Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

[Forge]

Hey, general question...

What brand of tin foil makes for the best hat?

The tin foil fedora. Understated with a dash of panache

*Edit

Totally misread your post. I don't know brands of tin foil, so I'm sticking with my response

 

[Better Call Sal]

I really need to mute that Bratt Pack goof on my Twitter feed.

 

[MauDevils]

Bratt’s agent calling Novo seems significant to me too. I don’t know if that was prompted by Novo asking for an update but if it wasn’t the his agent calling to let everyone know they’ve been talking and Bratt loves being a Devil seems pretty significant to me

Didn't his agent say they haven't even talked numbers? I would consider that significant.

Also when agents or GMs speak to the media about contract discussions it usually means one side is dragging their feet. Otherwise it would just be done.

 

[Forge]

Didn't his agent say they haven't even talked numbers? I would consider that significant.

Yes, that is correct

 

[Better Call Sal]

This is the only person I will listen to in regards to this situation for the time being.

 

[Oneiro]

A Wawa background is the ultimate sign of trustworthy communication.

f*** your blockchain.

 

[MadDevil]

It's obviously bullshit. It wasn't posted in a video from Weekes' phone filmed in some random spot.

 

[Devils090]

Yeah if we trade Bratt then just move this clown show franchise to Quebec or something

 

[MadDevil]

Ryan's burner account is The Bratt Pack.

 

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Time to recycle those Bratt for Tkachuk posts!

 

[MauDevils]

I honestly can't even think of a legitimate Bratt trade that would make any sense.

I can't think of any even swaps, we don't want futures and we'll most likely end up trading the best player in any other type of deal.

 

[MasterofGrond]

It’ll get done as soon as everybody stops freaking out about it.

 

[Eggtimer]

This off-season could very well be monumental for the franchise.
Deciding what to do with pick#2 , Bratt re-signing , Holtz ‘s development or possibly trading him , Blackwood- does he stay or get traded ? If he stays , can he bounce back ? What else are we doing for goaltending ?

With Fitz saying we need to get harder to play against and Brodeur saying we are looking to add “heavier” players , where the hell do they fit in the lineup and who gets traded to make room?

I really really hope Bratt is not one of them. That would be idiotic . Yes he’s not the biggest player in the world , but he is so dynamic that is doesn’t matter his size. Its players that don’t play a “heavy“ game that need to be traded first. Zacha Johnson Tatar, they contribute about 1/8th of what Bratt does… Makes zero sense to move Bratt , even if you want to get heavier players you don’t move a dynamic play driving young stud . You support them by adding heavier players around him if anything .

I am just scared shitless that Fitz isn’t getting impatient (his own doing or pressure from ownership. Though ownership themselves said previously that they are on board for rebuilding the right way?)

This “could” turn very ugly very fast


If we ends up trading pick #2 for a shit return …. Like Miller or Fiala …
Then trade Bratt…… ( if he just flat out refuses to sign a reasonable contract )

Stick with Blackwood and add a mid level bag of shit like a Pickard or Ritich…..

Force Ty Smith into the lineup due to his draft pedigree even though he is not a good fit at all and is outplayed by one or more of Shakir Okhotyuk Bahl ….

Or potential to sign Johnny Gaudreau or Forsberg or trade Bratt for Tkachuk ….
Aghh my head is going to explode !

I honestly can't even think of a legitimate Bratt trade that would make any sense.

I can't think of any even swaps, we don't want futures and we'll most likely end up trading the best player in any other type of deal.

Bratt and a 2nd for Tkachuk

 

[Eggtimer]

ONLY way I would not be devastated if Bratt was traded ( just speaking hypothetically, not panicking yet)
would be if it’s for Tkachuk .
Tkachuk or …. something completely insane that will never happen like Bratt, Holtz , pick #2 for Draisaitl …

That and if Fitz literally exhausted every single option available to sign him and Bratt flat our refused to sign .

 

[NJDevs26]

It’ll get done as soon as everybody stops freaking out about it.

In other words never

 

[NJDevs26]

It does give me pause this is coming from Weekes, I’m not gonna lie. I don’t necessarily believe squat that Bratt’s agent tells Ryan because the agent is going to play the PR game if necessary.

And we don’t really know who the main heavy was in that holdout two years ago because we don’t know what either side truly wanted, but there is always a possibility this negotiation could go sideways given what happened two years ago.

That’s just pure clickbait crap from Weekes. How is he defining “significant contract talks”? And obviously teams are interested in him. Giant nothingburger

Yet everyone took BrattPack and Devils Insiders’ speculation as a somethingburger, but a reputable guy who clearly has sources in the organization is a nothingburger

 

[SKNJD9]

The stars are aligning. Bratt + to Cgy for Tkachuk. Gaudreau in FA. Gaudreau-Hughes-Tkachuk

 

[MauDevils]

Bratt and a 2nd for Tkachuk

That's the only one I thought about as well, but we get arguably worse and Calgary has to pay Bratt...which is the reason they would be trading Tkachuk.

So it doesn't make sense for either side.

 

[FinnishDevil]

I feel like we are not used to this since we havent had good or great young players reach RFA status in awhile since both Nico and Jack signed early, but this is bunch of nothing until theres a quote from Jesper and/or his agent that he doesnt want to stay in Jersey. Until then its clickbaits for the writers (it works) and possibly Bratt's camp throwing some fuel in the fire to speed up talks with zero intentions not to sign.

 

[NJDevs26]

I feel like we are not used to this since we havent had good or great young players reach RFA status in awhile since both Nico and Jack signed early, but this is bunch of nothing until theres a quote from Jesper and/or his agent that he doesnt want to stay in Jersey. Until then its clickbaits for the writers (it works) and possibly Bratt's camp throwing some fuel in the fire to speed up talks with zero intentions not to sign.

Of course they’re gonna say they want to stay in Jersey, it serves no purpose to be the main heavy publicly…doesn’t mean they don’t want to get paid. If (for example) they want 8.5-9 million and management is offering 6.5-7, get ready for a long summer

Didn't his agent say they haven't even talked numbers? I would consider that significant.

Also when agents or GMs speak to the media about contract discussions it usually means one side is dragging their feet. Otherwise it would just be done.

Yeah this is starting to smell like the Hall negotiations, we’re talking but not discussing numbers. That usually means both sides already know what the other wants and are just checking in to see if either is ready to bend (whether it’s money, years or both).

 

[FinnishDevil]

Of course they’re gonna say they want to stay in Jersey…doesn’t mean they don’t want to get paid. If (for example) they want 8.5-9 million and management is offering 6.5-7, get ready for a long summer

But they should want to get paid. And NJ should want to squeeze in any sort of discount we can. So its a negotiation like any other but other than that I dont see whats the big deal. If both the player and club want the same thing they'll come to the conclusion sooner or later, it doesnt mean that Bratt is gonna get traded in few weeks, months or at all.

Every young player wants to get paid after a good season and every GM wants to save money as much as they can. Thats still a long way to serious trade talks or burning bridges or anything. Even less likely cause this is about a star player who could be a superstar and not "we think youre a 2.5 million player and not 4 million player" kinda deal.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Yet everyone took BrattPack and Devils Insiders’ speculation as a somethingburger, but a reputable guy who clearly has sources in the organization is a nothingburger

The content of his reporting is almost quite literally nothing. He isn’t saying anything. “Teams are interested in trading” for Bratt. Okay. This is true of all good young players. I don’t know what significant means. They have talked, that has been confirmed.

 

[Devs3cups]

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[NJDevs26]

But they should want to get paid. And NJ should want to squeeze in any sort of discount we can. So its a negotiation like any other but other than that I dont see whats the big deal. If both the player and club want the same thing they'll come to the conclusion sooner or later, it doesnt mean that Bratt is gonna get traded in few weeks, months or at all.

Every young player wants to get paid after a good season and every GM wants to save money as much as they can. Thats still a long way to serious trade talks or burning bridges or anything. Even less likely cause this is about a star player who could be a superstar and not "we think youre a 2.5 million player and not 4 million player" kinda deal.

Well the difference is the last time there was a negotiation with these two parties, it became a holdout that extended into the season. Betting on this negotiation to be easy peasy is like betting on easy CBA negotiations with Count Gary (before 2020 anyway), especially now when Bratt has major leverage that he didn’t two years ago.

 

[FinnishDevil]

Well the difference is the last time there was a negotiation with these two parties, it became a holdout that extended into the season. Betting on this negotiation to be easy peasy is like betting on easy CBA negotiations with Count Gary (before 2020 anyway), especially now that Bratt has major leverage that he didn’t two years ago.

Yeah I was gonna say in my first post that when he first got signed and held out for a bit, he wasnt good or great yet. I did remember it, but wasnt that with Shero though? I might be mistaking. Was both Nico&Bratt contracts signed by the same person?

Anyway, I think it comes down to how much Fitz likes him. How highly he thinks off him, how important piece of the core etc. He was ready to throw 8x8 at Jack for doing absolutely nothing prior signing. Him, his team, analytics groups etc. believed in Jack and now its honestly the same thing with Jesper.

I do think this being easy contract and it totally escalating into Fitz shopping him to other teams are quite far apart though. If this same thing is going on at training camp, then we can get worried but for now I wouldnt lose my sleep over it.

Edit: checked it and Nico was Shero and Bratt was Fitz.