Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

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Bleedred

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I’ve been pointing this out constantly when Nichushkin gets brought up. He ain’t coming anywhere near here if Ruff is still the coach.

I remember it at the time and I also recently revisited some of the stories, just to confirm what I had seen in the past.

But some of the stuff you dug up sounds even more intense.
 

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Goodbye Expolding Suit
Though I never knew you at all
You had the face to piss us off
While those around you failed
We all clawled out eyes with knives
And drank whisky, you're to blame
They set you on the payroll
And let you run the game

And it seems to me you spent your time
Lost with out a gym
Always knowing what to devour
In the buffet line

And I wouldn't like to know you
Because I'm a dick
Your asshole burned a massive hole
In your pants that makes me sick

Losing games was tough
Left the fans in dismay
How you got the job
And pain was the price we paid
Even when they tried
Oh the fans still hounded you
All the papers had to say
Was that the team was going down

And it seems to me you spent your time
Lost with out a gym
Always knowing what to devour
In the buffet line

And I wouldn't like to know you
Because I'm a dick
Your asshole burned a massive hole
In your pants that makes me sick

Goodbye Exploing Suit
Though I never knew you at all
I has the patience to hold myself
And wait until you're gone

Goodbye Exploing Suit
From the old man in the twenty second row
Who sees you as something, like a complete moron
A garbage PP coach

And it seems to me you spent your time
Lost with out a gym
Always knowing what to devour
In the buffet line

And I wouldn't like to know you
Because I'm a dick
Your asshole burned a massive hole
In your pants that makes me sick
Your asshole burned a massive hole
In your pants that makes me sick
 
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Oof at least we won’t have to worry about Shakir with Ruff unless he somehow gets an extension. Although it’s not like there’s any evidence he’s been unfair to Shara either.
 

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Oof at least we won’t have to worry about Shakir with Ruff unless he somehow gets an extension. Although it’s not like there’s any evidence he’s been unfair to Shara either.
We should probably have Brylin be a coach wherever Mukhamadullin is playing. Granted he’s not going to help as position coach but just having a former Russian NHLer is invaluable and he clearly helped Sharangovich. (Or maybe hire someone like Sergei Gonchar.)
 

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The deal with Afinogenov is that he thought he was much, much better than he was. He never used his team mates and would always try to go 1 vs 5 every shift. He thought he was a star who should be on the 1st line and Lindy kept trying to reign him him in. It didn't really seem to have anything to do with him being Russian.

Don't know what the deal with Dmitri Kalinin was. He was always a pretty meh player, your typical 4/5/6 defenseman. Maybe he's upset because he slugged it through the rough bankruptcy years only to be leapfrogged on the depth chart after the lockout?
 

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So, Recchi and Nas will obviously be starring in the Lighthouse Part 2 with how they coached this season. The story will center around Nas slowly falling into insanity while Recchi makes them both drink kerosene even though anyone with a brain knows that kerosene is actually poisonous and not alchohol. While they are slowly going insane (even though they should be dead by the end of the first act) Nas will see illusions that portray Recchi as an actual fat penguin and Ben Lovejoy will wash up on shore where Nas will try to get him to man the penalty kill but of course Lovejoy isn't actually there. There will be allusions to the myth of sisyphus before Nas ends up staring into his own reflection in a pond like Narcissus because I don't know my Greek myths. It will be shot in sepia tones and the critics will rave. I'll accept my Oscar now @njdevils1982 and @NjDevsRR . Thanks for being part of this rewarding and brilliant motion picture.
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The deal with Afinogenov is that he thought he was much, much better than he was. He never used his team mates and would always try to go 1 vs 5 every shift. He thought he was a star who should be on the 1st line and Lindy kept trying to reign him him in. It didn't really seem to have anything to do with him being Russian.

Don't know what the deal with Dmitri Kalinin was. He was always a pretty meh player, your typical 4/5/6 defenseman. Maybe he's upset because he slugged it through the rough bankruptcy years only to be leapfrogged on the depth chart after the lockout?
I feel like you did enough here in this reply so you can stop thinking about Dmitri Kalinin (unless this is a fun off-season trivia hunt, then by all means have at it!).

I simply did a very a lazy Twitter search of “Nichushkin Ruff” and found these Tweets. I didn’t find any thing to contradict them but I did zero research beyond this.

Nichushkin had an excellent rookie season under Ruff straight out of the draft, playing 79 GP scoring 34 points, with 14 goals, in the regular season plus six PO games (1G 1A).

He unfortunately had hip surgery 5 games into his sophomore season and ended up playing 8 NHL games & 5 AHL games in the regular season.

The bitchfest break-up came next in 2015-16, in his age 20 season. He played 79 games scoring 29 points, with 9 goals, plus 10 PO games (1A).

He was scratched in 3 playoff games and maybe all 3 of those regular season games? He was 20 year old player who missed a season.



At times his ice time dropped & he played on a bottom line and he got “frustrated”.

Just to be clear, there’s zero chance Ruff had any problems with the kid. He thought he was super talented.



There’s also a very good chance that a 27 year old Nichushkin views this as water under the bridge and realizes he played quite a bit as kid right out of the draft.

He came back to Dallas when Jim Montgomery was the coach. He only played 59 games (while getting scratched a lot), “scored” 10 assists while averaging 11:55 TOI, which was 2 minutes less than he got under Ruff. He played in 1 of Dallas’ 13 playoff games and then they bought his ass out.

So Montgomery is definitely a worse coach hire if we want to woo Nuke lol. I think a heartfelt phone call from Ruff probably could patch up any lingering awkwardness. “Probably” because that’s just going by reasonable human behavior. Who the hell knows, obviously a clean slate is, uh, cleaner.

I still think we should gild the lily by getting a Russian assistant in NHL as well as having one in the AHL (either give Sarge a bigger title in the AHL or kick him upstairs and replace him down there).

Sharangovich and even Maltsev are enough to sell me on having someone can speak these kids’ language. We drafted a bunch of players out of Russia, including a signed 1st round pick and KHL scoring stud, it would behoove us to continue to find ways to make us organizationally adept at developing them.

I sort of forgot that Brylin is one of the few Russian players with 3 Stanley Cup Rings (one of four I guess? As of now lol) until Sharangovich was ohhing and ahhing over it at the exit interviews. (Not that any player wouldn’t find that legit as f***, but it would be cooler to a Russian prospect for obvious reasons and he won them all here. Because it’s awesome here, tell your friends lol.)
 
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I feel like you did enough here in this reply so you can stop thinking about Dmitri Kalinin (unless this is a fun off-season trivia hunt, then by all means have at it!).

I simply did a very a lazy Twitter search of “Nichushkin Ruff” and found these Tweets. I didn’t find any thing to contradict them but I did zero research beyond this.

Nichushkin had an excellent rookie season under Ruff straight out of the draft, playing 79 GP scoring 34 points, with 14 goals, in the regular season plus six PO games (1G 1A).

He unfortunately had hip surgery 5 games into his sophomore season and ended up playing 8 NHL games & 5 AHL games in the regular season.

The bitchfest break-up came next in 2015-16, in his age 20 season. He played 79 games scoring 29 points, with 9 goals, plus 10 PO games (1A).

He was scratched in 3 playoff games and maybe all 3 of those regular season games? He was 20 year old player who missed a season.



At times his ice time dropped & he played on a bottom line and he got “frustrated”.

Just to be clear, there’s zero chance Ruff had any problems with the kid. He thought he was super talented.



There’s also a very good chance that a 27 year old Nichushkin views this as water under the bridge and realizes he played quite a bit as kid right out of the draft.

He came back to Dallas when Jim Montgomery was the coach. He only played 59 games (while getting scratched a lot), “scored” 10 assists while averaging 11:55 TOI, which was 2 minutes less than he got under Ruff. He played in 1 of Dallas’ 13 playoff games and then they bought his ass out.

So Montgomery is definitely a worse coach hire if we want to woo Nuke lol. I think a heartfelt phone call from Ruff probably could patch up any lingering awkwardness. “Probably” because that’s just going by reasonable human behavior. Who the hell knows, obviously a clean slate is, uh, cleaner.

I still think we should gild the lily by getting a Russian assistant in NHL as well as having one in the AHL (either give Sarge a bigger title in the AHL or kick him upstairs and replace him down there).

Sharangovich and even Maltsev are enough to sell me on having someone can speak these kids’ language. We drafted a bunch of players out of Russia, including a signed 1st round pick and KHL scoring stud, it would behoove us to continue to find ways to make us organizationally adept at developing them.

I sort of forgot that Brylin is one of the few Russian players with 3 Stanley Cup Rings (one of four I guess? As of now lol) until Sharangovich was ohhing and ahhing over it at the exit interviews. (Not that any player wouldn’t find that legit as f***, but it would be cooler to a Russian prospect for obvious reasons and he won them all here. Because it’s awesome here, tell your friends lol.)

My dissertation is due next week so I'm experiencing this delirious mix of impatience, procrastination, and face-melting stress so reminiscing about early-2000 Sabres teams from my childhood is a nice vacation.

I'd argue Lindy gave Dmitri Kalinin more of a chance than he deserved, once he left Buffalo he was out of the league a year later. Even on the President's trophy team he put up fairly pedestrian numbers considering how high-octane that team was. You had the explosion of Brian Campbell after the lockout, Henrik Tallinder was on the roster and also took a step forward. Then the Sabres added Teppo Numminen (I'd argue one of the most underrated players in NHL history, easily a Hall of Very Good player and no one even remembers him), Toni Lydman, and Jaro Spacek over the next few years. You also had veteran and fan favorite Jay McKee on that roster (whose staph infection probably cost the Sabres a Cup in 2006).

I think he expected to step into Alexei Zhitnik's role after he left Buffalo but there were just too many quality bodies ahead of him on the depth chart.

Afinogenov was a 30-40 point player before the lockout, and even though the "New NHL" rules favored fast offensive players like him the majority of his increased production came on the power play (38% of his points in 2005-06 and 06-07 were on the PP). After Briere and Drury left their offense cratered and he went back to being a 40-45 point guy his last two seasons in Buffalo, which were marred by injuries.

So other than the fact that the Sabres had two underachieving Russians on the roster at the same time, I don't know where this "Lindy hates Russians" thing is coming from.

Regarding Nuke, I think a lot of young players who struggle and get disciplined by the coach tend to take it personally. I don't think Ruff hated Nuke, but I definitely believe that from Nuke's perspective he felt that he was in the right and Ruff was the one who was being unreasonable.
 

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Defenseman Dmitri Kalinin was a whole lot better at scoring points than the crappy forward Sergey Kalinin that we had. And he only even had 30 or more points in a season just once.
 
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Shero should call Fitz up and let him know keeping Ruff is probably bad for him and the team.

If the assistants were so bad, why didn’t Ruff do anything about it during the season? Either Ruff was the head of something not good or he was letting his assistants run him. Either isn’t what I’d want next season.
 
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I'm not saying he should be fired over this, but I think the jury is still out on him being such a good GM if we start next season with Ruff.

He may even be bringing Ruff back as his own shield. Maybe he feels if he fires him and we falter anyway, then the sword definitely falls on him. More than if we bring him back one last year and we falter.

I'm still not 100% convinced he's the long term GM here anyway, be it because he got stupid (this right here is stupid) and didn't fire him or because ownership just doesn't view him as that.

I really wouldn't be shocked to get on here in a month from now and see that he's no longer the GM. I'm not saying I think it will happen, just that I wouldn't be flabbergasted like I was when Shero got fired.
 
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