit.
 
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How many Head Coaches get moved into ASSISTANT COACH rather than fired or let go? Just isn't something that happ....OH!

alain-nasreddine-getty-120319-ftr_126q48slkql491l67on48mrj6s.jpg


That was a first.

What's another, right?

Fitz has always been an outside-the-box thinker, ya know? lol


Until he actually states it, I don't believe Ruff's staying.

guy looks like he should be selling insurance door to door
 
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